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Old 11-01-2007, 12:10 PM   #31
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it would be great to see JJ and LeBron together.
give ATL Ilgauskas and Hughes for JJ.


Youre right. Since Atl is a bigger sports and media market than Cleveland, give us Lebron and we'll give you Zaza and Marvin Williams.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:14 PM   #32
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Just trade him to the Cleveland Cavaliers we would give anything just to make sure Lebron James will be happy with his 2nd scoring option.

How about this trade proposal:


Larry Hughes, Damon Jones and future 2nd round pick for Joe Johnson and Tyron Lue.

That trade is horribly lopsided in favor of the Cavs. That means Hawks will probably do the deal
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:15 PM   #33
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That trade is horribly lopsided in favor of the Cavs. That means Hawks will probably do the deal

Billy Knight may not draft the best but he doesn't make bad trades.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:19 PM   #34
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Billy Knight may not draft the best but he doesn't make bad trades.
Fair. To be honest, I find it VERY odd that JJ would complain this year of all years. Hawks have some AMAZING talent this year. IMO they have a shot at the 7-8th seed.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:20 PM   #35
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Youre right. Since Atl is a bigger sports and media market than Cleveland, give us Lebron and we'll give you Zaza and Marvin Williams.


okay, but lebron would always shoot left-handed at games.






no but seriously im not a cavs fan.

ATL fans:
would you trade JJ to the Cavs without LeBron in the trade?
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:22 PM   #36
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Fair. To be honest, I find it VERY odd that JJ would complain this year of all years. Hawks have some AMAZING talent this year. IMO they have a shot at the 7-8th seed.


I don't know either, honestly I am hoping that he has been misquoted.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:31 PM   #37
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I wonder if this is how Peter Lawford felt in the Rat Pack.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:38 PM   #38
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you guys realize that acie law sucks right? that most of his "assists" in college can be attributed to hometown score keepers at a&m right? horrible pick by a horrible franchise.
hes somewhere between your hatred and the glory that Hotlantans think he will bring. hes a career backup who can fill it up.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:39 PM   #39
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no...i just know how to read.

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/...p?articleid=14

"It turns out that the king of assist bias is the table at Texas A&M. At home, the Aggies recorded assists on 78.5% of their made field goals. It's a percentage that is ridiculous to the point of being unbelievable. Only one team in the country cleared an assist rate of 70% on the season and that was Northwestern at 71.6%. A&M did play some cream puffs at home, so perhaps a figure close to 80% could be attained over 19 games, which was the length of their home schedule.

Any hope of suspending disbelief is lost by knowing that away from Reed Arena, A&M was credited with assists on just 45.2% of their made baskets. That figure is significantly below the national average assist rate of 55.1%. It's a rate that, sustained for the entire season, would have ranked Texas A&M 323rd--14th-worst--in the country in sharing the basketball. So to summarize: At home, Texas A&M was one of the best assisting teams in college basketball history. Away from home, they were the worst major conference team in sharing the ball.

Away from home, A&M was playing in front of all sorts of different scorekeepers, so it's unlikely that there was a conspiracy among all or even most of them to not record Aggies' assists. No, the only explanation is that assist inflation was at record levels in College Station in 2007. It was a phenomenon that didn't go unnoticed in the rest of the conference. Texas took the unusual step of voiding assists that were credited to its own team in a game at Texas A&M. (Note: under NCAA rules this a step that doesn't affect the official statistics, only Texas' internal records.)"




ZONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!
so what was the assist rate for visitors at reed arena? also what is there home vs road record. what are the differences in his assists averages split like this?
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:45 PM   #40
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so what was the assist rate for visitors at reed arena? also what is there home vs road record. what are the differences in his assists averages split like this?

i know they were good at home last year...they probably only lost 2-3 times.

and if you want me to look up the other ****, you go ahead and do it. if you read the article the case is clearly made that the home cookin helped his stats out...alot.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:48 PM   #41
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i know they were good at home last year...they probably only lost 2-3 times.

and if you want me to look up the other ****, you go ahead and do it. if you read the article the case is clearly made that the home cookin helped his stats out...alot.
im trying to. cant find it. any siggestions on where to look?
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:51 PM   #42
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im trying to. cant find it. any siggestions on where to look?

i would say kenpom.com but i dont know if its got that deep of stats. it'd give you an idea though.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:55 PM   #43
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riiight and why would Indiana do that?

I think the Hawks would be able to reserve him a spot on the bench. He would basically just take Speedy's place.
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