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Old 08-23-2007, 02:04 PM   #1
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Default International bball - more physical than the NBA?

If not yet, it's bound to happen anytime soon. FU Stern.

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Old 08-23-2007, 02:06 PM   #2
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Default Re: International bball - more phsyical than the NBA?

its way more physical and a lot more fun to watch imo...
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Old 08-23-2007, 02:07 PM   #3
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Default Re: International bball - more phsyical than the NBA?

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If not yet, it's bound to happen anytime soon. FU Stern.

it's been more physical for years. Its even more apparent this day and age with the superstar rules, banning of handchecking, the charge circle, and ticky tack fouls of the modern NBA. On usabasketball.com, they interviewed 8 current Team USA players and everybody talked about how FIBA allows so much more contact both in the post and out on the perimeter, as well as how much they had to adjust to it..
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Default Re: International bball - more physical than the NBA?

i don't watch a lot of fiba / international ball, but what i've seen in the last few years has been much more physical. on top of which the officiating is very uneven / inconsistant so i get the feeling that players get away with a lot of stuff that is actually outside the rules.

i don't know if i'd say it's better to watch, but i do enjoy the differences. i think it's more of a thinkers' league and less of an athlete's league, and i think both are fun to watch. i wouldn't want the nba to switch 100% to those rules, but i don't think there's any reason for fiba teams to adopt nba rules either.
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Old 08-23-2007, 02:15 PM   #5
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Default Re: International bball - more physical than the NBA?

Kobe would have been fouled out in the first quarter if it was NBA rules. That says alot.
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Old 08-23-2007, 02:22 PM   #6
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Kobe would have been fouled out in the first quarter if it was NBA rules. That says alot.
Yeah, that's probably true...Kobe was working his ass off though.
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Old 08-23-2007, 02:34 PM   #7
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Default Re: International bball - more physical than the NBA?

i like a more physical game

i liked it when the nba allowed hand checking and there werent as many rules trying to control the inherent physical play of the guys

i do like the international rules better than the nba rule as it stands right now
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Old 08-23-2007, 02:50 PM   #8
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Default Re: International bball - more physical than the NBA?

It's not really "more physical". It's roughly the same but the real difference is the officiating. I personally think it's due to most foreign countries being being "soccer countries" first.

In soccer refs have the advantage rule. If a foul occurs in a soccer game but it doesn't really stop the attackers flow and calling the foul would actually kill the attacking flow the foul isn't called immediately. Refs call "advantage" and play continues unless the defense fouls again or the defense makes a stop due to the advantage call. If the attack is able to get a shot or turns the ball over no foul is called.

FIBA refs seem to take the same approach. If an offensive player gets fouled but it doesn't stop him from attacking then they swallow the whistle. They only rush to call fouls that really stop an offensive player's progress.

That's why "and one fouls" in international play happen so rarely compared to the NBA.
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Old 08-23-2007, 06:36 PM   #9
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Default Re: International bball - more physical than the NBA?

That is not entirely true.
"And One" plays happen not as often due to a different interpretation of what is called "continuation". Basically, if a player has picked up his dribble and is attempting a shot or a layup, any foul will be a shooting foul in the NBA. That results in "shooting fouls" were the foul might occur at the 3pt line and the shot taken is a layup.
In international ball, the interpretation is different. More often than not, a shooting foul is only called once the players has left his feet to take a shot/layup.

Generally, perimeter defense is more physical in international ball, post defense is more physical in NBA play. Especially contact with the body on otherwise clean blocks is called way less in NBA play. The cleanest of all blocks might be called a foul, if only the slightest body contact happens afterwards. Thats due to bad refs mostly, that dont understand the concept of a players space, his "cylinder" that he is entitled to.
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Old 08-23-2007, 06:45 PM   #10
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Default Re: International bball - more physical than the NBA?

Remember, more contact means more fouls and less field goals. I thought fans wanted to see high scoring games.
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Default Re: International bball - more physical than the NBA?

There's a reason why our NBA superstars drive the lane in international ball and stare at the refs, flabbergasted, with every no call. Sorry son, nobody's bailing you out here.
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Default Re: International bball - more physical than the NBA?

since 2003, tennis has been more physical than the NBA.
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Old 08-23-2007, 07:34 PM   #13
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Default Re: International bball - more physical than the NBA?

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Remember, more contact means more fouls and less field goals. I thought fans wanted to see high scoring games.

They want to see high scoring games,that`s true. But Basketball is always high scoring, 10 points more per game doesn´t replace the loss of physical play.
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Old 08-23-2007, 08:29 PM   #14
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They want to see high scoring games,that`s true. But Basketball is always high scoring, 10 points more per game doesn´t replace the loss of physical play.


With less physical play, you're more likely to see fast breaks and highlight plays a la the Suns.
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Default Re: International bball - more physical than the NBA?

I pretty much agree totally with Juvenille's post.

I do think that post defense remains more physical in the american game. I think it's mostly due to the nature of the game because of the court configurations. The shorter three point line makes high post play out of bigs that much more threatening, and the trapazoid lane makes cutting bigs and cutting off of bigs more efficient then the traditional american post game, where closer position can be established to get off more jumphooks and the like. The zone hurts that positioning too.

I don't get the notion that zones and hand checking slow the game down and cut back on excitement. Most of the "fun" stuff in basketball takes place after turnovers, and by outlawing perimeter contact, and emptying the lane in half court defenses, on ball turnovers are reduced. Personally, my favorite action on court is multiple passes. Like the Carmelo to Lebron to Kobe play last night. I don't particularly care weather the finish is a dunk or a layup, I've always been more interested in the set up. The slop that led to that broken play was a great look from Lebron that Dwight Howard didn't catch. That's the type of stuff I like.

Personally, I'd like the international rules on the NBA court, minus the live ball on the rim rule. And an extra ref would help.
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