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Old 08-30-2007, 02:45 PM   #16
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Not really, why do you say that? Miller was never known for his defense.

I agree, Miller was the better leader and was obviously more clutch...but I think Richmond was the better play maker and a more effecient rebounder. Mitch's shooting ability is often overlooked...he was a terrific shooter from any where on the court.

So if Miller was never known for defense, and he's better than Richmond, what does that say about Mitch Richmond's D?

So Richmond drove better and rebounded better (in the regular season)?
You're going to argue Mitch Richmond's SHOOTING ability against Reggie Miller? That's a terrible approach.
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Old 08-30-2007, 02:45 PM   #17
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Ask Dominique Wilkins...

Didn't Wilkins score 50 + points in a playoff game against one of the best teams in NBA history while that team's best player was having one of the best games of his career?

What is your point?
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Old 08-30-2007, 02:49 PM   #18
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You're going to argue Mitch Richmond's SHOOTING ability against Reggie Miller?

Are you implying that Miller's shooting is far superior? I'll give him the edge, but he's hardly the superior shooter.

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What is your point?

As great of a player Wilkins was he still had very little playoff success, you need talent to win games period...Richmond played for bottom feeders his entire career, I'm glad he won a ring with LA.
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Old 08-30-2007, 02:51 PM   #19
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I can't disagree with that statement, I'm glad someone recognizes how terrific of a player Mitch was...hardly ever gets mentioned.

Despite everything said, I really did like Mitch and I agree he doesn't get much recognition. Much of that is because the playoffs is where legends are born.
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Old 08-30-2007, 02:57 PM   #20
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As great of a player Wilkins was he still had very little playoff success

But he had some. And he played well in the playoffs.

Mitch never really played well in the playoffs...

Partly because he never got his teams into the playoffs. I don't get why this is so hard to understand.

If you have ZERO playoff significance... you have much less overall significance.
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Old 08-30-2007, 02:58 PM   #21
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Default Re: Mitch Richmond Vs. Reggie Miller

I believe Richmond had just had a stellar offensive year with the Kings before he got traded for CWebb.

Then CWebb.. makes Sacramento a perennial contender.

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Old 08-30-2007, 02:58 PM   #22
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i think kizzle nailed it.

reggie is an odd player to look at because he was very effective in the team game and really a sort of average 1 on 1 player for the nba. so when you look at his style sometimes you feel like he wasn't that talented and needed great picks and timely passes to excel in the league. but if you step back and consider his ability to play without the ball, his excellent movement and tireless wearing down of his opponents, his ridiculously quick release, and his clutch shot making, you start to see that even though his 1 on 1 skills weren't the best, he was one of the most effective players ever at the position.

i don't see how reggie's defense was superior to mitch's. someone could enlighten me on that one. neither was that great at staying in front of serious athletes and mitch was stronger in the post.

i just ran their head to heads and they are pretty even with mitch taking advantage of rookie miller and miller taking advantage of aging mitch. the pacers won more often, but they were always a significantly superior team to the kings and wizards.
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Old 08-30-2007, 02:59 PM   #23
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What are you even talking about? Do you honestly even know who Mitch Richmond was, have you seen him play?

20 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 3.0 APG on 48% shooting was his playoff stats.

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Mitch never really played well in the playoffs...

Yeah you nailed that one.
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Old 08-30-2007, 03:00 PM   #24
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20 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 3.0 APG on 48% shooting was his playoff stats.

Wow, that's freaking amazing!

I've never seen playoff stats so.... amazing.

Try making a good point next time, dumbace.

BTW, how many games?
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Old 08-30-2007, 03:02 PM   #25
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Miller's playoff stats:

20.6 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 2.5 APG on 45% shooting...

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I've never seen playoff stats so.... amazing.

By your standard Miller was even worse?

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Try making a good point next time, dumbace

Take your own advice next time, how exactly did Mitch "not" play well in the post-season?
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Old 08-30-2007, 03:03 PM   #26
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Someone is actually trying to say Mitch Richmond is the better player than Reggie Miller? Wow.

Mitch was a cool player and all, no doubt, but Reggie defines clutch and might as well be called Mr. Playoffs. How often was Reggie NOT in the playoffs?

Besides, isn't Reggie one of the most accurate 3 point shooters in NBA history? What is Mitch?
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Old 08-30-2007, 03:05 PM   #27
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Besides, isn't Reggie one of the most accurate 3 point shooters in NBA history? What is Mitch?

I believe Mitch is a career .388 3 point shooter...Miller is a .395 career 3 point shooter.
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Old 08-30-2007, 03:06 PM   #28
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Over how many games? Out of how many attempts? Mitch being like .007 less accurate that Reggie isn't very impressive if he shot 5000 less shots.

Seems like you're only telling half of the story in your arguments...
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Old 08-30-2007, 03:07 PM   #29
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By your standard Miller was even worse?


You were the one trying to claim the stats were good.

My standard is not amazing stats, it's amazing PLAY.

Watch some basketball.

Find me all the famous Richmond playoff highlights.

Like when Shaq handed him his Championship ring and said... "To the best assistant coach we have....Mitch Richmond"
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Old 08-30-2007, 03:10 PM   #30
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Over how many games? Out of how many attempts? Mitch being like .007 less accurate that Reggie isn't very impressive if he shot 5000 less shots.

Seems like you're only telling half of the story in your arguments...
here's the player comparison through age 36 (didn't want to drag down any of reggie's averages or boost his totals too much by adding the extra 3 years)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm.cgi?req=1&***=1&p1=richmmi01&y1=2002&p2=miller e01&y2=2002
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