Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops

Go Back   Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops > InsideHoops Main Basketball Forums > NBA Forum

NBA Forum NBA Message Board - NBA Fan Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-06-2007, 08:25 AM   #1
DOUBLE DRIBBLE
Legend
 
DOUBLE DRIBBLE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: N/A
Posts: 505
DOUBLE DRIBBLE has not been impressing people
Default Why isn't there any good rivalries in the league today?

Team vs team or Player vs player? IMO the League has failed to hype up any rivalries... the match ups they put up on nationally televised games are all wrong... absolute joke! I think the NBA's marketing sucks. It's killing the game, Stern needs to get his head out of his ass and start marketing this shlt, pronto!
DOUBLE DRIBBLE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2007, 08:42 AM   #2
b4ball
Local High School Star
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,146
b4ball has an OK reputation so far
Default Re: Why isn't there any good rivalries in the league today?

David Stern does not want rivalries. The malice at the Palace, the Carmelo slap in New York are the reasons why. The fans are to close to the action and the fans that can afford to sit that close are wealthy. Lawyers are expensive and the suits that sit in the prime seats can afford good ones.

And the league is still full of knukle heads like Nate Robinson and Ron Artest. A good rivary is two players or two teams that respect each other. Like the greats from the past have been saying, the young players now don't respect the game, don't respect the history, don't respect the players from the past.

Potential rivalries to watch could be the Celtics and the Raptors. Bosh and Garnet respect each other and both play hard. Now that they are in the same division, two teams that want to contend for the division, we have a rivalry in the making.

Orlando and the Heat, Shaq and Howard could be good if Shaq has anything left. We know Shaq can still talk a good game and Howard is the new dominating centre in the league, we have good potential.

Their are more intersting match ups to watch, the Knicks and Detroit, Sheed and Randolph, but again Stern will put out anything that smolders.

Good or bad, you decide.
b4ball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2007, 08:46 AM   #3
Manute for Ever!
Bol'd over
 
Manute for Ever!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Singapore, via Australia
Posts: 9,303
Manute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default Re: Why isn't there any good rivalries in the league today?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DOUBLE DRIBBLE
Team vs team or Player vs player? IMO the League has failed to hype up any rivalries... the match ups they put up on nationally televised games are all wrong... absolute joke! I think the NBA's marketing sucks. It's killing the game, Stern needs to get his head out of his ass and start marketing this shlt, pronto!

It's hard to get decent team rivalries going due to roster instability. Players are ready to jump ship and chase the buck, rather than wait for a team to develop and chase rings. Egos and money are the cause. Magic and and Larry, possibly the greatest individual rivalry ever, only ever wore one jersey. They also had one of the greatest team rivalries. Reggie and Stockton, guys who stuck with their team their whole career, through it all, were possibly the last of a dying breed. Maybe Duncan will as well.
Also, decent team rivalries fuel decent player rivalries and the lack of these could be attributed to the same reasoning. Just my opinion.

Last edited by Manute for Ever! : 11-06-2007 at 08:49 AM.
Manute for Ever! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2007, 08:48 AM   #4
DOUBLE DRIBBLE
Legend
 
DOUBLE DRIBBLE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: N/A
Posts: 505
DOUBLE DRIBBLE has not been impressing people
Unhappy

They don't respect the game because all they see is $$$$$$$$$



It is a damn shame..... with all this great young talent.
DOUBLE DRIBBLE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2007, 08:51 AM   #5
Manute for Ever!
Bol'd over
 
Manute for Ever!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Singapore, via Australia
Posts: 9,303
Manute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterManute for Ever! is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default Re: Why isn't there any good rivalries in the league today?

Quote:
Originally Posted by b4ball
A good rivary is two players or two teams that respect each other. Like the greats from the past have been saying, the young players now don't respect the game, don't respect the history, don't respect the players from the past.

Exactly.
Manute for Ever! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2007, 08:56 AM   #6
kidachi
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Why isn't there any good rivalries in the league today?

Quote:
Originally Posted by b4ball
A good rivary is two players or two teams that respect each other. Like the greats from the past have been saying, the young players now don't respect the game, don't respect the history, don't respect the players from the past.


and fans.. sometimes.. or posters on forums.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2007, 09:03 AM   #7
WoGiTaLiA1
Local High School Star
 
WoGiTaLiA1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Perth, Australia
Posts: 1,566
WoGiTaLiA1 has decent reputationWoGiTaLiA1 has decent reputation
Default Re: Why isn't there any good rivalries in the league today?

There doesn't need to be respect to be a great rivalry, it makes it special in a way, but hatred will fuel a rivalry just as well...

I have several reasons that rivalries are dieing...

First, but not foremost, is expansion. Due to it the teams don't play each other as often, the chances of a East/West like the Lakers/Celtics is minimal, most rivalries form from a division or at least conference, Bulls/Pistons, Celtics/Pistons, Miami/New York and probably the last Portland/Sac/LAL. Playing each other 4 times makes it hard.

Secondly is the marketing. The NBA doesn't seem to want or be pushing them, it's something that is basically being left to the fans, and lets be honest, with an inferior product comes less interest from the fans and when you combine that, the teams just seem happy to get fans through the gates, anything else is just gravy right now.

Third and foremost to me is Stern and his police. They have systematically targetted any players that show emotion in an attempt to remove it from the game. When Rodman goes crazy he gets a fine, Artest gets a 10 game suspension. You put the fans above the players and stop the players being allowed to show emotion like they did to Sheed, Mutombo and many others. Technical fouls are out of control, refs in general, but Stern is the one who doesn't want emotion in the game, he want's cookie cutter players, the fans don't. You can't "respect" or "hate" LeBron because he is cookie cutter, thus you don't get anyone having a reason for a rivalry with him. Ditto for Duncan, Tmac, Yao, Garnett or pretty much anyone but Kobe. Kobe so far is the only player who has the guts right now to speak his mind, it's refreshing. Cuban was getting fined stupendous amounts for speaking the truth and pretty much giving his fans a voice, NBA didn't want it. A whiny person can create a rivalry, Isiah basically did with Detroit and Boston/CHicago.

No intensity is the main reason. You don't have hard fouls, you dont have emotions, trash talk, finger waving, fans heckling or players talking back, you sure don't have any kind of emotion like a push and shove or you get suspended for stupid amounts of time. You want rivalries, you are going to have fire, if you can't handle it, like Stern and the nazi's that are running the NBA, then you have problems.

The NBA doesn't have any kind of rivalries, no emotion and, even worse, the product is really poor, as bad as it has been in the last 25 years. It really doesn't bode well for the NBA.
WoGiTaLiA1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2007, 09:44 AM   #8
InfamousDX
Serious playground baller
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 441
InfamousDX has decent reputation
Default Re: Why isn't there any good rivalries in the league today?

Give me the Knicks-Bulls, Knicks-Heat from the 90s. Oh man the Knicks-Heat brawl was one of the best... the fire and intensity of those guys showed people how serious the game was. As bruce bowen said in Dime Mag, the game has turned into buddy ball.
InfamousDX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2007, 10:48 AM   #9
b4ball
Local High School Star
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,146
b4ball has an OK reputation so far
Default Re: Why isn't there any good rivalries in the league today?

[quote=WoGiTaLiA1]There doesn't need to be respect to be a great rivalry, it makes it special in a way, but hatred will fuel a rivalry just as well...

Sorry man but I disagree. The Celtics and Lakers did respect each other, and so you had a great rivalry that played itself out for many years because of that respect. Without it you have seen what we have seen lately, brawls that have nothing to do with the game. Yes I know their were some brawls in the past, but not like the malice at the Palace, and more inmportantly the fans have changed as mentioned before.

Respect does not mean no trash talking, no tugging of shirts and shorts, no hard fouls, it means appreaciating ones game.

At the start of the game now you see everybody going around giving hugs, that's all crap. The great rivalry teams didn't do that till after the game, congradulating each other for the challenge they presented each other, but in the battle if they could knock each other to the ground and make sure they were slow or hesitant to get up, that's what the game was about. The Mailman, Karl Malone would send Kareem to the floor without hesitating, but disrespect him, never.

Without respect all you have are wealthy thugs, the Ron Artest and Nate Robinson's who have no respect for the game, the fans, team mates or certainly not their opponents.

It's respect that keeps peoples heads in the game, it does not deminish the intensity of the game or series.

But you make some other excellent points in your post. Thanks
b4ball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2007, 11:28 AM   #10
kidachi
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Why isn't there any good rivalries in the league today?

i hope a LeBron-Wade rivalry(friendly rivalry of course) would really build.

Nash-Kobe or Kobe-Wade or Kobe-LeBron.

The Melo-Lebron rivalry didn't live up.






If the Lakers-Bulls trade don't happen and Lakers would suddenly build into a true contender, and Boston wins east like it's the 80's.. We might see a third era of the LA-Boston rivalry.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2007, 11:38 AM   #11
saKf
Roy = my new fave.
 
saKf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Not offended by low scores.
Posts: 4,206
saKf is a pretty well-respected postersaKf is a pretty well-respected postersaKf is a pretty well-respected postersaKf is a pretty well-respected poster
Default Re: Why isn't there any good rivalries in the league today?

Teams don't play one another nearly enough for rivalries to develop. Division play is practically meaningless, too.
saKf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2007, 11:38 AM   #12
steve
...
 
steve's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,840
steve is popular on this boardsteve is popular on this boardsteve is popular on this boardsteve is popular on this boardsteve is popular on this board
Default Re: Why isn't there any good rivalries in the league today?

Quote:
Originally Posted by kidachi
The Melo-Lebron rivalry didn't live up.
That's because they barely play each other. It's hard to properly build a rivalry when they've only played each other 8 times in four years (and I'm not sure if they were both active for all of those games). The two biggest reasons why we don't really have rivalries in the NBA right now, as mentioned earlier, is because of expansion and player movement (roster instability). You only play a team at most 4 times during the season and then you have to hope that they play each other in the playoffs which is difficult to set up. It's hard to really build up a distaste for a team when you hardly see them. Also the players move enough that each year these teams aren't exactly the same as the ones they faced the year before.
steve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2007, 11:42 AM   #13
hateraid
Is it in you?
 
hateraid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: In your local 7-11 freezers
Posts: 11,422
hateraid is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterhateraid is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterhateraid is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterhateraid is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterhateraid is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterhateraid is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterhateraid is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterhateraid is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterhateraid is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterhateraid is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterhateraid is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default Re: Why isn't there any good rivalries in the league today?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Manute for Ever!
It's hard to get decent team rivalries going due to roster instability. Players are ready to jump ship and chase the buck, rather than wait for a team to develop and chase rings. Egos and money are the cause. Magic and and Larry, possibly the greatest individual rivalry ever, only ever wore one jersey. They also had one of the greatest team rivalries. Reggie and Stockton, guys who stuck with their team their whole career, through it all, were possibly the last of a dying breed. Maybe Duncan will as well.
Also, decent team rivalries fuel decent player rivalries and the lack of these could be attributed to the same reasoning. Just my opinion.


Fully agree. That and the fact there is a huge influx of great talent coming in that the power balance is always shifting.
hateraid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2007, 11:42 AM   #14
Eldrunko247
Good college starter
 
Eldrunko247's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,249
Eldrunko247 is considered somewhat coolEldrunko247 is considered somewhat coolEldrunko247 is considered somewhat cool
Default Re: Why isn't there any good rivalries in the league today?

Because of the "D-Whistle Riles". Players are not allowed to touch each other anymore. There's hardly any contact, flopping, and it's OK for any other sport with predominately white players to fight but in the NBA because the players are mostly black the games and personalities are censored. How can you get any rivalry going when players are not even allowed to play the game and even express themselves in the smallest way on the court without some penalty.
Eldrunko247 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2007, 11:45 AM   #15
Shogon Vendetta
Decent playground baller
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 311
Shogon Vendetta has an OK reputation so far
Default Re: Why isn't there any good rivalries in the league today?

Quote:
Originally Posted by WoGiTaLiA1
You can't "respect" or "hate" LeBron because he is cookie cutter, thus you don't get anyone having a reason for a rivalry with him. Ditto for Duncan, Tmac, Yao, Garnett or pretty much anyone but Kobe. Kobe so far is the only player who has the guts right now to speak his mind, it's refreshing. Cuban was getting fined stupendous amounts for speaking the truth and pretty much giving his fans a voice, NBA didn't want it. A whiny person can create a rivalry, Isiah basically did with Detroit and Boston/CHicago.


Yao is the way he is because of the way he was raised and his culture. Has nothing to do with Stern. Same thing goes for Duncan. That's just how the dude rolls. He spoke up about the ref that he had a problem with. What does Duncan have to complain about?

T-Mac doesn't speak his mind but Kobe does? Kobe is the only one that has the guts to speak his mind? Kobe gives cookie cutter answers to the media unless he's blowing his top. Over the course of their careers, T-Mac has called it how he's seen it a crapload more than Kobe. T-Mac was very, very vocal in Orlando. He has no reason to be in Houston.

LeBron is cookie cutter and he's the only good example you gave. Tons of players in the league speak their minds. Kobe is one of the most cookie cutter motherf˙ckers around when it comes to giving interviews unless, like I said, he happens to be extremely mad at the time. And you cited Kobe as the only player with the guts in the league to speak their mind... unbelievable... I could name no less than 10 without giving it a second thought that speak their minds on a consistent basis far more than Kobe Bryant.

The f˙ck is wrong with you, Wog?

SAKF IS GAY.

Last edited by Shogon Vendetta : 11-06-2007 at 11:51 AM.
Shogon Vendetta is offline   Reply With Quote
This NBA Basketball News Website Sponsored by:
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:04 AM.




NBA Basketball Forum Key Links:
InsideHoops Home
NBA Rumors
Basketball Blog
NBA Daily Recaps
NBA Videos
Fantasy Basketball
NBA Mock Draft
NBA Free Agents
All-Star Weekend
---
High School Basketball
Streetball
---
InsideHoops Twitter
Search Our Site















Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Terms of Use/Service | Privacy Policy