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Old 09-24-2007, 06:11 PM   #16
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I vote for MO Cheeks...
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Default Re: Official #91 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH

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Tommy Heinsohn

Elected to Naismith Memorial Basketbball Hall of Fame (1986); Eight-time NBA champion (1957, 1959-'65); All-NBA Second Team (1961-'64); Six-time NBA All-Star (1957, '61-65); Rookie of the Year (1957).

Cīmon, this man has to be in before this list reaches the 100...

I'm voting for Tommy Heinsohn.
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Tom Heinsohn is a good pick now; he was a well-rounded player and an important contributor of 8 championships for the Celtics. At his peak, he was only making All-NBA 2nd Teams, but only because he was overshadowed by fellow forwards Bob Pettit and Elgin Baylor.

However, we should realize that we're neglecting the important co-stars on one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history, the George Mikan-led Minneapolis Lakers. I made this point in an ealier round, too: that other NBA dynasties have multiple players from those teams represented on this list, while Mikan is the only player representing his team.

Heinsohn should make this list quickley (hopefully, Penny Hardaway doesn't make it over him... or make it at all), so that'll make 6 Celtics from a dynasty that, overall, won 11 championships.

The Larry Bird-led Celtics dynasty has 6 players represented for 3 championships. The Celtics of the mid-70s, with 2 championships, even have 2 players on this list.

Jordan's Bulls have 3 players. The "Bad Boy" Pistons have 3 players, another one (Dantley) who just missed out on the rings, and his replacement (Aguirre), will likely make this list. The Spurs have 2 players on the list, as do the most recent Lakers dynasty (3 if you count Mitch Richmond). The Knicks championship teams have 5 players represented.

The Lakers of the 80s, with 5 championships, have 4 players (5 if you count Spencer Haywood).

But, the Minneapolis Lakers, with 6 championships in 7 seasons, only have 1 player on this list (Mikan). It'll be unfortunate if Jim Pollard and Vern Mikkelson don't make this list. For those who don't know, it should be Pollard followed by Mikkelson.

Mel Daniels is another forgotten player, except that unlike Pollard and Mikkelson, Daniels was the centerpiece of a dynasty--the Indiana Pacers that won 3 championships in the ABA.

Another thing I should apparently elaborate upon is that Penny Hardaway shouldn't make this list. Those voting for Penny seem to be uninformed. They must not know or remember Ralph Sampson.

Like Hardaway, Sampson had a good 3 to 4 year stretch at the beginning of his NBA career where he was an all-star, sensational and something of a novelty. Moreover, while there have always been big points who could score and pass and do it fancy, from Oscar Robertson to Magic Johnson, there haven't been many 7'4" guys with guard skills. Sampson was a more unique talent, a funner player to watch in my opinion, and easily a better player than Penny.

Shaq was unquestionably the best player on the Magic team that was swept in the Finals by Olajuwon and the Rockets. It was a much closer call as to who was better of the twin towers who took the Celtics to 6 in the Finals. And, Olajuwon averaged 23.5 PPG, 11.5 RPG, 3.4 BPG, 2 SPG that season. Red Auerbach wanted Sampson to jump to the pros early to play alongside Bird, and when that didn't work out, eventually traded for Kevin McHale and Robert Parish. Anyhow, Ralph Sampson was greater than Penny Hardaway. I don't think either should make the list due to the lack of longevity and lack of comparable accomplishments.
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Another thing I should apparently elaborate upon is that Penny Hardaway shouldn't make this list. Those voting for Penny seem to be uninformed. They must not know or remember Ralph Sampson.

Like Hardaway, Sampson had a good 3 to 4 year stretch at the beginning of his NBA career where he was an all-star, sensational and something of a novelty. Moreover, while there have always been big points who could score and pass and do it fancy, from Oscar Robertson to Magic Johnson, there haven't been many 7'4" guys with guard skills. Sampson was a more unique talent, a funner player to watch in my opinion, and easily a better player than Penny.
Those voting for Penny I believer is their favorite player, or one of their favorites.
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