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Old 12-08-2007, 08:54 PM   #31
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Default Re: Parker is shooting 38.8% without Duncan

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It would be proven I would be wrong, and I'd accept it.

But it doesn't matter since it won't happen.

So you'd rather hop on a small sample... Cool. It's your credibility.
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Old 12-08-2007, 08:55 PM   #32
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So you'd rather hop on a small sample... Cool. It's your credibility.
What the hell, isn't it obvious?

When a large sample isn't possible, what do you hypothesize on?

Oh right, an available sample.
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Old 12-08-2007, 08:59 PM   #33
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Default Re: Parker is shooting 38.8% without Duncan

I'm more shocked how revolutionary the thought is that Duncan aids Tony Parker's game is to people. Who would have thought claiming a guy would shoot more like an above average guard would be considered blasphemy in today's world.
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Old 12-08-2007, 09:07 PM   #34
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Default Re: Parker is shooting 38.8% without Duncan

I think it's worth pointing out that not only is there no Duncan, there's not even a semblance of a post presence on the floor. Oberto, Elson, are guys you want to make finish plays.
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Old 12-08-2007, 09:09 PM   #35
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Just because you predicted this before it happened doesn't make it a fact. The sample is too small period. Many players go through shooting slumps over 2 games, that doesn't prove anything.
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Old 12-08-2007, 09:14 PM   #36
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Just because you predicted this before it happened doesn't make it a fact. The sample is too small period. Many players go through shooting slumps over 2 games, that doesn't prove anything.
Never said it did prove anything. Just pointing out this fact to people before Duncan comes back and helps put Tony back into his niche.

Basically, I'm telling people to be more critical of Tony's game.
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Old 12-09-2007, 01:16 PM   #37
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Wait till he plays some average teams next week. I guarantee you he will be all up in the paint vs. LA (Tim or no Tim lol)

Yes...guarantee that....
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Old 12-09-2007, 02:36 PM   #38
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That's a pretty impactful statement. Just shows how meaningless a 2 game span is to judge upon.
Not really. I mean, it is, but it's the exact same for almost any player, and the sample size doesn't really matter. You could say that about anyone over any period of time, because we're talking game by game here. The period of time doesn't really matter.

2 more made shots, eh? Eh, that's actually way more than you might think. Take AI. A notoriously poor shooter throughout his career as a Sixer. You know all the stats, the high 30s, low 40's seasons. He had plenty of them. Take 99-00 AI. He shot 42% from the field, scoring 28 per on 42% from the field. Now give him those 2 extra made shots per game that seem so insignificant right now, and add up his %'s. 50% scorer. As efficient as Wade, almost as efficient as MJ. Goes from one of the least efficient bulk scorers in the league to one of the most efficient. And you could do it with any season. He would've been around 50% countless times, and never would've shot less than 47%. Hell, last season he would've shot 56%.

Same thing with Kobe. Right now he's criticized for not shooting at a 50% clip like some of the other star swingmen out there. Give him those mere 2 extra made shots, and he becomes a 57% shooter this year.

Take the same number of made shots away from Shaq and he becomes a career 46.6% scorer. Pretty subpar, eh?

My point is, and this goes to Max as well, that 2 more or less made baskets each game isn't NEARLY as meaningless as you guys are making it out to be. Makes a huge difference for any player, no matter the sample size, and no matter the % they were shooting before.

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Old 12-09-2007, 02:51 PM   #39
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I did however, say "If we see Duncan go down, Parker would be not nearly as effective on the court as he is WITH Duncan".
Ok captain obvious, and the point of this thread is? Of course having Duncan on the court makes Parker a better player. Does that mean that Parker is nothing without Duncan? not at all.
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Ok captain obvious, and the point of this thread is? Of course having Duncan on the court makes Parker a better player. Does that mean that Parker is nothing without Duncan? not at all.
It's not as obvious to a lot of people as you might think.
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Old 12-09-2007, 03:04 PM   #41
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Not really. I mean, it is, but it's the exact same for almost any player, and the sample size doesn't really matter. You could say that about anyone over any period of time, because we're talking game by game here. The period of time doesn't really matter.

2 more made shots, eh? Eh, that's actually way more than you might think. Take AI. A notoriously poor shooter throughout his career as a Sixer. You know all the stats, the high 30s, low 40's seasons. He had plenty of them. Take 99-00 AI. He shot 42% from the field, scoring 28 per on 42% from the field. Now give him those 2 extra made shots per game that seem so insignificant right now, and add up his %'s. 50% scorer. As efficient as Wade, almost as efficient as MJ. Goes from one of the least efficient bulk scorers in the league to one of the most efficient. And you could do it with any season. He would've been around 50% countless times, and never would've shot less than 47%. Hell, last season he would've shot 56%.

Same thing with Kobe. Right now he's criticized for not shooting at a 50% clip like some of the other star swingmen out there. Give him those mere 2 extra made shots, and he becomes a 57% shooter this year.

Take the same number of made shots away from Shaq and he becomes a career 46.6% scorer. Pretty subpar, eh?

My point is, and this goes to Max as well, that 2 more or less made baskets each game isn't NEARLY as meaningless as you guys are making it out to be. Makes a huge difference for any player, no matter the sample size, and no matter the % they were shooting before.


Heh.
I think Max was trying to say that 2 shots IS a big deal, and if he simply made 2 more, it would have made a huge impact. I don't think he was dwarfing it's relevance, because I wasn't. But a 2 game span to judge is a bit too small. Maybe 5-10 games, then I could understand that. On any scale, 2 shots does a lot to a player's numbers, and the smaller the scale, the larger the impact.
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Yeah but SA beat Dallas and Utah without Tim Duncan....?
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Yeah but SA beat Dallas and Utah without Tim Duncan....?
EXACTLY. What part does that play into the argument? People keep saying that Ginobli and Parker are nothing without Duncan, are we forgetting that they just beat two of the top teams in the West without him? I suppose when your team is that good, you've got to jump at any opportunity you can to find a fault.
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What the hell, isn't it obvious?

When a large sample isn't possible, what do you hypothesize on?

Oh right, an available sample.


When a large sample isn't available, you reserve judgement until you have a large enough sample from which a reasonable conclusion can be drawn based on sufficient data. That should be obvious.
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When a large sample isn't available, you reserve judgement until you have a large enough sample from which a reasonable conclusions can be drawn based on sufficient data. That should be obvious.
also true. as someone said earlier in this thread, are we to conclude that Ginobli is the best player in the league and Duncan is his sidekick? and that Ginobli is gonna get the scoring title?
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