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Old 08-22-2007, 06:45 PM   #16
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I do not think that Michael Jordan at 6'5

Jordan was 6'6", basically the same height as Kobe give or take a quarter inch.

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Are you talking about today's league?
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Old 08-22-2007, 07:29 PM   #17
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Jordan was the CPOY when he left. With his athleticism, the accolades, and the unforgettable shot against G-Town, I think most people would've projeted him to go where he went.
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Old 08-22-2007, 07:38 PM   #18
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great topic - lets reflect on Sam Bowie now.....
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Old 08-22-2007, 07:57 PM   #19
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Jordan was 6'6", basically the same height as Kobe give or take a quarter inch.





Are you talking about today's league?

I think he's around 6'4...
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Old 08-22-2007, 08:05 PM   #20
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No way. Jorddan would not be rated under Corey Brewer.

Seriously Not to mention Wade was the 5th pick at 6-4.
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Old 08-22-2007, 08:20 PM   #21
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Far too many of you can not separate the "finished product Mike" from the "starting point Mike".

When he came to the NBA in 1984 Mike was a phenominal athlete with an excellent mid-range game and superb skill in the open court. He also showed signs of being a very good defender and had ability to play off the ball.

The flipside was he didn't go left very well and couldn't make shots past 17 feet. He was also 21 years old so he would be looked at as a mostly finished product. He was also 6'6" 185 so by current standards he'd be viewed as weak/thin.

Mike from UNC would be viewed similar to a guy like Rodney Carney. Can improve due to athleticism but won't get better by leaps and bounds due to age.

Just like Carney, Jordan wouldn't be a guaranteed top 10 guy. He's be one of those guys that either goes top 10 or in the mid teens.

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Old 08-22-2007, 09:29 PM   #22
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Far too many of you can not separate the "finished product Mike" from the "starting point Mike".

When he came to the NBA in 1984 Mike was a phenominal athlete with an excellent mid-range game and superb skill in the open court. He also showed signs of being a very good defender and had ability to play off the ball.

The flipside was he didn't go left very well and couldn't make shots past 17 feet. He was also 21 years old so he would be looked at as a mostly finished product. He was also 6'6" 185 so by current standards he'd be viewed as weak/thin.

Mike from UNC would be viewed similar to a guy like Rodney Carney. Can improve due to athleticism but won't get better by leaps and bounds due to age.

Just like Carney, Jordan wouldn't be a guaranteed top 10 guy. He's be one of those guys that either goes top 10 or in the mid teens.


But his tourney success would put him higher and Rodney Carney wasn't a Naismith award winner....Mj was getting a lot of hype he's more like Wade than Carney.
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Old 08-22-2007, 09:33 PM   #23
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Jordan would be top 2 or 3 in any draft. Everyone knew he would be a star, and he was expected to go number 1 or 2. Obviously no one knew he would be the greatest.
But this top 10 talk is BS.

He won both the Wooden and Naismith player of the year awards. He was a athletic and skilled prodigy. Read quotes from coaches/players/observers after the olympics in 84 and after/during that season.

His hype would match any player taken in the last 20 years (bar Lebron perhaps) had the media scrutiny been the same back then.
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I think he's around 6'4...

It doesn't really matter what you "think." If Jordan is 6'4", then Kobe is 6'4.5" at best. They're roughly the same height.
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Does anyone have Jordan's college stats, or know where to get them?
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Old 08-23-2007, 08:38 AM   #26
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Far too many of you can not separate the "finished product Mike" from the "starting point Mike".

When he came to the NBA in 1984 Mike was a phenominal athlete with an excellent mid-range game and superb skill in the open court. He also showed signs of being a very good defender and had ability to play off the ball.

The flipside was he didn't go left very well and couldn't make shots past 17 feet. He was also 21 years old so he would be looked at as a mostly finished product. He was also 6'6" 185 so by current standards he'd be viewed as weak/thin.

Mike from UNC would be viewed similar to a guy like Rodney Carney. Can improve due to athleticism but won't get better by leaps and bounds due to age.

Just like Carney, Jordan wouldn't be a guaranteed top 10 guy. He's be one of those guys that either goes top 10 or in the mid teens.

Your comparing Jordan to Carney? After several people already brought up Wade who plays closer to Jordan than any other swingman we've seen post Jordan, thats the best you can do? I mean granted it was a nice thought and started a good conversation but a college player of the year, with his athleticism, and the lingering memory of the shot he drained versus Georgetown and you cant tell me you see him going out of the top 5.

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Old 08-23-2007, 10:51 AM   #27
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First, Dwyane Wade was not a top 10 lock. You guys are using revisionist history. No one had Miami picking Wade at 5. It wasn't considered a huge reach but it was a bit of a surprise. Majority of the “experts”, analyst, and random mocks had Wade either going to Washington at 10, Golden State at 11, or Orlando at 15. So let’s stop pretending Wade was a guaranteed top 5 guy. Wade’s going #5 was like Jeff Green going fifth this year. A shock but no one makes an issue of it.

Second, I did not compare Rodney Carney’s ability/game to that of a 21 year old Michael Jordan. I compared the perception of the two which would have been very similar. Phenomenal athletes with good starting point in terms of skill-set but limited upside due to age.

Yes, Michael was a Player of the Year. Yes, he hit a big (although way over-rated by the public and media) shot against Georgetown. None of that changes the fact that he would be considered thin and lacked range on his shot.

Third, I never said Michael had no shot at being in the top 10. In post #21 I clearly state,

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Just like Carney, Jordan wouldn't be a guaranteed top 10 guy. He's be one of those guys that either goes top 10 or in the mid teens.

Fourth and final, Andrea Bargnani would in fact have been drafted over Mike. Current draft trends should make it obvious. Bargnani was a 20 year old 6’11” 230 lbs Italian PF with legit NBA 3-point range, excellent passing skills, and a developing post game.

21 year old American SG's rarely get drafted ahead of players like Bargnani anymore.
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Old 08-23-2007, 11:05 AM   #29
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king, i think what you're running into here is that you are asking a "what if jordan was magically transmitted to our era as he was in 84" question and it's hard for people to picture that. i have trouble. i mean, without jordan having played already nobody would worry about him being too skinny because weight lifting for guards wasn't in vogue.

conversely if this is a "similar to jordan" individual then he would have started hitting the weights in high school or junior high because he'd have real jordan's example just like everybody else. he would also probably have a better jumper and more complete offensive game simply because he'd know, from the jordan example that guides young swingmen today, what skills he'd need to develop at an earlier level of his development. and there's a good chance that if all those things changed early enough, he would never last until his junior year, so his age might not be a factor either.

i do agree with you concerning the hypothetical sort of out of context "what if" question. if you had exactly the 84 jordan coming into the league in 07, he would not be as highly thought of as he was in his time.
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If Jordan actually entered the 2003 NBA Draft, I cannot see him topping Lebron James as the no.1 overall pick in that draft class. Lebron is probably one of the best HS player of all time and he is hype since he was barely 15 yrs.old.

Being a 21 yrs.old Rookie Michael Jordan will probably ended up as the 3rd or 4th overall pick of the draft class due to the fact that current GM's pick a much younger, taller and athletic player in the Draft Lottery.


Jordan's eyes are closed in that picture so he isnt looking down at the future.
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