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Old 08-30-2007, 01:30 AM   #1
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Default Walt Frazier vs. Jason Kidd--- Spencer Haywood's Analysis

i found this interesting comparison from spencer haywood's blog at:

https://www.nbrpa.com/news/featurear...wood_Blog.aspx

‘Past Meets Present’
Walt Frazier vs. Jason Kidd

"Walt Frazier and Earl Monroe were my guards when I came to New York, and Walt had busted a lot of people. But to quote boxing referee, Joe Cortez, 'I will try to be fair, but firm.'”



CATEGORIES


Offensive Edge
FRAZIER

Defensive Edge
FRAZIER

Passing Edge
KIDD

Intangibles *
FRAZIER

Versatility
FRAZIER

Dependability in big games
FRAZIER

Ability to make their teammates better
KIDD

Court Vision
KIDD

Athleticism
FRAZIER

Maturity
FRAZIER

Basketball IQ
TIE

TIE
Popularity
FRAZIER

Best Dressed
FRAZIER

Head to Head
FRAZIER

Most Coachable
TIE

TIE
Media Friendly
FRAZIER

Better Ball Handler
KIDD

Quicker
KIDD

GRAND TOTAL

11--FRAZIER

5--- KIDD



ADVANTAGE--Frazier 11 - 5
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Old 08-30-2007, 01:33 AM   #2
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Default Re: Walt Frazier vs. Jason Kidd--- Spencer Haywood's Analysis

What the hell do best dressed, media friendliness, and popularity have to do with anything. Haywood's gone senile...dude said he would average 75 ppg and 50 rpg in todays game:

http://www.thebasketballjones.net/
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Old 08-30-2007, 02:16 AM   #3
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Default Re: Walt Frazier vs. Jason Kidd--- Spencer Haywood's Analysis

he left off best vocabulary!
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:10 AM   #4
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Default Re: Walt Frazier vs. Jason Kidd--- Spencer Haywood's Analysis

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What the hell do best dressed, media friendliness, and popularity have to do with anything. Haywood's gone senile...dude said he would average 75 ppg and 50 rpg in todays game:

http://www.thebasketballjones.net/

relax

tell folks when talking about magic johnson that media friendliness and popularity dont matter

best dressed was probably toungue in cheek because of all the mink coats that clyde used to wear

even if you take out those three areas, what do you think e-baller?
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:37 AM   #5
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Default Re: Walt Frazier vs. Jason Kidd--- Spencer Haywood's Analysis

Yeah, Walt Frazier was better than Jason Kidd. As for passing and playmaking, Frazier was more than enough, but he was also a genuine scoring threat. He was also a better defensive player than Kidd, and Kidd is an excellent defensive player. Frazier could score and make key plays in the clutch, while Kidd has tried to up his scoring in the playoffs.

I think Frazier's new-money fashion flaunting was immature, but on the court, he was a completely different and mature leader.
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:40 AM   #6
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Default Re: Walt Frazier vs. Jason Kidd--- Spencer Haywood's Analysis

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i found this interesting comparison from spencer haywood's blog at:

https://www.nbrpa.com/news/featurear...wood_Blog.aspx

‘Past Meets Present’
Walt Frazier vs. Jason Kidd

"Walt Frazier and Earl Monroe were my guards when I came to New York, and Walt had busted a lot of people. But to quote boxing referee, Joe Cortez, 'I will try to be fair, but firm.'”



CATEGORIES


Offensive Edge
FRAZIER

Defensive Edge
FRAZIER

Passing Edge
KIDD

Intangibles *
FRAZIER

Versatility
FRAZIER

Dependability in big games
FRAZIER

Ability to make their teammates better
KIDD

Court Vision
KIDD

Maturity
FRAZIER

Basketball IQ
TIE

Head to Head
FRAZIER

Most Coachable
TIE

Better Ball Handler
KIDD

Quicker
KIDD

Those are the only categories that matter and honestly Kidd is better in the most important ones. Passing, ball handling, court vision, quickness, and making his teamates better are probably the 5 most important attributes in a point guard. Unless he is arguing for Kidd this is a bad way to prove his point.
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Old 08-30-2007, 11:08 AM   #7
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Default Re: Walt Frazier vs. Jason Kidd--- Spencer Haywood's Analysis

Walt Clyde is the best announcer in the game.
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Old 08-30-2007, 11:28 AM   #8
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Default Re: Walt Frazier vs. Jason Kidd--- Spencer Haywood's Analysis

there is no way Kidd is quicker than Clyde. Clyde was like a cat. great athlete. Kidd has quick hands but not quicker feet.

I won't get into categories but Frazier was a better player than Kidd. There are IMO only two guys that have played the PG position you could argue as being better than Frazier and that's Magic and Isiah. The man is mad underrated.
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Default Re: Walt Frazier vs. Jason Kidd--- Spencer Haywood's Analysis

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there is no way Kidd is quicker than Clyde. Clyde was like a cat. great athlete. Kidd has quick hands but not quicker feet.

I won't get into categories but Frazier was a better player than Kidd. There are IMO only two guys that have played the PG position you could argue as being better than Frazier and that's Magic and Isiah. The man is mad underrated.
i never really saw walt except for in the game 7 blowout against the lakers where he looks like the best player ever. anybody older than me wanna give a basic description of what his play style was and why he should be ranked this high? i guess i kind of have a slightly better dennis johnson in my head when i think about him but i would never have thought to rank him over stockton or cousy.
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Old 08-30-2007, 02:21 PM   #10
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Default Re: Walt Frazier vs. Jason Kidd--- Spencer Haywood's Analysis

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there is no way Kidd is quicker than Clyde. Clyde was like a cat. great athlete. Kidd has quick hands but not quicker feet.

I won't get into categories but Frazier was a better player than Kidd. There are IMO only two guys that have played the PG position you could argue as being better than Frazier and that's Magic and Isiah. The man is mad underrated.
He is underrated

But ever heard of Oscar Robertson, John Stockton, Bob Cousy, and Gary Payton?
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Old 08-30-2007, 03:04 PM   #11
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Default Re: Walt Frazier vs. Jason Kidd--- Spencer Haywood's Analysis

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He is underrated

But ever heard of Oscar Robertson, John Stockton, Bob Cousy, and Gary Payton?

gary who?

i'll have to look him up
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