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Old 08-27-2007, 11:49 AM   #16
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Default Re: What can Team USA do in order to be mentioned them in the breath as Dream Team '92?

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Winning gold at the Olympics would be a start.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. You can compare talent all you want but this current team isn't sh!t unless they win.
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:08 PM   #17
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Default Re: What can Team USA do in order to be mentioned them in the breath as Dream Team '9

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C'mon man, stop drinking the nostalgic kool-aid.

Kobe at 28, LeBron at 22, Melo at 22 > Jordan at 30, Magic at 31 and retired, and Bird with a bad back

Now please, can we have an informed conversation without people automatically dismissing the players of this current generation?


Too bad 30 year old Jordan was still better than 28 year old Kobe, or 22 year old Lebron. And Magic one year removed from the game is still a better player than Chauncey Billups, Deron Williams... and isn't Kidd right now older than Magic was in 92?
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:29 PM   #18
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Default Re: What can Team USA do in order to be mentioned them in the breath as Dream Team '92?

Bring in Shaq, KG, and Duncan and then we can start making comparisons.
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:31 PM   #19
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Default Re: What can Team USA do in order to be mentioned them in the breath as Dream Team '92?

I'm curious what people think about the International talent level from 1992 and from today. How do they compare? Would you guys say that a full strength Argentine squad from today would beat the best International team from 1992? Would it be close?

This USA team has been dominating the (relatively weak) competition, so it's a tough comparison to make. That '92 team is a tall order for absolutely anything (not just basketball) to be compared to, so we can't get ahead of ourselves, but at the same time, was the talent level all that different? I have a hard time believing that that USA team was 2-3 levels ahead of today's team, as some people appear to be implying.

Using past US teams (meaning the last few disappointing teams) as an argument doesn't really work in my eyes, considering the difference in team personelle. It's not huge, but it's more than enough to make a pretty solid difference, mainly with the additions of Kobe and Kidd. Throw those two guys on last year's team and you get more leadership, more defense, more scoring, more outside shooting. This team also appears to be built a little better than previous years, simply because Team USA is learning from past mistakes. Getting bullied inside, lacking outside shooting, etc.

I'm just not sure it's such an open and shut case. As virtually none of those original dream teamers have played against today's Team USA players while both were in their primes, it's difficult to compare the teams on paper (not that it would be any easier even if the players from both teams has played in the same era). I think one of the fairer ways to look at it is skill level of the competition and dominance over the competition. I'm not sure if any international teams back then were on the level that Argentina, amongst others, are on now. If today's team USA were to obliterate all of the copmetition (with everyone at full health), would it still seem inconcievable that they are on the same level as, if not better than, the original dream team?

It almost seems as if even if that were to happen, it would be ignored by older (and even younger) fans, because there's no way any team could be better than Jordan, Barkley, Malone, Magic, Larry, Isiah, etc. And that, IMO at least, just isn't true.
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:34 PM   #20
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Default Re: What can Team USA do in order to be mentioned them in the breath as Dream Team '92?

On the Perimeter, the current USA Squad is just as good, if not better.

However... David Robinson > All of our bigmen, combined.
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:38 PM   #21
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ridonks - the croatian, lithuanian and german teams were very strong, but nobody in the tournament of americas then or now were on a level where it would help very much to compare. overall i'd say the international teams that made the olympics weren't as good as we'll see in 2008, but those eastern euro teams were very solid, so we might not be able to make a comparison using competition level until the later round of the 2008 games.
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On the Perimeter, the current USA Squad is just as good, if not better.



how do you come to that conclusion when prime Jordan is significantly better than Kobe, Melo or Bron?
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:05 PM   #23
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Most of the players on this team already played for a team USA and lost, that is won the bronze, some of them twice like Melo, LeBron and Wade. And you compare them to the greatest ever.

Not really arguing with your stance. But in fairness to the people arguing for this years team, they did add 2 hall of famers.
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Default Re: What can Team USA do in order to be mentioned them in the breath as Dream Team '9

Jordan is Jordan... but significantly better then kobe?

significant is describing the difference between Duncan and Juwan Howard.

there's no significant difference between Jordan and Kobe. Jordan is better, but throw in Melo, Bron, Kidd and you got an incredible perimeter of hall of famers. And dont forget Wade is still out. This current USA Squad is as sick as it can get without having Shaq/KG/ Duncan.
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:09 PM   #25
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Default Re: What can Team USA do in order to be mentioned them in the breath as Dream Team '9

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Jordan is Jordan... but significantly better then kobe?

significant is describing the difference between Duncan and Juwan Howard.

there's no significant difference between Jordan and Kobe. Jordan is better, but throw in Melo, Bron, Kidd and you got an incredible perimeter of hall of famers. And dont forget Wade is still out. This current USA Squad is as sick as it can get without having Shaq/KG/ Duncan.

How about Jordan+Stockton+Pippen+Magic, not to mention subbing Drexler in. It's difficult to gauge which perimeter players were better for the two teams.
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:12 PM   #26
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but dis teem has LEBRONZE!

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In 2007 LeBron James collaborated and helped release an album with Young Buck and Whoo Kid. He is featured in many of the skits, preludes and interludes. He does not rap though. The album is called G-Unit Radio 24: Clean Up Man.

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Old 08-27-2007, 01:13 PM   #27
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It's difficult to gauge which perimeter players were better for the two teams.

I agree, but its definately arguable.

I stick by my first statement. If we had Shaq, KG, and Duncan, we'd be just as dominant (maybe more) as the original Dream Team.
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:14 PM   #28
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Default Re: What can Team USA do in order to be mentioned them in the breath as Dream Team '9

Some of you are acting as if it's blasphemous to even mention these two in the same sentence, let alone the same breath, and that is simply wrong. What would this team have to do in order to be recognized with the '92 Dream Team? Win a gold medal. Simple as that. After years of failure, if this team were to get 1st place it would be considered an all-time great by a lot of casual fans' standards. The '92 team was no doubt better, but it's sickening how some of you are acting as if there is a mile between them. Add KG and Duncan? It gets even closer.
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:18 PM   #29
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ridonks - the croatian, lithuanian and german teams were very strong, but nobody in the tournament of americas then or now were on a level where it would help very much to compare. overall i'd say the international teams that made the olympics weren't as good as we'll see in 2008, but those eastern euro teams were very solid, so we might not be able to make a comparison using competition level until the later round of the 2008 games.
I suppose we will have to wait to see how his USA team does against full strength international teams at the olympics. The teams they're playing now don't really serve well in any sort of comparison.
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Because Jordan is one player and Kobe, Melo, and Bron are three? Not that I am arguing one way or another.
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:51 PM   #30
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Default Re: What can Team USA do in order to be mentioned them in the breath as Dream Team '92?

The Dream Team were, despite all being superstars, with the exception of one Duke player of the year, they were still a great TEAM. Today's USA team have role players like Prince, Miller, Chandler and even Redd, specifically put on the team to do a certain role. The Dream Team had superstars as the their role players. IMO todays USA team is a very good team, and remind me alot of the ballhawk style the dream team played, however the skill and talent level dont match the dream team
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