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Old 11-20-2007, 03:51 PM   #1
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Default the best nba team vs the best of the rest (for the all star game)-- who wins?

back in 1976 in the aba, the all star game was the best team at the all star break, the denver nuggets, vs the best players from the remaining (seven) teams

it made me think, what if the nba did it that way last year---

first of all, did dallas have the best record of all the teams at the all star break?

who would have been on that opposing team?


(here are some of the guys that played in the last all star game)
kobe, lebron, dwight howard, melo, wade, parker, joe johnson, mcgrady, ray allen, chris bosh, shawn marion

would dallas beat them?

please remember that as a TEAM, dallas might have the advantage because of familiarity. let's not forget the lessons of FIBA and the olympics the past several years

talent alone doesnt win games

what if the mavericks had played the best 12 from the rest of the teams for the all star game last feb?
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Old 11-20-2007, 05:07 PM   #2
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Default Re: the best nba team vs the best of the rest (for the all star game)-- who wins?

Dallas is good, but they're not beating a team comprised of Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, and Jason Kidd (just to name a few players). Also, why would be show up for this if it Dallas wasn't hosting it. One of the reasons why the ABA All Star game was mildly successful (and they lucked out in this regard) was because the top team in the league was also hosting the All Star game. There were also only 7 teams in the league at that point in the ABA so the talent gap between the best team in the league and a gathering of the other great players wasn't that great, there were great players on that Denver Nuggets (Thompson, Issel, Simpson, and Jones would've all been legitimate All Stars at the time), whereas the Mavericks only have about two legitimate All Stars in Nowitzki and Howard, and wouldn't be able to match up with the star power so the only way they'd be able to compete would be to grind out that game, and doesn't that defeat the purpose of an All Star game in the first place.
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Old 11-20-2007, 05:17 PM   #3
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Default Re: the best nba team vs the best of the rest (for the all star game)-- who wins?

No way in hell. Every team in the league would be trounced by an NBA all star team.

I wouldn't mind if they implemented a USA vs World all star game though, like they've done in hockey. I think that would make it far more exciting and interesting to watch, and players would probably take it pretty seriously too. At first glance, you assume USA walks away with it, but I have a feeling all the international players would work extremely well together.

Only problem is that it would leave off a lot of deserving Americans from the game.

Nash / Parker
Manu / Gordon / Barbosa
Deng / AK / Nocioni
Dirk / Pau
Yao / Okur

vs

Kidd / Gilbert / Paul
Kobe / Wade
LeBron / Melo / Pierce
KG / Amare
Duncan / Dwight


Hell, Duncan could be included with the international squad. Would make it even more even.

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Old 11-20-2007, 05:21 PM   #4
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Default Re: the best nba team vs the best of the rest (for the all star game)-- who wins?

The top team would just rest most of it's starters since it's such a meaningless game and would be trounced by the All-Stars.
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Default Re: the best nba team vs the best of the rest (for the all star game)-- who wins?

Very interesting question, and more difficult than a gut reaction...

When the Pistons sent 4 all-stars a few years back and had Flip Saunders on the sideline, they actually outplayed the opposition. Were they playing competitively? I'd like to think so. (The 5th man was Paul Pierce since Tayshaun Prince didn't make the all-star team)

Here's the difference, and why I'd have to choose the all-stars: The bench is too much of a weakness on most teams to keep up the play of the starting unit. Whereas the all-stars have other all-stars coming off the bench, the good team has second string guys with veteran's minimum contracts. Even though the starters may be great and play 40 minutes each, there's often some drop in performance during those combined 40 minutes of bench time.

In summary, I'd give the first quarter to the good team because of chemistry. The 2nd and 3rd quarters are often when teams use their bench, which I'd have to give to the all-stars. The 4th quarter is typically when a superstar takes over the game, and the all-star team is loaded with them. There are 5 superstars on the floor that can pick any mismatch they want. All-stars would dominate the 4th.

Final: 112-87

Someone load this up on NBA 2k8 or Live and let us know what happens! (I'd expect a blowout, because they don't take chemistry into account very well)
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Very interesting question, and more difficult than a gut reaction...

When the Pistons sent 4 all-stars a few years back and had Flip Saunders on the sideline, they actually outplayed the opposition. Were they playing competitively? I'd like to think so. (The 5th man was Paul Pierce since Tayshaun Prince didn't make the all-star team)

Here's the difference, and why I'd have to choose the all-stars: The bench is too much of a weakness on most teams to keep up the play of the starting unit. Whereas the all-stars have other all-stars coming off the bench, the good team has second string guys with veteran's minimum contracts. Even though the starters may be great and play 40 minutes each, there's often some drop in performance during those combined 40 minutes of bench time.)

the reason why i brought up the international play was to highlight that the usa cannot just throw together guys-- even all stars-- and expect them to play team ball

greece was a great example of how a bunch of guys who couldnt crack a starting nba lineup could beat usa's best individuals


the nba all star game, in recent years, has been a no defense, showcased game. but in the past, guys would be competitive and actually play some defense and want to win-- out of pride

the nba all stars run through a couple of practices maybe implement a few plays a day or two before the game.

dallas would have had a certain chemistry by the all star break to have the best record. the players know who to play with one another as a team


i think it could be closer than most people think
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