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Old 02-03-2008, 04:02 PM   #16
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last time i checked, it works pretty well in whole of europe. and people of germany or sweden don't seem any less free than those of america, in fact, the very opposite might be the case.
someone has the money, wants the better service, wants to go to the private clinic - he goes. but those who can't pay it, go to the public service. what's so bad about it?

it's very ironic that mao ze dong's saying that who doesn't work shouldn't eat came to reality to the most extent, of all countries, in corporate america.

but i certainly understand why is heilige terrified of the idea that even the unfortunate ones should have health care. in his eyes, public health care is attack to the human rights and freedoms, but patriot act isn't?
who knows, america might even have to decrease war spendings to implement this, god forbid the idea?

It IS a commodity. Nowhere in the consitution does it say that everyone is entitled to health insurance!

It is a commodity.

You are basically forcing other people to take care of other people and demand that they do it YOUR way and not their way if Government takes over. Government is also people when you get down to it as well. If there are unethical practices out there, then people will raise hell and do something about it.

The BEAUTY of the true free market system is that if we didn't have so much government intervention the market would take care of itself. If you have a company that acts like ****, then another one will pop up that's even better. Maybe that better one is more expensive, but then people will be sick of that and create one that is more affordable and so on. It's the beauty of how the market works.

People telling other people how they must treat others is a total load of ********. It's a survival of the fittest type world and eventhough we are a civilized society, it doesn't mean we are a robin hood society (though it keeps getting pushed towards that way). You are responsible for YOU and no one else. The sooner people get that through their damn heads, the sooner we'll all be better off.

People are good by nature and there will always be helpful solutions. It's the ones that are forced upon us that turn people off of legitimatly helping. You destroy true compassion by force.

I don't mind taking care of those who can not take care of themselves. I do have a problem with those who refuse to take care of themselves because they are waiting for a hand out because they are simply LAZY and refuse to work.
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Republicans healthcare plan's consist of making sure all white people get coverage.

WTF am I doing wrong then?
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:05 PM   #18
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last time i checked, it works pretty well in whole of europe. and people of germany or sweden don't seem any less free than those of america, in fact, the very opposite might be the case.
someone has the money, wants the better service, wants to go to the private clinic - he goes. but those who can't pay it, go to the public service. what's so bad about it?

it's very ironic that mao ze dong's saying that who doesn't work shouldn't eat came to reality to the most extent, of all countries, in corporate america.

but i certainly understand why is heilige terrified of the idea that even the unfortunate ones should have health care. in his eyes, public health care is attack to the human rights and freedoms, but patriot act isn't?
who knows, america might even have to decrease war spendings to implement this, god forbid the idea?
It is NOT the governments job to take care of our needs. The United States of America's government is to be small and it's main purposes are to provide protection for the people, and have a stable currency. All this taxing is unconstitutional and if it doesn't stop we will be a communist regime.
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:10 PM   #19
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It is NOT the governments job to take care of our needs. The United States of America's government is to be small and it's main purposes are to provide protection for the people, and have a stable currency. All this taxing is unconstitutional and if it doesn't stop we will be a communist regime.

so where are all the communist regimes in west europe?

by this statement you show that you don't even know what the communism is.
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:11 PM   #20
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It is NOT the governments job to take care of our needs. The United States of America's government is to be small and it's main purposes are to provide protection for the people, and have a stable currency. All this taxing is unconstitutional and if it doesn't stop we will be a communist regime.


Am I the only one that thinks maybe we need to make reading the fable of The Ant and the Grasshopper mandatory at the beginning of every public school day? Apparently an awful lot of people like Sharas didn't get it.
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:11 PM   #21
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the governments job is not to feed us from cradle to grave. the founders would be in shock if they see how big the government is today. j
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It is NOT the governments job to take care of our needs. The United States of America's government is to be small and it's main purposes are to provide protection for the people, and have a stable currency. All this taxing is unconstitutional and if it doesn't stop we will be a communist regime.


We are not, nor will we ever be a communist country. Guys like Mao from China and Hitler from Germany, those were communist countries. Their attitude was "do what I say or I'll kill you". This country, as well as western Europe, is not like that.
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so where are all the communist regimes in west europe?

by this statement you show that you don't even know what the communism is.
By this statement you show that you don't even know what communism is...
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:16 PM   #24
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We are not, nor will we ever be a communist country. Guys like Mao from China and Hitler from Germany, those were communist countries. Their attitude was "do what I say or I'll kill you". This country, as well as western Europe, is not like that.
Ok keep thinking that, as the income tax gets higher and higher until--- dun dun we give all our money to the government and they decide how much we should spend on health care, on housing, on food...

But it's not communism.
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By this statement you show that you don't even know what communism is...

so you consider western europe and canada communist then, since they have public health care and take care of the citizen needs?

mmmmkay
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:18 PM   #26
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It IS a commodity. Nowhere in the consitution does it say that everyone is entitled to health insurance!

It is a commodity.

You are basically forcing other people to take care of other people and demand that they do it YOUR way and not their way if Government takes over. Government is also people when you get down to it as well. If there are unethical practices out there, then people will raise hell and do something about it.

The BEAUTY of the true free market system is that if we didn't have so much government intervention the market would take care of itself. If you have a company that acts like ****, then another one will pop up that's even better. Maybe that better one is more expensive, but then people will be sick of that and create one that is more affordable and so on. It's the beauty of how the market works.


People telling other people how they must treat others is a total load of ********. It's a survival of the fittest type world and eventhough we are a civilized society, it doesn't mean we are a robin hood society (though it keeps getting pushed towards that way). You are responsible for YOU and no one else. The sooner people get that through their damn heads, the sooner we'll all be better off.

People are good by nature and there will always be helpful solutions. It's the ones that are forced upon us that turn people off of legitimatly helping. You destroy true compassion by force.

I don't mind taking care of those who can not take care of themselves. I do have a problem with those who refuse to take care of themselves because they are waiting for a hand out because they are simply LAZY and refuse to work.

1. that's the 18th century way of thinking. which has been disproven almost a century ago. ever heard of j.m. keynes? ever hear of great economical crisis in 1929? if that what you wrote was true, all economic regulation would be unneeded. all the economical boards, corporate legislation, consumer protection, ministries, councils, everything that connects state with economy, would be obsolete. which is obviously extremely far from the truth. take an economics textbook, you're just showcasing extreme ignorance here. true free market system is a myth that never existed in reality.

2. i beg your pardon? are you really serious by this? and how does this compare to above "survival of the fittest" passage? you just keep contradicting yourself.
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We are not, nor will we ever be a communist country. Guys like Mao from China and Hitler from Germany, those were communist countries. Their attitude was "do what I say or I'll kill you". This country, as well as western Europe, is not like that.

i agree, mao is one of the worse dictators of our time. but this country is headed towards bigger and bigger government. what does that mean? we will lose less freedoms.
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so you consider western europe and canada communist then, since they have public health care?

mmmmkay
no.... but just wait.
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1. that's the 18th century way of thinking. which has been disproven almost a century ago. ever heard of j.m. keynes? ever hear of great economical crisis in 1929? if that what you wrote was true, all economic regulation would be unneeded. all the economical boards, corporate legislation, consumer protection, ministries, councils, everything that connects state with economy, would be obsolete. which is obviously extremely far from the truth. take an economics textbook, you're just showcasing extreme ignorance here. true free market system is a myth that never existed in reality.

2. i beg your pardon? are you really serious by this? and how does this compare to above "survival of the fittest" passage? you just keep contradicting yourself.
Looks like they are well grounded into the education system over in "west Europe".... Unbelievable
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no.... but just wait.

for what? godot?

it's been that way since thirties of the 20th century. still no signs of what you would call communism
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