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Old 11-19-2007, 06:36 AM   #1
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Default Reason why Ben Wallace is struggling in Chicago..

anyone knows a reason or two, please tell me.

I'm really wondering why. He was a rockstar in Detroit and once he went to Chicago, he went from hero to zero
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Old 11-19-2007, 07:42 AM   #2
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Default Re: Reason why Ben Wallace is struggling in Chicago..

There have been multiple threads on this. I'm sure if you look back just a few pages, you can find one.

Most are about Chicago in general, but there's plenty of Wallace stuff in those threads, too.
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Default Re: Reason why Ben Wallace is struggling in Chicago..

I watch him every night and there are three reasons:

1. Getting old. Without the lift, he is too short and slow to do ANY damage.
2. Takes nights off. Takes a lot of plays off. In short, doesn't work hard enough.
3. He got paid. See #2.


Paxson's only big mistake. But it was a HUGE one.


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p.s. He has EASILY the lowest scoring average per minute on the Bulls, and he is getting outrebounded per minute by Thabo Sefolosha.
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Default Re: Reason why Ben Wallace is struggling in Chicago..

he played really well the game before last i thought. he at least showed me hes not completely washed up and can contribute alot if hes healthy and the matchup is right. he does get abused by bigger/taller freak centers and theres not much he can do about it since he just doesnt have the reach to stop them. at least hes not crying or at least i havent read any crying from him about being benched in the 4th a few games.

hes still got a little juice left, just not worth the money.
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:26 AM   #5
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Default Re: Reason why Ben Wallace is struggling in Chicago..

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I watch him every night and there are three reasons:

1. Getting old. Without the lift, he is too short and slow to do ANY damage.
2. Takes nights off. Takes a lot of plays off. In short, doesn't work hard enough.
3. He got paid. See #2.


Paxson's only big mistake. But it was a HUGE one.


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p.s. He has EASILY the lowest scoring average per minute on the Bulls, and he is getting outrebounded per minute by Thabo Sefolosha.

These are some good points but you gotta consider he is averaging like 28 minutes. You can't expect him to put up the numbers he put up last season if he is playing 7 less minutes. Give him a solid 35 minutes a night and expect numbers like

6.0 PPG
10.5 RPG
1.8 BPG
1.4 SPG
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:35 AM   #6
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Default Re: Reason why Ben Wallace is struggling in Chicago..

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Paxson's only big mistake.
Trading Brand for Chandler wasn't a big mistake?
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:38 AM   #8
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Trading Brand for Chandler wasn't a big mistake?

That was Jerry Krause.
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Good point.
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:56 AM   #10
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These are some good points but you gotta consider he is averaging like 28 minutes. You can't expect him to put up the numbers he put up last season if he is playing 7 less minutes. Give him a solid 35 minutes a night and expect numbers like

6.0 PPG
10.5 RPG
1.8 BPG
1.4 SPG


Yes, give Noah 35 minutes a night and expect:

9 PPG
11 RPG
And MUCH more active defense.

Give Gray 35 minutes a night and expect:
14PPG
8RPG
And a post presence that frees up other players.

Give TT 35 minutes a game and expect:
16 PPG
8 RPG
And MUCH more energy.


Wallace has had one good game, just like Cedric Benson. This is NOT just about stats either. If you have watch every game, you can see how one dimensional he makes the Bulls.

He plays like a dog out there, looks so uninspired, and the other team always goes on a run with him in there.

He is a a complete liability currently, and it is impossible to have an offensive system with him out there. He is like playing 4 on 5.



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Default Re: Reason why Ben Wallace is struggling in Chicago..

I really don't think either of those players would stay out of foul trouble long enough to get the 35 minutes you want.
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Default Re: Reason why Ben Wallace is struggling in Chicago..

Good point, you'd have to play them in combination most likely. which I'd be fine with.
Just play them consistenly.

Just not this do nothing Ben Wallace. Absolute liability.


And another thing, if you played this edition of Ben Wallace 35 minutes a night.

He'd fall over.

After dogging it game after tired game.




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Default Re: Reason why Ben Wallace is struggling in Chicago..

He had more help on defense in Detroit than he has in Chicago? There was more experience in Detroit? He's older? Skiles is an annoying guy? He's getting sexually harrassed by BIZARRO while he's on the bench?

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All true.
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Default Re: Reason why Ben Wallace is struggling in Chicago..

He was getting 35 mins last year. It would be tough to belive he can't play the same amount or atleast close to it this year. He went down 7 mins from last year which is partially the reason he stats are down. Obviously he isn't working hard out there like he used to but consider he amount of mins he is getting which is 28.
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