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Old 11-08-2007, 06:39 PM   #16
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Default Re: Josh Smith for Baron??

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The gap is wide because assists vary as a margin between the +/- of their assists

calderons assists by game 4-8-4-8-6 coming off the bench.

Diddy apg 10-11-8-10.

My gap of 4 is semi-accurate when you look at the avg and actual game log.
it doesn't really matter where the assists are coming from. they all count the same on the stats sheet. but anyways, as i said and will continue to say, Smith is the more valuable fantasy player. I suppose maybe you can find assists elswhere.
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Old 11-08-2007, 06:41 PM   #17
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Everything is open to discussion. And getting the superior player alone and ignoring your overall team balance is poor strategy 9-10 times.

The fantasy rule that stats...the team getting the biggest name is winning usually works in package deals not one-one. But i don't but into that fantasy guidline half the time.

I actually disagree, but everyone has their opinions. In a 1 for 1, if there is a great gap in overall value, you take the best player in the deal. In combo deals, I think the opposite is true. You don't deal Gerald Wallace and Jermaine O'neal for Kobe just because you are getting the best player in the deal. Again, from my experience. The new Kobe owner wonders why his team is terrible with his Kobe and Michael Finley (the guy he picked up off waivers) combo.

You're assuming no subsequent deals are made. If you need rebounds and are good in assists and points, you still don't deal away Deron Williams to acquire Tyson Chandler. You have to take overall value into account. Of course categories are imporant, but sometimes they can be thrown out the window.

He could probably turn Smith into a tier 2 PG and another good to great forward or centre.

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Old 11-08-2007, 06:48 PM   #18
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Last thing...take the 5.8 downgrade in assists and enjoy Josh Smiths 16 stls and 14 blks in 4 games compared to Barons 5 stls and 2 blks.
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Old 11-08-2007, 06:56 PM   #19
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I actually disagree, but everyone has their opinions. In a 1 for 1, if there is a great gap in overall value, you take the best player in the deal. In combo deals, I think the opposite is true. You don't deal Gerald Wallace and Jermaine O'neal for Kobe just because you are getting the best player in the deal. Again, from my experience. The new Kobe owner wonders why his team is terrible with his Kobe and Michael Finley (the guy he picked up off waivers) combo.

You're assuming no subsequent deals are made. If you need rebounds and are good in assists and points, you still don't deal away Deron Williams to acquire Tyson Chandler. You have to take overall value into account. Of course categories are imporant, but sometimes they can be thrown out the window.

He could probably turn Smith into a tier 2 PG and another good to great forward or centre.

Who is the throw-in in the kobe deal? very important? Everything should be in the "it depends" category.

It depends on...

-League settings
-number of cats
-types of cats.
-starters
-bench
-lots of things.


Sadly i play in league where trades don't occur often or at an 84 processed trades by week 2(ISH league 2).

On the record, Kobe for JO-Gwallace is afair trade at this point. Seriously.
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Old 11-08-2007, 07:00 PM   #20
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On the record, Kobe for JO-Gwallace is afair trade at this point. Seriously.

Very true. Lots of factors and it's based on your particular strategy. I have seen many many teams really suck because they are so top heavy, have 3-5 superstars and the rest of the roster is weak.
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Kobe 4 JO-Gwallace

gains with kobe:
pts
3's
stls
fg%
ft%
to

Loss:
rebs..less than 5...
assists very slight

maintain everything else. Plus the throwin will put you over even more.
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Kobe 4 JO-Gwallace

gains with kobe:
pts
3's
stls
fg%
ft%
to

Loss:
rebs..less than 5...
assists very slight

maintain everything else. Plus the throwin will put you over even more.

Come on now. You're using a pretty small sample by comparing this deal using the current seasons stats. If you look at last year, you lose in points, stls huge, bds huge, blks huge and FG%. Assists are a wash.

Again, the filler plays a role in this and that is an unknown.

My point is, you can be top heavy in a fantasy pool and that's not a good thing.

Like you said in another thread, you take the best overall player sometimes regardless of categories (CP3 for Gwall) and I think we agree that Josh Smith for Baron falls into that.
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Old 11-09-2007, 04:56 PM   #23
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i've had a star studded roster once and lost

there's a guy in my league that has a ton of really good names but once you break down the avg's against more balanced teams he can only beat you in 4 catergories every week. And if any of his big dogs slack off, he's screwed!

Balance is extremely important
Im sorry

as far as the harder stat lines to cover like blocks and steals
there's tons of guys in the league that come off the bench of play minimal roles you can pick up to dominate those categories

Rebounds - Reggie Evans
Blcks - Sean Williams cuz people are sleeping - I snatched Theo Ratliiff whose starting I'm the sickest in my league in blocks cuz my players are so balanced its not even funny.
Steals - Ronnie Brewer or even Paul Milsap stuffs this categories his scoring is irratic but he's also good for these random categories. And often helps FG%

PG However I've learned the hard way are the biggest challenge IMO. Asst is not a easy stat to be good at especially if your up against a top ten guy in that stat. Your filler players will even out, but the head to head PG match-ups will show how you lost that stat. If your dealing with Deron, Kidd, Nash, Billups, Ford and you don't at least have a committee of other Pg's to match up, your done! especially if your apponent has another go 2nd tier pg like a Mo Williams or Andre Miller combined with the rest of that team it's a wrap. Nash, Chris Paul and Deron by themselves can out assist and entire team and do let it be a 4 game weak, your through!

If the strategy is dominate every stat but assist, do it. But if it doesn't allow you to do that, your hurting your team, that's what I think!


Put it like this

I got Marbury, Mo Williams, Billups, Odom Iggy and Kobe
all good for 5 assist each!

but I'm up against Deron and Nash
those 2 alone are kicking my azz right now
PG's are important!
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Old 11-09-2007, 05:13 PM   #24
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Do it. If your league is trade-friendly you will be able to move more players if the assist thing bugs you.

One more thing. Is this H2H? If so, then there is little to think about. You can punt assists every week and still win. You only have to dominate 5 cats in a 9-cat setup to win the league. You may not win pretty (hey who doesn't love those 8-1, 9-0 wins) but you'll win if you can absolutely dominate 5 cats and remain competitive in others. Indeed for H2H sometimes balance is the worst thing for a team. Better to stack up on 5 cats and punt a few in the process.
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:26 AM   #25
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i've had a star studded roster once and lost

there's a guy in my league that has a ton of really good names but once you break down the avg's against more balanced teams he can only beat you in 4 catergories every week. And if any of his big dogs slack off, he's screwed!

Balance is extremely important
Im sorry

as far as the harder stat lines to cover like blocks and steals
there's tons of guys in the league that come off the bench of play minimal roles you can pick up to dominate those categories

Rebounds - Reggie Evans
Blcks - Sean Williams cuz people are sleeping - I snatched Theo Ratliiff whose starting I'm the sickest in my league in blocks cuz my players are so balanced its not even funny.
Steals - Ronnie Brewer or even Paul Milsap stuffs this categories his scoring is irratic but he's also good for these random categories. And often helps FG%

You just named 3-4 players who are specialists...Milsap not so much. And nowhere to be found on the wire except maybe Sean Williams.

Josh Smith does all their work straight by himself. End of story.

Comparing rebounds to stls and blks. Weakens your arguement very much. Admiral attempt though.

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PG However I've learned the hard way are the biggest challenge IMO. Asst is not a easy stat to be good at especially if your up against a top ten guy in that stat. Your filler players will even out, but the head to head PG match-ups will show how you lost that stat. If your dealing with Deron, Kidd, Nash, Billups, Ford and you don't at least have a committee of other Pg's to match up, your done! especially if your apponent has another go 2nd tier pg like a Mo Williams or Andre Miller combined with the rest of that team it's a wrap. Nash, Chris Paul and Deron by themselves can out assist and entire team and do let it be a 4 game weak, your through!

If the strategy is dominate every stat but assist, do it. But if it doesn't allow you to do that, your hurting your team, that's what I think!


Put it like this

I got Marbury, Mo Williams, Billups, Odom Iggy and Kobe
all good for 5 assist each!

but I'm up against Deron and Nash
those 2 alone are kicking my azz right now
PG's are important!

A new backup pg or old one always finds a hot week here and there. Worst case.

I stick firmly to my early arguement. Caveat. Premier pgs are hard to find...Specialists aren't.
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