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Old 01-26-2008, 07:48 PM   #1
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is Gary Payton a top 5 PG of all-time?
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Old 01-26-2008, 07:54 PM   #2
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Magic

Stockton

Kidd

Nash

Big O

I.Thomas

Frazier

Archibald


All were/are better than GP. He's possibly top 10 or 15 though.
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Old 01-26-2008, 08:10 PM   #4
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Not top 5. Great but top 5 is a bit much.
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Old 01-26-2008, 08:14 PM   #5
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Magic

Stockton

Kidd

Nash

Big O

I.Thomas

Frazier

Archibald


All were/are better than GP. He's possibly top 10 or 15 though.
I wouldn't say so.

But yes, I would say he's top 5.
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Old 01-26-2008, 09:12 PM   #6
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Magic

Stockton

Kidd

Nash

Big O

I.Thomas

Frazier

Archibald

I wouldn't say so.

But yes, I would say he's top 5.

Frazier was the same height as Payton and had 20 pounds on him (for those who like to bring up size), was a better shooter and more efficient scorer, a better rebounder, his assists were depressed by playing in Red Holzman's system where one player didn't dominate the ball, and he was more clutch, being one of the greatest big-game guards in NBA history, dropping 36 points, 19 assists and seven rebounds in Game 7 of the 1970 NBA Finals on Jerry West, and should have two Finals MVPs (10 years later, Magic got it for dropping 42, 15 and 7 in the deciding Game 6 when Kareem was injured, which was the exact same situation Frazier was in with Willis Reed injured, only the Lakers had a Game 7 if they had lost that game, while there were no more games left for Frazier; in '73, Reed somehow won Finals MVP again over Frazier despite playing only 30 minutes a game while Frazier played 46). Frazier also did to Jerry West what Payton did to Jordan in the '96 NBA Finals.

I'd say he is.

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Old 01-26-2008, 09:22 PM   #7
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Magic

Stockton

Kidd

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Big O

I.Thomas

Frazier

Archibald


All were/are better than GP. He's possibly top 10 or 15 though.

are u kidding me?? GP would of killed nash, the reason GP is better is he would score 25 points, 10 ast and shut the other teams best player down... what r u talking about nash has done it for 3 years payton has down it for 12 years... GP is a top 5 PG... him and jordan are the only players to have 10, NBA first defensives team... get out of here nash is not comparable to GP
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Old 01-26-2008, 09:25 PM   #8
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Nash is better than GP at running an offense. He's obviously not as good of defender but Way better at running an offense, handling the rock, vision, leadership etc...

The only top 5 list GP makes for me is trash talking.
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Old 01-26-2008, 10:03 PM   #9
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hes one of the best defenders of all time. How can you not put him ib
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Old 01-26-2008, 10:04 PM   #10
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he is a GOAT
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Old 01-26-2008, 10:08 PM   #11
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I think he makes it. Maybe 6th. He is better than Kidd and Nash.

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Old 01-26-2008, 10:12 PM   #12
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No. However, he is the biggest loud mouth guard of all time.
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Old 01-26-2008, 10:13 PM   #13
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Nash is better than GP at running an offense. He's obviously not as good of defender but Way better at running an offense, handling the rock, vision, leadership etc...

The only top 5 list GP makes for me is trash talking.

You can't simply put Nash on a top 5 list simply because he plays at a high level for 3 or 4 years. Payton has been doing this his whole career. If anything Payton runs the offence better then Nash. Remember the Seattle days? Leadership? He led his team to the NBA finals, and put up a great fight against the Michael Jordan Bulls.

Nash isn't even the best point guard Phoenix has ever had. That award goes to Kevin Johnson.
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Old 01-26-2008, 10:20 PM   #14
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I'd rank these guy over him:

Magic, Robertson, Stockton, Frazier, and Zeke.

Other guys in his range, that he's not definitley better than: Cousy and Jason Kidd. I think GP is in that second tier of PG's all time.
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Old 01-26-2008, 10:23 PM   #15
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I would say Payton is borderline Top 5. Around the 4-6 Range, its between Payton, Cousy, and Stockton there. So borderline Top 5.

Career wise, I would probably rank both Cousy and Stockton over Payton, and put Payton at 6th. Only talking Primes and how good they were, Payton would probably be 4th or 5th.


Bottom line, he is Borderline Top 5.
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