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Old 09-08-2007, 02:30 PM   #1
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#74 - Walt Bellamy. “Bells” played at time when many great centers were in the league and he made a name for himself. In his rookie season with the Chicago Packers, he put up 32 and 19, second in scoring behind Wilt’s 50. He made 4 straight All-Star games in the early mid 60’s with the Wizards franchise (Chicago and Baltimore then) before going to New York. He was a very durable player playing the season limit 8 seasons. He once played 88 games in a season.

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ISH 100 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time
1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Jerry West
12. Julius Erving
13. Moses Malone
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Bob Pettit
16. John Havlicek
17. Karl Malone
18. George Mikan
19. David Robinson
20. Isiah Thomas
21. Charles Barkley
22. John Stockton
23. Bob Cousy
24. Kobe Bryant
25. Rick Barry
26. Scottie Pippen
27. Clyde Drexler
28. Gary Payton
29. Willis Reed
30. Patrick Ewing
31. Allen Iverson
32. Walt Frazier
33. Elvin Hayes
34. George Gervin
35. Jason Kidd
36. Dave Cowens
37. Kevin Garnett
38. Bob McAdoo
39. Nate Thurmond
40. Wes Unseld
41. Kevin McHale
42. Dolph Schayes
43. Dominique Wilkins
44. Bill Walton
45. Sam Jones
46. Kevin Johnson
47. Dennis Rodman
48. Dirk Nowitzki
49. Steve Nash
50. Billy Cunningham
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51. Nate 'Tiny' Archibald
52. 'Pistol' Pete Maravich
53. Tracy McGrady
54. Hal Greer
55. Jerry Lucas
56. Robert Parish
57. Earl 'the Pearl' Monroe
58. Bernard King
59. Artis Gilmore
60. Alex English
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61. James Worthy
62. Joe Dumars
63. Bill Sharman
64. Reggie Miller
65. Paul Arizin
66. Sidney Moncrief
67. Dave DeBusschere
68. Dave Bing
69. David Thompson
70. Lenny Wilkens
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71. Adrian Dantley
72. Bob Lanier
73. Neil Johnston
74. Walt Bellamy

Players to consider:
Connie Hawkins
Spencer Haywood
Grant Hill
Dan Issel
Dennis Johnson
George McGinnis
Alonzo Mourning
Chris Mullin
Dikembe Mutombo
Chris Webber


#74 Greatest Player Voting
Walt Bellamy = 5 votes
Vince Carter = 4 votes
Dennis Johnston = 2 votes
Mitch Richmond = 2 votes
Ray Allen = 2 votes
Alonzo Mourning = 1 vote
Chris Mullin = 1 vote


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Old 09-08-2007, 02:39 PM   #2
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I think i'm gonna have to go with Spencer Haywood on this one.
spent 1 season in the ABA which he averaged 30.0 ppg and 19.5 rpg, and was the ABA regular Season MVP
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Led the ABA in Games, Minutes Played, Field Goals, Field Goals Attempted, Offensive Rebounds, Defensive Rebounds, Rebounds Per Game, and Points Per Game all in the same season.

20.3 ppg.
10.3 rpg.
1.1 bpg.
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I counted and both belamy and vince got 5 votes.
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:17 PM   #4
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doesn't matter, vince carter doesn't belong!

Mitch Richmond...

oh and he goes back and that is indeed so, i change my vote from richmond to bellamy in the previous voting.
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:26 PM   #5
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I counted and both belamy and vince got 5 votes.
Someone voted for Vince after I had already started this current round.


That Vince vote was at 1:29 PM and this current thread was posted at 1:30 PM. We were probally typing at the same time and plus the Bellamy vote to break the tie came in right at 1 PM.
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Mutombo!!!
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I vote for Joe Fulks.

Jumpin' Joe Fulks was the league's first star. He was there at the beginning, the 1946-47 season, before the BAA absorbed the NBL and was renamed the NBA. George Mikan didn't join the league until the 1948-49 season. Red Auerbach was coaching the Washington Capitols.

Back then, the game was slow, more violent, and players generally kept their feet on the floor--looking for an open set shot. Fulks, on the other hand, was the league's first great jump shooter, would drive to the basket, and he shot first and asked questions later.

Fulks led the league in All-NBA Team votes (closest thing to MVP back then) the first two seasons (1947 and 1948), and was All-NBA 1st Team a total of 3 times and an All-NBA 2nd Team selection once. He was selected to play in the NBA's first 2 All-Star games (1951 and 1952). If there had been All-Star games for his entire career, he would have surely appeared in a total of 6 All-Star games during his 8 seasons. To explain the somewhat "short" career, note that Fulks was 25 years old when the league began, and when he retired he was 33 years old, which was quite old in basketball years back then, especially since there weren't strong financial incentives to hang around longer.

Fulks played for the Philadelphia Warriors (later became the Golden State Warriors). The team averaged 68.6 PPG the initial 1946-47 season of the "dead ball" era, and Fulks averaged 23.2 PPG of them! That's 34% of his team's points. For perspective, when Kobe Bryant averaged 30 PPG in 2003, he averaged 30% of his team's points. The next best scorer in the 1946-47 season was Bob Feerick with 16.8 PPG.

The Warriors won the championship that season, and Fulks would have undoubtedly been the Finals MVP in addition to being the regular-season MVP. He scored 37 points in game 1 of the Finals, 26 points in game 3, 21 points in game 4, and 34 points in the decisive game 5.

Here's a brief look at his game 1 performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TEPiHy8aII

Fulks again led the league in PPG for the 1947-48 season, with 22.1 PPG, and again took the Warriors to the NBA Finals. He would have been MVP of this season, too. For the 1948-49 season, Fulks was probably only the 2nd best basketball player in the league with the arrival of George Mikan. Fulks averaged 26.0 PPG, but came in second to Mikan. Fulks, however, did top Mikan's single-game scoring record of 48 by scoring 63 points, which Mikan would never eclipse.

Here's a biography of Fulks at NBA.com:
http://www.nba.com/history/players/fulks_summary.html

No player left was more dominant in their era. No player left influenced the game more.
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Manu is an intangibles player who’s at his best with money on the line. There is a noticeable lift in his team’s energy level whenever he steps on the floor, and his breakneck style always excites the crowd.

On offense, Manu can score in a variety of ways. He doesn’t hesitate to fire away from 3-point land, and when he’s hot, he’s deadly from this range. His ability to shoot from deep also opens driving lanes for him. Manu goes to the hole as hard as anyone in the league, and he is an excellent finisher. Strong and agile, he draws lots of contact and often finds himself at the free-throw line. Much to the chagrin of NBA opponents, he has perfected his flop with the addition of long hair, which emphasizes his acting talents.

Manu’s court vision is sometimes overlooked. He’s a great passer who likes to dish as much as he likes to swish. This skill keeps opponents off-balance, particularly in crunch-time situations. Manu doesn’t have to take the game-winning shot. He’s just as happy to pass to an open teammate for an easy bucket.

On defense, Manu is a classic opportunist. He has active hands and tremendous instincts, both of which produce lots of steals. He does good work on the boards, too.

Winning is the bottom line for Manu—and he’s done it everywhere he has played. He already can claim an impressive Triple Crown: a Euroleague title, Olympic gold medal and NBA championship.


Manu Ginobili

kid is just a winner..won in Europe, won in the Olympics, won in San Antonio...Has been extremely clutch throughout his whole career.

he actually lead Argentina past team USA twice

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Dennis Johnson-Honors: NBA champion (1979, '84, '86); NBA Finals MVP
(1979); All-NBA First Team (1981); All-NBA Second Team (1980); All-Defensive First Team (1979-83, '87); All-Defensive Second Team (1984-86); Five-time NBA All-Star 1979-82, '85).
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Vince Carter EASILY.
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I vote for Joe Fulks.

No player left was more dominant in their era. No player left influenced the game more.
Joe Fulks avaraged 12.6 ppg in the nba, 5.3 rpg, and 1.6 apg.
And never got past the first round of the NBA, explain to me how thats dominant.
Considering this is the 75th best NBA player and everything good he did was in the BAA, i dont think he should get in here.
And was only a 2 time all star.
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Manu Ginobili

kid is just a winner..won in Europe, won in the Olympics, won in San Antonio...Has been extremely clutch throughout his whole career.

he actually lead Argentina past team USA twice
Europe and the Olympics are to totally different thing. While Manu has 3 titles, and is a very good player, he has only 1 All-Star game and no All-NBA teams.



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Vince Carter EASILY.
Easily ... it still about 10-15 players who were better then him.

Dennis Johnson
Alonzo Mourning
Grant Hill
Chris Webber


... and that's just a few.



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Joe Fulks avaraged 12.6 ppg in the nba, 5.3 rpg, and 1.6 apg.
And never got past the first round of the NBA, explain to me how thats dominant.
Considering this is the 75th best NBA player and everything good he did was in the BAA, i dont think he should get in here.
And was only a 2 time all star.
The BAA is the NBA, the BAA took in some NBL teams and in 1949 changed it's name to the NBA. So he actually won 1 BAA/NBA title and lost in the finals the next season.


He only made 2 All-Star games because the game was started in 1951.
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