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Old 11-05-2007, 11:58 PM   #16
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Default Re: Why is T-Mac NOT criticized for being a BALL-HOG???

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Interesting stat:

22 assists, 8 turnovers for T-Mac through 4 games..2.75:1 ast:to
11 assists, 15 turnovers for Kobe through 3 games.....73|:1 ast:to

So, in one game more, Tracy has 11 more dimes and 7 LESS turnovers[almost HALF of Kobe]. A reason to why you can't say Tracy should get criticized like Kobe, he sets up his team mates and doesn't turn it over as much.
Yao Ming- Kwame Brown
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:00 AM   #17
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Yao Ming- Kwame Brown

That's funny, because the majority of his assists don't even go to Yao.....Rafer is the one that mostly feeds Yao.

McGrady get's his assists by sucking up the defense and then swinging passes to open shooters or throwing down to a backdoor cutting Chuck Hayes.

Most of Yao's shots really don't even come off assists, since the majority of the time he puts the ball on the floor and does one of his post moves.........Tonight was the first night Yao was even effective from the high post as a catch and shoot guy.
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:02 AM   #18
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Yao Ming- Kwame Brown

Chuck Hayes - Lamar Odom
Mike James - Derek Fisher
Rick Adelman - Phil Jackson

Also, I doubt that Tracy got 11 dimes more by passing to Yao solely, nor he has less turnovers because he handles the ball less because he has Yao. I'm pretty sure he has the ball the majority of the time.
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:07 AM   #19
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Default Re: Why is T-Mac NOT criticized for being a BALL-HOG???

Nope, but they're both ballhogs- chuckers of the same caliber to me. It's not like TMac doesn't just bring the ball up at times and shoot 28 foot contested 3pters of that hesitation move with time left on the clock just like Kobe does.
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:12 AM   #20
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Kobe has played team ball for two games straight. 2 whole games. I think he's a changed man...Then again maybe not.
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:13 AM   #21
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Nope, but they're both ballhogs- chuckers of the same caliber to me. It's not like TMac doesn't just bring the ball up at times and shoot 28 foot contested 3pters of that hesitation move with time left on the clock just like Kobe does.

shooting heat checks (which every player that is feeling it does), doesn't mean you just jack-up 28 foot contested 3pters. If you have been watching Tmac so far this season he really doesn't even do that anymore, you don't shoot the %s he's been shooting by just jacking up contested 28 footers........the fact that you put that desperate grab of a argument in your post shows me you obviously haven't been watching this season and don't know what the hell your talking about. Tmac is taking it to the rack like he hasn't done since his Orlando days.

I mean really, Tmac coming into this game was shooting .500 from the field.........How the hell do you do that by jacking up "contested 28 footers"?.........argument blown.

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Old 11-06-2007, 01:03 AM   #22
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how is t-mac a ball hog when he lead the rockets in assist last season???
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Old 11-06-2007, 01:05 AM   #23
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and the reason why nobody passes the ball to yao as much as they should is because we all know some point guard is gonna slap the ball out of his hands as soon as yao catches the ball.
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Old 11-06-2007, 02:04 AM   #24
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how is t-mac a ball hog when he lead the rockets in assist last season???
Because he had the ball 50% of the time. He is a great passer, he could have averaged a lot more assists if he tries to pass more.
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Old 11-06-2007, 02:08 AM   #25
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Tmac played liket Kobe in this game. But can't blame Tmac alone for not getting Yao the ball. Rockets made a collect effort to make sure Yao doesn't get the ball down low enough. There is one stretch in 1st half while Tmac sit on the bench for quite a few minutes, Yao only got ball down low like once or twice.
Yao is being used as a role player in Adlemen's system right now, ala Brad Miller. His touches in the low block is reduced by half, his FT attemps are down quite a bit. What a waste of talent.
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Old 11-06-2007, 02:11 AM   #26
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Because he had the ball 50% of the time. He is a great passer, he could have averaged a lot more assists if he tries to pass more.
Why would he pass the ball more, he's a SHOOTING guard.
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Old 11-06-2007, 02:17 AM   #27
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Why would he pass the ball more, he's a SHOOTING guard.
Because sometimes there are better options available. In this game for example, Rockets down 5, Yao set a screen for Tmac and rolls to the basket wide open, Tmac could have passed the ball to Yao for an easy dunk or layup, instead he pulled up a jumper and missed.

There is no rule saying shooting guard shouldn't pass.
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Old 11-06-2007, 02:24 AM   #28
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Default Re: Why is T-Mac NOT criticized for being a BALL-HOG???

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Simple, people hate Kobe ( with good reason), people don't hate T-Mac. So whatever Kobe does, he's gonna get more hate than anybody else. Sad but true.

Not really, it's because Kobe goes into phases where he simply ignores his teamates (he has been better the last couple of games, so credit to where credit is due), Tmac picks his spots and although he is scoring/shooting more shots this season, it's only because Adelman hasn't figured out how to use Yao Ming.

Like I said above.........nobody on this team is denying Yao Ming the ball, when Adelman sticks him in the high post it throws off his game (minus tonight, because he actually made plays from there, lets hope he's turning things around). Yao looks lost in this system, his points are down dramtically, and he's passing up shots. When Yao passes up scoring opportunities out of the high post, the ball gets flipped back to Tmac with a limited shot clock, which is the whole reason why he's scoring more points and is taking more shots this season.

Unlike Kobe he hasn't been the first option, like I said earlier, the Rockets almost always try to work the ball into Yao when he's on the floor, but until he adjusts to this system and starts challenging doubles, Tmac is going to have to pick up the slack.

This Houston team is totally different from the Sac teams Adelman used to have, it's probably going to take the first couple of months for Adelman to find out what works and how to coach to each players strength..........sticking Yao in the high post is not coaching to his strength. Adelman's gotta find a way to find a happy medium. He's also still trying to figure out the rotation. Like I said earlier, it's a giant learning process...so far the Rockets have gotten by strictly on talent alone (with Tmac being the best talent), once things get balanced they'll be more organized and efficient.....for godsakes people are still kicking out 3 point shots to Bonzi when he's only hit like 1 all season.

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Old 11-06-2007, 11:40 AM   #29
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Yep. He takes a fair amount of shots, but he's far from a black hole. I do think they should run more of the offense through Yao, though.


Why do people say this
TMAC isn't a pt guard and his assist numbers are crazy not to mention those 8 assist are the passes people scored on. So he passed much more than that.

Instead of saying run the offense through Yao
How bout keeping it honest and saying Yao needs to demand the ball more. Especially since its no secret how passive he can be.
Plus after watching Yao get shut down twice by Memut Okur. I never wanna hear another, give Yao the ball more comment again. Memut is good but Yao has no business struggling against him. Memut is by no means a defensive beast. Thats inexcusable
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:44 AM   #30
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LOL. "second round virgin" funny sh!t.

actually, the chucking of T-Mac has decreased. i believe. :)
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