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Old 09-24-2007, 08:00 PM   #76
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Default Re: Top 10 Shooters

Dirk isnt clutch? Based on a few misses and a bad series? So that makes him a bad shooter?

Nah he has proved over 100's of games that on average he is a fantastic shooter.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:03 PM   #77
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Default Re: Top 10 Shooters

michael redd... 46/38%.
ray allen - 44/37%.

That aint great accuracy at all. And that takes into account all distances, all types of pressure, over 82 games.

That is an accurate measure of great shooting, compared to what random posters think or seem to like.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:37 PM   #78
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If you are seriously under the impression that Ray Allen isn't a top 10 shooter in the league, I doubt it'd be worth arguing over. Seems like you're pretty set in your (false) criteria, and I don't think anyone will be able to change your mind.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:48 PM   #79
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Default Re: Top 10 Shooters

He has a nice style.

But his career average and his season average is not great at all.
I'm happy to change my opinion if you can give me definitive proof that Ray Allen is a top 5 ot 10 shooter in the league, other than when he hits his one out of every three 3pt attempts, you think to yourself.... "thats automatic" and "that looks sweet".
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:51 PM   #80
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Really I'm open and willing to give him the number 1 spot if there is any proof.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:53 PM   #81
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Cos I watch the Sonics play, and I watch as 1 out of 3 "go clang!" and I think to myself, is he so highly regarded as a shooter cos he looks good?
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:58 PM   #82
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Peja is in when healthy, at 46/40/90%

As is Wally Szczerbiak at 50/40/86%
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:01 PM   #83
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Forget stats.

You can just say that Ray Allen is the best shooter, point blank. And you'd be right, because when you are looking at the skill and the talent, you throw the stat sheet out of the window
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:06 PM   #84
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Forget stats.

You can just say that Ray Allen is the best shooter, point blank. And you'd be right, because when you are looking at the skill and the talent, you throw the stat sheet out of the window

This is the type of dumba$$ stupidity I am talking about. "Looking at the skill and the talent"????

The skill is gettin the ball in the hole, not looking good while doing it. And he gets the ball in the hole at a good but not great percentage.
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:07 PM   #85
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Ray's overall shooting percentages fall because he shoots a lot more three's than anyone else. This past year he shot 8 3's a game. Last year it was almost 9. His 3-pt percentage is actually quite good (high 30's, not low 30's like you're suggesting), especially considering the shot selection.
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:13 PM   #87
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I agree in the recent past he was top 5.
But last season he was not top ten.

44/37%.

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I agree in the recent past he was top 5.
But last season he was not top ten.

44/37%.

And did he suddenly become a bad shooter last year? Nope he still had the same skill.


Go compare Ray Allen's %s with the "New Ball" and then how they went up when they switched back to the old ball. Other factors like this can disrupt stats and %s.


And the pressure Ray Allen faces on his jumpshots is like no other. He rarely gets any open look.
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:44 PM   #89
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Default Re: Top 10 Shooters

Watch Ray Allen play, see the degree of difficulty on shots he takes compared to, say, Kyle Korver, and get back to me with that "argument" that only FG%/3P% matters. Name a guard that's a first option on his team that you think is a better shooter than Ray Allen, and explain why.
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Rip??
47% FG/34% 3PT?

I dont think so.
They have 82 games to prove an average percentage.
You are obsessed with stats. Watch the games, not the statsheets alone.
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