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Old 08-04-2006, 04:37 PM   #76
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Can't you say the same for the post Shaq Lakers?

One winning season(with a first round embarressment) and you Laker fans are talking about a championship contending team?



Hypocrisy anyone?

Hypocirte. NO. My argument has nothing to do with the Lakers. I'm just a Laker fan. What I'm sayin is that Clippers get 47 wins and all of a sudden, not just clipps fans, but alot of non clipps fans as well are considering clipps contenders. In no sense was I comparing them to the Lakers in this argument

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Well, if the Clips are overrated, but we've finished ahead of you the past two years, and we've had a better head-to head record over that span, then what does that make the Lakers?

One word-OVERPAID!:
Kobe-$17,700,000
B. Grant-$14,898,000
Odom-$12,300,000
Kwame-$8,287,000
Bynum$2,030,000
McKie-$2,5000,000

Again, I didnt bring the Lakers into this argument but if you want to then ok. Lakers got 45 wins and clipps got 47 wins. all of a sudden clipps are considered contedners. you dont see laker fans jumping up in joy when lakers get 45 wins..why? because 45 wins for us is considered mediocore. we still consider ourselves in rebuliding process. but obviosuly for you, it means glory???

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I guess finishing behind us 2 years in a row makes you loosers.

do you know the meaning of the word "overrated"? two teams can have the same record but one can be overated. has nothing to do with how good they are. clippers win 47 games and they're championship contenders. Lakers win 45 wins and they're mediocore.



Anyways, yes the clipps were the better team for the last two yrs but imo, not much better than the Lakers...
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Old 08-04-2006, 05:25 PM   #77
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Never ever? Singleton is 10000 times better then Walton, he just doesn't get the PT thanks to the depth the Clippers had @ The SF position last year, even through injuries, Maggette, Mobley, Livingston, Ross, Radman(half way) all ahead of Singleton and Singleton could start on many teams, including the Lakers since their starting the Radman.

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Timmy Thomas )Chris Mihm

Never ever, and you're comparing a 3 with a 5 LOL

Mihm better then Thomas? That is HILARIOUS. Thomas can play the 3, 4 and 5, so it's comparing a VERSATILE player to a one position player which is big on the bench, not towards a starter though. Thomas is much better then Mihm.

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Maybe once a year when he's completely healty.

And Turiaf is healthy? Funny ****, saying a veteran needs to be healthy to be better then a sophmore who missed more then half a season. Rebraca over Turiaf, 365 days a year and 366 on a leap year.



Have fun with Radman, who would have been the Clippers 8th man(behind Cassell and Maggette|Ross) being your starter and "savior".
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Old 08-07-2006, 04:16 AM   #78
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Never ever? Singleton is 10000 times better then Walton, he just doesn't get the PT thanks to the depth the Clippers had @ The SF position last year, even through injuries, Maggette, Mobley, Livingston, Ross, Radman(half way) all ahead of Singleton and Singleton could start on many teams, including the Lakers since their starting the Radman.

So Singleton was behind Radman last year @ Clips, but could staret ahead of him should he be a laker this year... LOL you're getting lost. Singleton is a roster filler, Walton a specialist. I'd take Walton night and day.

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Mihm better then Thomas? That is HILARIOUS. Thomas can play the 3, 4 and 5, so it's comparing a VERSATILE player to a one position player which is big on the bench, not towards a starter though. Thomas is much better then Mihm.

LOL Thomas spent the last 2-3 seasons being sitted on the bench by every coach... save in a very particular D'Antoni system for half a year (and he is no 5, he never played at 5 even in Phoenix).
Mihm was a starter the last 2 years and was very solid, even if not very good.

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And Turiaf is healthy? Funny ****, saying a veteran needs to be healthy to be better then a sophmore who missed more then half a season. Rebraca over Turiaf, 365 days a year and 366 on a leap year.

Turiaf is really behind in the rotation (and he's a 4) and had heart surgery, then no injure whatsoever. Brown+Mihm+Bynum > Kaman+Rebraca+N'Dong. Is it so difficult?

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Have fun with Radman, who would have been the Clippers 8th man(behind Cassell and Maggette|Ross) being your starter and "savior".

He's not certainly a saviour and remains to be seen if he starts.
But for sure he's a useful specialist as we have a real superstar that draws double and triple-teams, thus providing open threes for teammates.
Have fun with Tim, that will play good games 10 times out of 84 and soon become lost at the end of the bench, an underachiever as he's always been.
Interesting that Phoenix, where he played at his best (in a contract year) was not interested in keeping him!

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Old 08-07-2006, 05:45 AM   #79
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So Singleton was behind Radman last year @ Clips, but could staret ahead of him should he be a laker this year... LOL you're getting lost. Singleton is a roster filler, Walton a specialist. I'd take Walton night and day.

Walton was coming around for you guys towards the end of the season, was a no show before that because he wasn't getting that much PT. Same goes for Jsingleton, literally no playing time throughout the season due to the depth at his position. I'll cut you some slack being a laker fan, you haven't really gotten to see what Jsingleton is capable of when given PT. He is a ball of energy coming off the bench, he crashes the boards and jumps out of this world, his Jumper is looking good as well. If he were on another team, He will definitely get PT, I really hope he gets more minutes this year for us. FREE JAMES SINGLETON!!



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LOL Thomas spent the last 2-3 seasons being sitted on the bench by every coach... save in a very particular D'Antoni system for half a year (and he is no 5, he never played at 5 even in Phoenix).
Mihm was a starter the last 2 years and was very solid, even if not very good.

TT is a gamble for the clips, but I honestly think most laker fans are in denial and scared ****less if he DOES INDEED actually TRY for the Clippers. You saw for yourself what HE is CAPABLE of doing. He killed both LA teams, so enough said. He can play inside and is more then capable of hitting the trey as you know first handedly



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Turiaf is really behind in the rotation (and he's a 4) and had heart surgery, then no injure whatsoever. Brown+Mihm+Bynum > Kaman+Rebraca+N'Dong. Is it so difficult?

Kidding me right??? Brown better then Kaman?? One of the few TRUE CENTERS in this league. Kaman is damn young and is coming along nicely compared to Brown who has been in this league for 5 years. Kaman has mad post game and can finish with both hands? Kwame has Butter fingers. Kaman can hit the mid jumper, can kwame?? lol

Just look at these stats from NBA.com
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Ranks #17 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(2.5) Ranks #13 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(4.4)

Kaman, Chris
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(9.6) Ranks #12 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.523)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds(563.0) Ranks #11 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game(7.2)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Total Rebounds(750.0) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(10.6)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(14.1) Ranks #18 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes(2.03)

Rebraca has heart problem as well but is damn consistent in the post. I doubt he'll be a clipper this season.

N'Dong vs Bynum, you honestly think these two players are legit at this point in their careers? I think they cancel each other out.

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He's not certainly a saviour and remains to be seen if he starts.
But for sure he's a useful specialist as we have a real superstar that draws double and triple-teams, thus providing open threes for teammates.
Have fun with Tim, that will play good games 10 times out of 84 and soon become lost at the end of the bench, an underachiever as he's always been.
Interesting that Phoenix, where he played at his best (in a contract year) was not interested in keeping him!

Radman is a good player, but very one dimensional. He can occaisonally drive in and either finish strong or draw a foul. But most of the time he turns it over. He can't play D very well but can rebound. no post moves what-so-ever.

TT on the other hand is very versatile, he has better lateral movement then Radman and has inside and outside game. I can see TT really turning his career around with the Clips, he has a great supporting cast in EB, ET, Cat who are hardworkers on and off the court. I believe they'll have a nice influence on TT.

Look out for the Clipps, show some respect if u come to our forum. Kthx..

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Old 08-07-2006, 05:50 AM   #80
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Hotsizzle, DUDE honestly. No one here is going to take your arguments subjectively because you sir are biased in being a Laker fan. Every point you make will be Clippers VS Lakers even if you didn't imply it in your post
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Old 08-07-2006, 06:45 AM   #81
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Walton was coming around for you guys towards the end of the season, was a no show before that because he wasn't getting that much PT. Same goes for Jsingleton, literally no playing time throughout the season due to the depth at his position. I'll cut you some slack being a laker fan, you haven't really gotten to see what Jsingleton is capable of when given PT. He is a ball of energy coming off the bench, he crashes the boards and jumps out of this world, his Jumper is looking good as well. If he were on another team, He will definitely get PT, I really hope he gets more minutes this year for us. FREE JAMES SINGLETON!!

I understand what you mean, and yes Singleton seems to have some +, he's a very good rebounder for his position. But Walton, even if one-dimensional, is something of a unique player, he's got very high BB IQ and can pass the ball like a PG. His skills are normally best shown when it counts, all his best games has been made in the PO, this year and in 2004. He's probably not starter material, but is a very precious backup for Odom.


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TT is a gamble for the clips, but I honestly think most laker fans are in denial and scared ****less if he DOES INDEED actually TRY for the Clippers. You saw for yourself what HE is CAPABLE of doing. He killed both LA teams, so enough said. He can play inside and is more then capable of hitting the trey as you know first handedly

Ok, ok right, but look a little bit earlier: TT has never deliver and was in the lineup only when enough young, and people believed he will improve and develop. But then? He was useful only in Phoenix, with a unique style of play. The main Clips play is pound the ball inside to EB. That's a complete different scenario. And Cassel is really a totally different PG than Nash. I believe TT will go back to his Knicks-Bulls days.

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Kidding me right??? Brown better then Kaman?? One of the few TRUE CENTERS in this league. Kaman is damn young and is coming along nicely compared to Brown who has been in this league for 5 years. Kaman has mad post game and can finish with both hands? Kwame has Butter fingers. Kaman can hit the mid jumper, can kwame?? lol

Never said so (Brown better than Kaman). Instead, in my original post I said Kaman>Brown. BUT the whole rotation is a different story: Mihm is really solid for a backup, and the Clips has not an equal.
It has also to be added that Kwame improved a lot in the last part of the year and we can hope he starts again where he finished.

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Rebraca has heart problem as well but is damn consistent in the post. I doubt he'll be a clipper this season.

That was exactly what I was saying. You lack of a real backup to Kaveman

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N'Dong vs Bynum, you honestly think these two players are legit at this point in their careers? I think they cancel each other out.

Agreed that none of the 2 is ready. But Bynum has already shown something on both ends of the floor and has undeniable better upside. So, even if we're speaking about 3rd centers that will not significantly change team values, ther's a slight Lakers advantage here.

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Radman is a good player, but very one dimensional. He can occaisonally drive in and either finish strong or draw a foul. But most of the time he turns it over. He can't play D very well but can rebound. no post moves what-so-ever.

Completely agree. To tell the truth, I don't like Vladimir as an overall player. But in this Laker team he can maybe give his best and make opponents pay for double-triple teaming Kobe.

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TT on the other hand is very versatile, he has better lateral movement then Radman and has inside and outside game. I can see TT really turning his career around with the Clips, he has a great supporting cast in EB, ET, Cat who are hardworkers on and off the court. I believe they'll have a nice influence on TT.

TT SHOULD be an excellent player. Kwame SHOULD have been Garnett-level. Artest SHOULD have won 3-4 defensive player of the year.
But let's go back to FACTS. Are you really expecting TT to turn around his career now that he's 6 months shy of 30?

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Look out for the Clipps, show some respect if u come to our forum. Kthx..

Well, my original post said I see LAL and LAC with very similar value, so the better record will be probably decided based on injuries or circumstances...
I'm not rating the Clips so low, just I don't see a championship contender or rate them at the same level of Spurs or Mavs.
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Old 08-07-2006, 10:16 AM   #82
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Hypocirte. NO. My argument has nothing to do with the Lakers. I'm just a Laker fan. What I'm sayin is that Clippers get 47 wins and all of a sudden, not just clipps fans, but alot of non clipps fans as well are considering clipps contenders. In no sense was I comparing them to the Lakers in this argument


You make absolutely no sense at all. You blab on about how the Lakers are easily going to make the playoffs and how they're going to be a top 4 team in the West, yet you rag on Clip fans cause they think they're team is top 4 and is a contender in the West?

FYI, the Clips have accomplished more in the past 2 years then the post Shaq Lakers. At least they have a top 5 record and a 2nd round trip to base they're arguements on. Da ***** do you have? Nothing.

So for the exact same reasons you think the Lakers are contenders, they think the Clips are. You're biased fans.



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Again, I didnt bring the Lakers into this argument but if you want to then ok. Lakers got 45 wins and clipps got 47 wins. all of a sudden clipps are considered contedners. you dont see laker fans jumping up in joy when lakers get 45 wins..why? because 45 wins for us is considered mediocore. we still consider ourselves in rebuliding process. but obviosuly for you, it means glory???

How many times does someone have to tell you something before it sticks? The Clippers were THROWING games at the end of the year so they wouldn't have to play Dallas. I'd say at least 5 games. So STFU about the 2 win difference.

Rebuilding? If that helps you get to sleep at night.



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do you know the meaning of the word "overrated"?

Kobe Bryant.

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two teams can have the same record but one can be overated. has nothing to do with how good they are. clippers win 47 games and they're championship contenders. Lakers win 45 wins and they're mediocore.

Clippers get to the 2nd round. Lakers don't.


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Anyways, yes the clipps were the better team for the last two yrs but imo, not much better than the Lakers...

They're better this year too and I'm gonna laugh my ass off when you get flamed for all this at the end of the year.
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:24 PM   #83
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Shark - My last comment wasn't torwards you, it was targeted to the other Laker fans, sorry for not implying that. Otherwise, great debate bro...
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Old 08-09-2006, 06:39 PM   #84
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alright, well im done with this thread. we both have our opinions and thats how a rivalry should be. I guess we will see whos right at the end of the season...
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Old 08-11-2006, 07:00 AM   #85
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Shark, in your post you brought up some very good points,

Thanks for listening carefully :-)

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but in my personal opinion I have to disagree with you on something. I do not think Magette is an underachiever
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Take a look here at Maggette's career stats by clicking on this link:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/...gSNKKj9ZKkvLYF

Well, you're right they're really good numbers (though it seems the one thing he's really good at is get to the FT line and make them).
But, somehow, he was unable to sign a good contract and still is unable to be a consistent starter.
Maybe it's due to his suspect defense, maybe it's due to numerous injuries or to the fact that he's not exactly a SG or a SF.
But for me, the bottom line is that, given his talent, he could have become a much more better player (consistent starter, potential all-star, clutch player in big games).
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Old 09-02-2006, 12:53 PM   #86
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im sry to say this clipp fans, but that young group of talent the lakers have shal gain on there 45 win season for many reasons: 1) bieng that they have learned the triangle and are more compfortable 2) 3 games which lakers lost b/c the refs kicked hkobe out of the the game for the flagrent 3) NOW WE HAVE VLADRAD!!! [tim thomas will suck on the clipps..good job overpaying for him] 4) we arguable the best coach ever and the future mvp07 kobe bryant
....hope u all enjoyed that 1 year mistake :)

what are you talking about getting tim was a smart move that make are bench even stronger and clippers will go futhher then lakers in the playoffs again!!! with sam giving clippers all this engery and all are young players steping it up clippers are becoming a way better team. also all are players now have playoff experince hands down clippers are gonna go futhher than lakers!!
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Old 09-02-2006, 08:06 PM   #87
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I think this Knicks fan over here wants a piece of the lakers of next year.

Did u forget last year the clipppers had soo many good players and they only finished 2 games above the lakers if Im correct?

this year the lakers added a different piece and many of our developing players will have a lot to say to these clippers and knicks.

We have too many weapons against u guys.

Kwame, Kobe, Odom, Smush, Turiaf, Radman, and even sasha hitting the threes against yall too. We got the experience in this.

You're team is really bad and the fans are really desperate when they talk about having too many weapons against the Clippers and those so-called weapons are Kwame, Odom, Smush, Turiaf, Radman, and Sasha.

Elton Brand would lay out Kwame, Odom, Turiaf, and Radman alone. That's without even mentioning Kaman, who is better than Kwame, Turiaf, and Radman put together. Odom is talented but he's a p*ssy. If the Lakers actually had any depth in the back court, Smush and Sasha wouldn't even be on the team. If I was a Laker fan, I would want Smush out. He's a dumbass especially with his guaransheed that the Lakers would take the series against the Suns. I bet Smush was full of himself after the game 4 win.
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Old 09-03-2006, 12:47 AM   #88
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well this is my whole take about the clipps and lakers riv. The clipps are the better "team" but even tho i hate this guy and the lakers but ....they've got kobe...So say what u wanna say about kobe he knows how to handle him self. Now no way the lakers can be the clipps n a seven game series i say it goes 6 in clipps fav. BUT!!! the clipps dont know how to hold leads and take advantage of a game when they have ful control... thats my take imo... Lakers do have LO who the clipps miss dearly trust me on that.... Thats y they got Time thomas a poor blk mans LO / lol but i like him alot ( bell misses the shot.....rebounded my marion....he kicks it out to thomas lol....stupid kwame flys past him makin him self looks like a dummy...thomas finds a rythem takes a dribble to the left....SPOTS UP SWISH!!!!!!!) and he busses his hand waving the face trade mark..... lol....LO could never make that kind of clutch shot.....NOW AS FOR THE clipps u guys suck i mean lol the SACRAMENTO KINGS OWN YOU GUYS lol...(which is my team of course) whats the streak at now 16 str8 lol and u guys call ur self better than the lakers lol atleast the lakers manage to beat us once n a while but we gat u guys on a leash ...so talk that!!!!! WE OWN U GUYS .... but its not u guys fault its all mobley's stupid guy pot out his contract lol to bench what a loser.... oh well we got artest n k-mart now .....As u can see i'm not taking ne ones side here so dnt jump on my case....As for the lakers please please please...... learn from bostons mistake lol STOP DWELLING ON THE PAST...... as u can see they tried it and now they cant make the playoffs its a curse...... u GUYS TALKED ABOUT THAT HORRY SHOT YA WHOLE DYNASTY not to mention dat fisher shot..... that y u guys got embarrassed from the pistons n 04 ... u guys had bunch of old geezers on ur team thinkin u could run with the young bucks hmmmm oh well i'm out now. in conclusion THE CLIPPS ARE BETA END OF DISCUSSION
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Old 09-03-2006, 02:47 AM   #89
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Tim Thomas will be very old at the end of that contract.That pick up will look bad if the TT that was a cancer in Chicago and Milwaukee rears his head.

Excuse me but Sam Cassell is also "old." And his playing has not diminished. "Old" can add judgment and maturity to a player.

The Clips will continue to be a 'team' rather than a one-man stage with a bunch of other guys making way. Lakers will benefit from Rad's ability to shoot the 3-pointer, though two men don't actually make a 'team.'
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Heya there Clips fans...don't worry about what those funny lakers fans are saying..you are still having a much better team than lakers...and if maggete will stay healthy...you will win at least 50 games
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