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Old 02-22-2008, 06:57 PM   #392
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Default Re: Cavs, Bulls, and Sonics 11-player deal with Ben Wallace, L.Hughes, D.Gooden, Wall

The Cavs clearly made out the best in this deal. They get a PG that they needed plus another shooter and 2 servicable big men in Wallace and Smith and when paired with Z and Andy will make the Cavs the top rebounding team in the L. If the Cavs can get everyone healthy and settle into a rotation they can come out of the East this year again.
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:56 PM   #393
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Old 02-23-2008, 12:03 AM   #394
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Old 02-23-2008, 12:09 AM   #395
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I fell asleep at the beginning of the game but man... I was shocked to find out that not only did they win but they scored 135 points. Gordon had 37 points? He can be one of the best guards in the league when he gets on a roll. I hope he can keep that up. Oh and why is anyone still arguing with BULLS? He's a joke.
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Old 02-23-2008, 01:35 AM   #396
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What's the problem with Wally Sczerbiak? I keep reading in reports how he always grates on players and they get sick of him and are glad to hear him leave. Is he a complete ******* or something? Or do they just get tired of his game?
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Old 02-23-2008, 06:13 AM   #397
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Default Re: Cavs, Bulls, and Sonics 11-player deal with Ben Wallace, L.Hughes, D.Gooden, Wall

Chicago Bulls teams' Joakim Noah and Tyrus Thomas seemed superb against Nuggets. Ben Wallece's leaving will be better for both.
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Old 02-23-2008, 07:00 AM   #398
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Default Re: Cavs, Bulls, and Sonics 11-player deal with Ben Wallace, L.Hughes, D.Gooden, Wall

nice to see BULLS alive and well.

the idea of larry hughes as the savior of the bulls is certainly original, if nothing. he shot 37% next to the guy who probably gets most defensive attention in the whole league, but he'll magically start shooting 48% now when he's on the bulls. make sense, i guess.
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Old 02-23-2008, 08:22 AM   #399
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Default Re: Cavs, Bulls, and Sonics 11-player deal with Ben Wallace, L.Hughes, D.Gooden, Wall

hes a poor mans lebron, he wont be a shooter he'll play the way he did with the wizards, getting his points off driving into the lane. he'll shoot well again but he wasnt a good fit if ur building aroung lebron.
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Old 02-23-2008, 08:36 AM   #400
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Default Re: Cavs, Bulls, and Sonics 11-player deal with Ben Wallace, L.Hughes, D.Gooden, Wall

It's strange seeing Ben Wallace in a Cavs jersey. I spent years rooting against him b/c he always played on our arch rival teams. I hope that a change of scenery, being part of a more defensive oriented philosophy, and playing alongside another big man in Z can revitalize him. If this happens, between him and the other 3 in that frontcourt rotation (Z, Andy, Joe Smith), we might have one of the best, most imposing front lines in the NBA. Size, strength, tenacity, and intimidation are all things we can potentially have in high doses.
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Old 02-23-2008, 09:02 AM   #401
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no I don't think he did... hughes shot 37.7 percent so far this season what makes him the best offensive player on the bulls now?
I just felt like pointing out one of his glaring contradictions. It gets boring with repetition, but slapping him around every once in a while is healthy.
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Old 02-23-2008, 11:10 AM   #402
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It's strange seeing Ben Wallace in a Cavs jersey. I spent years rooting against him b/c he always played on our arch rival teams.

Yeah that's really strange. He and Andy are now teammates
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Old 02-23-2008, 12:03 PM   #403
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Default Re: Cavs, Bulls, and Sonics 11-player deal with Ben Wallace, L.Hughes, D.Gooden, Wall

the only thing more improbable than trading ben wallace's contract....

trading larry hughes' contract.

they make about the same but ben is 250lbs of muscle, has tons of experience, and yes a ring or two. larry hughes has a fragile body, bad luck, and occasionally a bad attitude. if you are gonna pay 13-15mil a year for one, who do you take? the big mean defensive center with a ring, not the fragile 2 guard that shoots 37% for 40 games a season then gets hurt. that's basic.

so the only thing more improbably than trading larry hughes' contract?

calling him the best player on the bulls. if that's true now, you guys really are worse off than i thought. what about deng? gordon? heinrich? noah? these guys aren't better than larry freakin hughes? wow. and the bulls fans were talking smack about coming out of the east. never.
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Old 02-23-2008, 12:10 PM   #404
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Default Re: Cavs, Bulls, and Sonics 11-player deal with Ben Wallace, L.Hughes, D.Gooden, Wall

its seems like lots of people like to play the starting line-up game, but this trade is about depth.

pieces. flexibility. mike brown already has the player than no one can cover 1-on-1, but now mike brown can go (very) big, he can go small, he can go half-court get every rebound, he can go early offense and run, he can bust a zone, and now he can burn the box and 1

when you are 3 deep at most of your positions you go that much deeper in the playoffs, you wear down the less-deep teams, and you overcome injuries and off-nights much easier.

to say why get wallace you have andy is dumb. they are similar but not the same (plus andy is like 24). andy has little experience, ben has the all of it.

why get ben when you have z? same thing, it's about depth and complimentary players. z is a shooter, a decent passer, and not a bruiser nor an enforcer. ben is everything he is not (except small).
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