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Old 01-27-2008, 02:15 AM   #46
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Default Re: Which team is more talented without their star player: Hornets or Lakers

What yg is trying to get across is that without Paul, the Hornets wouldn't run a system revolving around Bobby Jackson. Because that's stupid. That's like saying that without Kobe, the Lakers would run their offense through whichever SG replaced him, most likely Sasha. Which, again, is dumb.

The Hornets all of a sudden lose Paul, and they start isolating West and Peja in the post far more often then before, and use Bobby Jackson way more as a spot up shooter than Paul would normally be used. Just like the Lakers would suddenly use the SG as a spot-up shooter and Bynum/Lamar would be the focal points of the offense.
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Old 01-27-2008, 12:08 PM   #47
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Default Re: Which team is more talented without their star player: Hornets or Lakers

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the question said "most talented"...Seeing NO struggle without Paul is because of the pg dominated system they run, not because of lack of talent. NO is easily a more talented team without Kobe. I think people dont understand what talented means.


Bravo to the guy who can understand the point of the OP.

You guys that are saying the Lakers are giving away the point on why NO operates like it does. It's a PG dominated system. Point proven is look at Janero Pargo's stats when CP was out. He practically put up the same production as CP. Look it up. Stats don't lie. Given the talent that NO has, the coaching system would adjust. Remember, this is a 82 game season. Now West is the focal point. I don't think he's given enough credit on how much he creates. They still have the system players. A top three rebounder/post defender and a top three long range shooter. Plus great sytem player in the last spot.

Also, the fact that the point was made abou the bench on the Lakers outscoring the Hornets bench. Two obvious points.

1- The Lakers starters are not as good point scorers. Peja was amongst the top scores in the league a few years ago. He's still a better scorer than the whole Lakers squad outside of Kobe. So is West and Paul. Case in point obvious NO takes the brunt of the scoring load because they are a better scoring starting unit.

2- The NO bench averages less minutes. Points per minute is a more accurate measurement on bench production, in which, the two teams are virtually the same.
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Old 01-27-2008, 12:31 PM   #48
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Default Re: Which team is more talented without their star player: Hornets or Lakers

New Orleans hands down

while CP3 is a BIG asset and a possible MVP, he is not as needed as kobe for the laker
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Old 01-27-2008, 03:42 PM   #49
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Default Re: Which team is more talented without their star player: Hornets or Lakers

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What yg is trying to get across is that without Paul, the Hornets wouldn't run a system revolving around Bobby Jackson. Because that's stupid. That's like saying that without Kobe, the Lakers would run their offense through whichever SG replaced him, most likely Sasha. Which, again, is dumb.

The Hornets all of a sudden lose Paul, and they start isolating West and Peja in the post far more often then before, and use Bobby Jackson way more as a spot up shooter than Paul would normally be used. Just like the Lakers would suddenly use the SG as a spot-up shooter and Bynum/Lamar would be the focal points of the offense.

Sorry, I kinda reiterated your post without reading your thread, but I agree.
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Old 01-27-2008, 05:21 PM   #50
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Default Re: Which team is more talented without their star player: Hornets or Lakers

Chris Paul isn't the player he is because of the system, rather the system is what it is because they have a player like Chris Paul.
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Old 01-27-2008, 05:27 PM   #51
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Chris Paul isn't the player he is because of the system, rather the system is what it is because they have a player like Chris Paul.

A little bit of both. Again as I mentioned, Pargo's stats instantly infalted when CP was down. Not saying Pargo is the player CP is but the system does award the position. I'll agree though that CP does run the system better and all round is an amazing talent who'd fit any sytem.
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Old 01-27-2008, 05:42 PM   #52
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It's actually kinda hard to say on threads like these.

Take the Suns. Say you compared them to another team (like the Lakers) without Nash and Kobe.

SUNS
PG - Barbosa
SG - Bell
SF - Marion
PF - Diaw
C - Stoudemire

LAKERS
PG - Fisher
SG - Ariza??
SF - Walton
PF - Odom
C - Bynum

Raw talent wise, it would seem like the suns are a MUCH better team. But the lakers would win easily.

So it's kinda hard to say - it depends on chemistry and other stuff.

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A little bit of both. Again as I mentioned, Pargo's stats instantly infalted when CP was down. Not saying Pargo is the player CP is but the system does award the position. I'll agree though that CP does run the system better and all round is an amazing talent who'd fit any sytem.
Pargo's stats went up because he started to play way more minutes. That's what happens when you move from the bench to the starting spot: you play more. He normally doesn't even play 20 minutes a game.
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Pargo's stats went up because he started to play way more minutes. That's what happens when you move from the bench to the starting spot: you play more. He normally doesn't even play 20 minutes a game.


Umm, that's exactly what I was saying. But to re-iterate that he did post similar numbers to what CP was doing in his absence. Hence saying that system rewards it's PG's.
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