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Old 08-28-2007, 11:52 AM   #1
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Default Official #65 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH

#64 - Reggie Miller. Reggie Miller is one of the greatest (if not the greatest) shooters ever. To go along with that he is one of the clutches ever. If you were playing Indiana, you didn’t want Reggie with the bal in his hands with 5 seconds left. Reggie also had good regular seasons, but when playoff time came, he was a different player. He would drive more, pass more, defend more and he would shoot more. Reggie made 5 All-Star games, 3 All-NBA teams and won 2 Gold Medals in his career.

| PPG 18.2 | RPG 3 | APG 3 | SPG 1.1 |
5 NBA All-Star Games
3 All-NBA Teams
All-Time 3 Point Leader
NBA Finals Appearance






ISH 100 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time
1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Jerry West
12. Julius Erving
13. Moses Malone
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Bob Pettit
16. John Havlicek
17. Karl Malone
18. George Mikan
19. David Robinson
20. Isiah Thomas
21. Charles Barkley
22. John Stockton
23. Bob Cousy
24. Kobe Bryant
25. Rick Barry
26. Scottie Pippen
27. Clyde Drexler
28. Gary Payton
29. Willis Reed
30. Patrick Ewing
31. Allen Iverson
32. Walt Frazier
33. Elvin Hayes
34. George Gervin
35. Jason Kidd
36. Dave Cowens
37. Kevin Garnett
38. Bob McAdoo
39. Nate Thurmond
40. Wes Unseld
41. Kevin McHale
42. Dolph Schayes
43. Dominique Wilkins
44. Bill Walton
45. Sam Jones
46. Kevin Johnson
47. Dennis Rodman
48. Dirk Nowitzki
49. Steve Nash
50. Billy Cunningham
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51. Nate 'Tiny' Archibald
52. 'Pistol' Pete Maravich
53. Tracy McGrady
54. Hal Greer
55. Jerry Lucas
56. Robert Parish
57. Earl 'the Pearl' Monroe
58. Bernard King
59. Artis Gilmore
60. Alex English
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61. James Worthy
62. Joe Dumars
63. Bill Sharman
64. Reggie Miller

Players to consider:
Paul Arizin
Dave Bing
Adrian Dantley
Dave DeBusschere
Connie Hawkins
Dennis Johnson
Bob Lanier
Sidney Moncrief
David Thompson
Chris Webber


#64 Greatest Player Voting
Reggie Miller = 9 votes
Paul Arizin = 6 votes
David Thompson = 3 votes
Vince Carter = 2 votes
Sidney Moncrief = 1 vote
Adrian Dantley = 1 vote
Bob Lanier = 1 vote
Dennis Johnson = 1 vote
Dave DeBusschere = 1 vote
Mitch Richmond = 1 vote


Official #64 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH

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Old 08-28-2007, 12:07 PM   #2
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I stand by what I posted last round.

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I vote for Paul Arizin. His selection is only made difficult through ignorance and era prejudice. Simply, he is the greatest, most accomplished player left.

His accomplishments greatly outweigh those of the other players being mentioned--and those not being mentioned. Others are voting for more modern perimeter players like Vince Carter, Reggie Miller, Sidney Moncrief and David Thompson. Let's compare.

Paul Arizin was selected to 3 All-NBA 1st Teams and 1 All-NBA 2nd Team. He was an All-star all 10 seasons of his career. The first season that the MVP was awarded, Arizin was 2nd in votes. He followed that up with 3rd place, 8th place and 5th place. For the first 3 seasons of Arizin's career, there was no MVP award, but for one of those seasons, he came in 3rd in the All-NBA Team voting.

Vince Carter was selected to 1 All-NBA 2nd Team. His 1 All-NBA 3rd Team selection doesn't mean mutch here, because there was no 3rd Team until 1989. If there were an All-NBA 3rd Team back in Arizin's day, he would have had a few more All-NBA Team honors instead of losing out a few seasons to the likes of Bob Pettit, Elgin Baylor, Dolph Schayes, Tom Heinsohn and Jack Twyman. Carter has been an All-star 8 out of 9 seasons, but, unlike in Arizin's day, fans vote for the starters of today's all-star games. A very popular player, Carter was selected, in some cases, as a starter over better players, despite missing a significant amount of games, or despite having a subpar season where he admittedly tanked games because he wanted to be traded. Carter's only significant placement in MVP voting was finishing in 10th place in 2000.

Reggie Miller was selected to 3 All-NBA 3rd Teams, which isn't too significant in regard to an all-time list, for reasons already mentioned. He made 5 All-Star games in 18 seasons. He never receieved significant MVP votes.

Sidney Moncrief was selected to 1 All-NBA 1st Team, 4 All-NBA 2nd Teams and 5 All-Star games in 11 seasons. From 1982 to 1986, he was 7th, 4th, 8th, 8th and 7th in MVP voting.

David Thompson was selected to 2 All-NBA 1st Teams in 9 seasons, and to 4 NBA all-star games and to 1 ABA all-star game. He was 3rd in MVP voting in 1978 and also had a few votes 2 others seasons which were good enough for 7th and 8th placements.

So, looking at the individual accolades given to these players, only Moncrief approaches Arizin's success. Miller, despite playing at least 7 more seasons than the others, has the fewest honors. Thompson had a season or two where he was considered about as good as Arizin and Moncrief were in their times, but Moncrief and Arizin had longer, more consistent primes. Thompson only had 5 healthy seasons where he played over 30 MPG, and that includes 1 season in the ABA.

When we look at team success, Arizin is atop again. He was arguably the best player on an NBA championship team. None of these other players have that distinction. They didn't have a Finals MVP back in Arizin's day, either, but his 28.9 PPG and 8.4 RPG during the playoffs that season indicates he would have had a good case.

Another thing that strikes me when comparing these players is that they seem to derive their support largely based on their innovation or speciality. Carter and Thompson are both admired for their dunks. Miller is admired for being an exceptional 3-point shooter. Moncrief was more of a well rounded player, but he was an especially great defensive player. Arizin was a pioneer jump shooter. And, unlike some other early jump shooters, he was accurate with it; he led the NBA in FG% one season. So, even when you look at innovation and special skills, Arizin trumps the rest.

By the way, what do the numbers in parenthesis mean?
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Players to consider:
Paul Arizin (1)
Dave Bing (9)
Adrian Dantley (5)
Dave DeBusschere (8)
Connie Hawkins (3)
Dennis Johnson (7)
Bob Lanier (6)
Sidney Moncrief (2)
David Thompson (4)
Chris Webber (10)
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:08 PM   #3
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Of these it has to be Arizin. In his prime, Hawkins was top class, but his career as a whole wasn't that impressive.
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:12 PM   #4
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Chris Webber should be in the late 70's maybe 76

its shocking DJ or Debuschere arent in but Dirk is smh,next thing you know the Rocket fans here will rally and get Yao,TMac and Chuck Hayes on this list

my vote:Adrian Dantley
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:15 PM   #5
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its shocking DJ or Debuschere arent in but Dirk is smh,next thing you know the Rocket fans here will rally and get Yao,TMac and Chuck Hayes on this list
Too late... McGrady got in at 53.
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:16 PM   #6
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VC is better than all of these players.
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:22 PM   #7
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Too late... McGrady got in at 53.
What ****ing shame
This list after 40 ruined any credability this will have

McGrady is good but hes never made it past round 1 and his numbers have been on the decline along with his athleticism

a spot in the 80's would better suit him
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:27 PM   #8
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Arizin -

the real key to getting your guy on the list is to make a passionate appeal one before the spot you want him at. Arizin will walk in here.
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:32 PM   #9
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the real key to getting your guy on the list is to make a passionate appeal one before the spot you want him at. Arizin will walk in here.

It often takes more than one round.
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:41 PM   #11
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Vince Carter!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:42 PM   #12
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David Thompson for the 6th time.
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Achievements/ Awards
1st overall pick in 1975 draft
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ABA All-star game MVP (1975-76)
ABA Rookie Of the year
NBA All-star game MVP (1978-79)
6 All-Star games in 9 seasons.
2 All-NBA 1st teams

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PPG: 22.1
RPG: 3.8
APG: 3.2
SPG: 0.9
BPG: 0.8

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Old 08-28-2007, 12:45 PM   #13
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'PITCHIN' PAUL ARIZIN

Paul Arizin is the best player left from the 1950's not included on this list.


-10 NBA All-Star games
-3 All NBA 1st teams and another 2nd team (4 total)
-Led the league in scoring twice (52) and (57).
-Career high in points was 26.4
-Career high in rebounds was 11.3
-Career high in assist was 2.9
-Led the league in FG% with 45%
-1955 NBA All Star game MVP
-NBA Champion


He missed two whole season do to being drafted by the US Army. Came back and won a title in 1956 with the Philadelphia Warriors. He also starred it two different era. The “dead ball” era that featured Mikan and the run and gun style later in the 50’s and early 60’s that featured Pettit, Russell, Chamberlain, Baylor, Roberts and so forth. Also, along with Joe Fulks made the jump-shot a regular move and was known as one of the game's first great leapers.
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Old 08-28-2007, 01:21 PM   #14
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Sidney Moncrief is my vote.

Great player. Got his Bucks to the conference finals only to be beaten by the Celtics. A great defensive player with good, efficient scoring ability.

Awards and achievements:

2 defensive player of the year awards
5 All NBA teams, 1 first and 4 second
5 All defensive teams, 4 first 1 second
5 All Star selections

He was a great all-rounded player that could shoot, post-up, rebound, pass, play great man-to-man defense, block shots, steal you name it. Just a great all-round player.
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Kevin Willis

Prime: 21ppg 18 rpg 1bpg :)
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