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Old 08-25-2007, 01:22 PM   #1
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#62 - Joe Dumars. “Joe D” is what they called him in Detroit. He and Isiah Thomas formed one of the deadliest backcourts of the late 80’s and early 90’s. He was one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all-time playing some of the games best at big times including Clyde Drexler, Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan. He made 5 All-D teams for his efforts. He could also shoot the lights out if need be.

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ISH 100 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time
1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Jerry West
12. Julius Erving
13. Moses Malone
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Bob Pettit
16. John Havlicek
17. Karl Malone
18. George Mikan
19. David Robinson
20. Isiah Thomas
21. Charles Barkley
22. John Stockton
23. Bob Cousy
24. Kobe Bryant
25. Rick Barry
26. Scottie Pippen
27. Clyde Drexler
28. Gary Payton
29. Willis Reed
30. Patrick Ewing
31. Allen Iverson
32. Walt Frazier
33. Elvin Hayes
34. George Gervin
35. Jason Kidd
36. Dave Cowens
37. Kevin Garnett
38. Bob McAdoo
39. Nate Thurmond
40. Wes Unseld
41. Kevin McHale
42. Dolph Schayes
43. Dominique Wilkins
44. Bill Walton
45. Sam Jones
46. Kevin Johnson
47. Dennis Rodman
48. Dirk Nowitzki
49. Steve Nash
50. Billy Cunningham
51. Nate 'Tiny' Archibald
52. 'Pistol' Pete Maravich
53. Tracy McGrady
54. Hal Greer
55. Jerry Lucas
56. Robert Parish
57. Earl 'the Pearl' Monroe
58. Bernard King
59. Artis Gilmore
60. Alex English
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61. James Worthy
62. Joe Dumars

Players to consider:
Paul Arizin
Dave Bing
Adrian Dantley
Dave DeBusschere
Connie Hawkins
Dennis Johnson
Bob Lanier
Reggie Miller
Sidney Moncrief
David Thompson


#62 Greatest Player Voting
Joe Dumars = 6 votes
Bill Sharman = 4 votes
Reggie Miller = 2 votes
David Thompson = 2 votes
Sidney Moncrief = 1 vote
Adrian Dantley = 1 vote
Bob Lanier = 1 vote
Dennis Johnson = 1 vote
Dave DeBusschere = 1 vote
Dikembe Mutombo = 1 vote
Vince Carter = 1 vote


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Old 08-25-2007, 01:30 PM   #2
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Did anybody even give any reasoning for Joe Dumars. There really isn't a good arguement to put him over Moncrief and Dennis Johnson, two similar players, who played in roughly the same era, and were better than Dumars.

I'm voting for Sidney Moncrief again.

Sidney Moncrief may be the most underrated player of all-time. Moncrief was possibly the greatest man-to-man defender of all-time, better than Bobby Jones, better than Pippen, etc. He wasn't just a one-trick pony though, he was one of the most well rounded guards of all-time. Infact, the Milwaukee Bucks honored his versatility by placing him on a Buck's media guide cover dressed as Superman.

Moncrief had modest scoring averages(22.5 ppg career high), however, he was one of the most effiecient scoring guards of all-time(career ts% of .590) as his ranking of 25th all-time in true shooting percentage shows us. His scoring was even more remarkable considering how poor of an outside shooter he was. He averaged just twelve 3-point field goals a season, but still had five 20ppg seasons.

Moncrief was also a great playmaker, and ran Milwaukee's offense along with Van Lier/Hodges, and to an extent Paul Pressey. His assist averages are also modest, but with so many great playmakers on the floor, and Moncrief being the first scoring option, he wasn't expected to be the main distributor.

Another one of Moncrief's strengths is his rebounding. Possibly the best 6'3 rebounder of all-time, as his career high of 2.8 offensive rebounds, and career high 6.7 total rebounds demonstrate.

Moncrief's main strength was obviously his world class defence. Sidney was only listed at 6'3", and weighed just 180 pounds. However, Moncrief was as quick as hell, and even though he was thin, he was still stronger than many of the players he guarded(also had a 36 inch vert). Those two traits allowed him to keep up with anybody on the floor, just ask Michael Jordan. Here's a quote from MJ about Moncrief's defense...
"When you play against Moncrief, you're in for a night of all-around basketball. He'll hound you everywhere you go, both ends of the court. You just expect it."
-Michael Jordan
Not only was Moncrief possibly the greatest perimeter defender of all-time, his strength allowed him to bang inside with guys much large than him. A popular myth among Moncrief fans is that the NBA invented the defensive player of the year award so that they could give an award to Moncrief, who was one of the most liked, hardest-working players in the NBA. Looking at his stats, it's a bit of a stretch to put him here, but he had all the intangibles a coach could ask for. Not only was he a terrific defender, but he was a great leader and motivator, and was undisputedly the captain of the 80's Bucks' eams.

Some of Moncrief's NBA achievements include...
2 Time Defensive Player of the Year
5 Time All-NBA team
5 Time All-star
4 Time All-Defensive First Team, 1 2nd team
4th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 7th in MVP voting.

The only knocks on Moncrief is he never won a ring, and he had a short career. Moncrief never won a ring because of Larry Bird and the Celtics eiminating the Bucks time after time. His short career can also be contributed
to a chronic knee injury and a variety of other nagging injuries.

Moncrief was also conspicuously absent from both the NBA's top 50 player's alltime, and slam magazines top 75. However, him not being on the top 50 players was highly debatable, and Moncrief had a much better career than about a third of Slam's list, further showing how underappreciated he is.
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Bill Sharman-Height: 6-1
Weight: 190 lbs.
Honors: Elected to Basketball Hall of Fame (Player 1976, Coach 2004); NBA Champion (1957, '59-'61); All NBA First Team (1956-'59); All NBA Second Team (1953, '55, '60); 8-time NBA All-Star (1953-'60); NBA All-Star MVP (1955); NBA 25th Anniversary Team (1970); One of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996).
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Did anybody even give any reasoning for Joe Dumars. There really isn't a good arguement to put him over Moncrief and Dennis Johnson, two similar players, who played in roughly the same era, and were better than Dumars.

I'm voting for Sidney Moncrief again.

Sidney Moncrief may be the most underrated player of all-time. Moncrief was possibly the greatest man-to-man defender of all-time, better than Bobby Jones, better than Pippen, etc. He wasn't just a one-trick pony though, he was one of the most well rounded guards of all-time. Infact, the Milwaukee Bucks honored his versatility by placing him on a Buck's media guide cover dressed as Superman.

Moncrief had modest scoring averages(22.5 ppg career high), however, he was one of the most effiecient scoring guards of all-time(career ts% of .590) as his ranking of 25th all-time in true shooting percentage shows us. His scoring was even more remarkable considering how poor of an outside shooter he was. He averaged just twelve 3-point field goals a season, but still had five 20ppg seasons.

Moncrief was also a great playmaker, and ran Milwaukee's offense along with Van Lier/Hodges, and to an extent Paul Pressey. His assist averages are also modest, but with so many great playmakers on the floor, and Moncrief being the first scoring option, he wasn't expected to be the main distributor.

Another one of Moncrief's strengths is his rebounding. Possibly the best 6'3 rebounder of all-time, as his career high of 2.8 offensive rebounds, and career high 6.7 total rebounds demonstrate.

Moncrief's main strength was obviously his world class defence. Sidney was only listed at 6'3", and weighed just 180 pounds. However, Moncrief was as quick as hell, and even though he was thin, he was still stronger than many of the players he guarded(also had a 36 inch vert). Those two traits allowed him to keep up with anybody on the floor, just ask Michael Jordan. Here's a quote from MJ about Moncrief's defense...
"When you play against Moncrief, you're in for a night of all-around basketball. He'll hound you everywhere you go, both ends of the court. You just expect it."
-Michael Jordan
Not only was Moncrief possibly the greatest perimeter defender of all-time, his strength allowed him to bang inside with guys much large than him. A popular myth among Moncrief fans is that the NBA invented the defensive player of the year award so that they could give an award to Moncrief, who was one of the most liked, hardest-working players in the NBA. Looking at his stats, it's a bit of a stretch to put him here, but he had all the intangibles a coach could ask for. Not only was he a terrific defender, but he was a great leader and motivator, and was undisputedly the captain of the 80's Bucks' eams.

Some of Moncrief's NBA achievements include...
2 Time Defensive Player of the Year
5 Time All-NBA team
5 Time All-star
4 Time All-Defensive First Team, 1 2nd team
4th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 7th in MVP voting.

The only knocks on Moncrief is he never won a ring, and he had a short career. Moncrief never won a ring because of Larry Bird and the Celtics eiminating the Bucks time after time. His short career can also be contributed
to a chronic knee injury and a variety of other nagging injuries.

Moncrief was also conspicuously absent from both the NBA's top 50 player's alltime, and slam magazines top 75. However, him not being on the top 50 players was highly debatable, and Moncrief had a much better career than about a third of Slam's list, further showing how underappreciated he is.
I'd take both DJ and Sid over Dumars. I think they were just better players then Joe Dumars.
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No offense to Bill Sharman, as I think he is probally the second best left from the 1950. The best is the late great "Pitchin" Paul Arizin.


-He has 10 All-Star games
-3 All NBA 1st teams and another 2nd
-Led the league in scoring twice in 52 and 57.
-Career high in points in 26.4
-All Star game MVP
-NBA Champion


He missed two whhole season do to being drafted. Came back and won a title. Also, along with Joe Fulks made the jump-shot a regular move and was known as one of the game's first great leapers.
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I like this thread, and overall the list has turned out quite nice. But I must moan about something.....

It's a grime ranking Artis Gilmore that low!!!!!, and below e.g. Rovert Parish. Why players who started at ABA are always underrated? On average ABA teams were better than the NBA teams when the leagues merged, ABA WASN'T WEAK!!

Gilmore was a regular season MVP, a finals MVP, 6 time All-first teamer, 4 time all-defensive teamer, 11 time all star (aba and nba combined), all star mvp (ok, that doesnt mean anything), rookie of the year, 3rd all time shot-blocker (nba/aba combined), 5th all time rebounder (combined), 18th all time scorer (combined), all time no 1 FG %, one of the best defenders ever...

And as a college player all time leader in division one RPG.

If he played his whole career in NBA, he would be an all-time top 25 player.
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I like this thread, and overall the list has turned out quite nice. But I must moan about something.....

It's a grime ranking Artis Gilmore that low!!!!!, and below e.g. Rovert Parish. Why players who started at ABA are always underrated? On average ABA teams were better than the NBA teams when the leagues merged, ABA WASN'T WEAK!!

Gilmore was a regular season MVP, a finals MVP, 6 time All-first teamer, 4 time all-defensive teamer, 11 time all star (aba and nba combined), all star mvp (ok, that doesnt mean anything), rookie of the year, 3rd all time shot-blocker (nba/aba combined), 5th all time rebounder (combined), 18th all time scorer (combined), all time no 1 FG %, one of the best defenders ever...

And as a college player all time leader in division one RPG.

If he played his whole career in NBA, he would be an all-time top 25 player.
Artis should have been a tad bit higher but I don't know about a top 25 player all-time. It wouls till depend on what team he landed on.
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how can u go thrw 60 players and not have lebron on that list
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