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Old 02-23-2008, 01:33 PM   #406
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I agree that it's pathetic, but that's why they are the Chicago Baby Bulls, the least talented team in the entire league.

Now with that statement I totally disagree with you and 85% of this whole board would agree with me that they're not near the worst in the league and should be a lot better record wise, for the talent they have on their team. Don't even call yourself Bulls if you think the Bulls are the least talentend team. What a ****in joke!
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Old 02-23-2008, 02:31 PM   #408
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They are certainly near the worst in the league. Just look at their record. But talent-wise, they are unquestionably the worst team in the league. Their two best players are Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden. How sad is that?

Before the trade, their two best players (Gordon and Deng) would have been 7th or 8th men on most playoff teams. That's why they struggled this year. There are too many players playing roles they aren't comfortable with. For example, Luol Deng is a starter. On most playoff teams (East or West, doesn't matter), he wouldn't start because he isn't good enough. Same applies to Gordon. However, both of these guys are playing 35+ minutes a game when they really should be playing around 10-15.


R U serious, ANYBODY in there right mind would take Gordon and Deng over Hughes and Gooden in a straight up 2 for 2 deal.
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Old 02-23-2008, 02:41 PM   #410
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Now that Big Ben is gone, how much worse does the Chandler trade look? And they also gave away JR for nothing. Paxson is the worst GM in the league right now.
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Old 02-23-2008, 02:54 PM   #411
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You say that now, because you really haven't seen how overrated Gordon and Deng are. Before this trade went down, if Gordon and Deng were playing on your team, they'd probably play about 7-10 minutes per game. High school LeBron is much better than Deng will ever be, and Hughes is better than Gordon at every facet of this game outside of scoring (where it's very close).


The only thing Gooden and Hughes have on Gordon and Deng is size. Deng and Gooden aren't even in the same sentence talent wise. Deng is Young with a long wingspan and the talent to score 20ppg. he also could develop into a good defender. Gooden is an Enigma he has talent but for every good gm he has 10 bad ones. VERY inconsistant. As far as Hughes goes he is a good role player and plays solid D but his shooting is atrocious at times and he takes bad shots. Gordan is a better scorer and is more clutch. Out of the two Hughes is a little closer value wise. Because he is bigger and can play good D.
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Old 02-23-2008, 03:27 PM   #412
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Now that Big Ben is gone, how much worse does the Chandler trade look? And they also gave away JR for nothing. Paxson is the worst GM in the league right now.

you're reaching now. Paxson traded for Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, and Thabo Sefolosha. that's pure brilliance.

chandler missed dozens of games as a bull due to HEARTBURN! heartburn! take a pepcid you big ***** and get in the game. chandler would still be a soft, overgrown 10 year old if in chicago. he only looks good because he has a hall of fame PG. i'd take Noah any day over tyson chandler. noah is a natural leader and has all of the heart in the world. plus noah will easily average a double-double. but best of all, noah can run the floor better than almost any C in the nba.

JR Smith is a thug. he's classless. he only shows up when he plays the bulls. that's why he can't even start on his squad. it's not like the nugz have utah jazz like depth. smith would never fit on the bulls with his attitude and thug behavior. i'm glad he's tainting denver's locker room and not chicago's. obviously something is wrong in denver because they won't even make the playoffs...paxson made a great trade two days ago. Paxson is one of the best GM's in the league.

the cavs actually believe ben wallace is the big ben of 4 years ago. ask anyone in illinois or anyone in michigan and they will tell you chicago got the best of that trade and it was amazing that paxson was able to trade that $16 million per year contract away. ben is a cancer. who cut that out? paxson cut that cancer out.

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Old 02-23-2008, 03:38 PM   #413
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you're reaching now. Paxson traded for Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, and Thabo Sefolosha. that's pure brilliance.

chandler missed dozens of games as a bull due to HEARTBURN! heartburn! take a pepcid you big ***** and get in the game. chandler would still be a soft, overgrown 10 year old if in chicago. he only looks good because he has a hall of fame PG. i'd take Noah any day over tyson chandler. noah is a natural leader and has all of the heart in the world. plus noah will easily average a double-double. but best of all, noah can run the floor better than almost any C in the nba.

JR Smith is a thug. he's classless. he only shows up when he plays the bulls. that's why he can't even start on his squad. it's not like the nugz have utah jazz like depth. smith would never fit on the bulls with his attitude and thug behavior. i'm glad he's tainting denver's locker room and not chicago's. obviously something is wrong in denver because they won't even make the playoffs...paxson made a great trade two days ago. Paxson is one of the best GM's in the league.

the cavs actually believe ben wallace is the big ben of 4 years ago. ask anyone in illinois or anyone in michigan and they will tell you chicago got the best of that trade and it was amazing that paxson was able to trade that $16 million per year contract away. ben is a cancer. who cut that out? paxson cut that cancer out.


To be honest, after the way we played last night, I almost don't even want Hughes or Drew to play for the Bulls.

I loved the rotation Boylan played last night, and the minutes allotted to Noah, Thomas, Gray, etc.
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, this dude BULLS really sounds like he believes the sh*t he's writing.

How creepy is that?
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Old 02-24-2008, 09:02 AM   #415
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Chicago Bulls seems to win after trade. They send Ben Wallce's contract. Ben Gordon is now happy:)
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Old 02-24-2008, 12:16 PM   #416
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On nba 2k8 i always try to trade for gooden.... hes not all star but he has a good jump shot and is smart... if you watched last years play-offs gooden was a big part of cavs winning.. A VERY BIG PART. Lebron will be unhappy having a no hope scorer in place of gooden...

so points for paxson...

Ben wallace - replaced by Drew gooden = A+
-no scorer to good scorer

Joe smith - He was a vet but could not play 30+ minutes without some kind of old man effect. that with the fact that he is about to retire in the next few years. he is a good scorer though and has a nice jump shot... Cavs get a good one....

-But... this frees up play time for tyrus thomas... I dont care what anyone says if tyrus thomas is in the mood to stop shots he can do it to the best of teams ive seen it alot where teams literaly get mad at thomas for being so good defensively A+ for paxson I LIKE TO WATCH NOAH TOO>>>>>

Next part of the trade LARRY HUGHS... maybe he is a bust and has alot of potential not being used... He isnt the bull's first option either.. He actualy is gonna have to earn his time off the bench if he can... Hinrich > hughs gordon > hughs sefelosha > hughs... BUT ive watched countless games where duhon cant buy a basket. SO

REPLACING Duhon with hughs = team gets better A+ for paxson
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Old 02-24-2008, 12:46 PM   #417
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everybody and their Mother thinks the bulls will lose to the rockets tonight so we'll see what happens with gooden and hughes playing...it would be awesome if chicago was able to get a W.

the bulls might play a lot of Gray on Yao but they can play Noah at Center and run Yao right off of the floor. it will be a fun game tonight, no doubt.
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Old 02-24-2008, 12:59 PM   #418
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hes not all star but he has a good jump shot and is smart... if you watched last years play-offs gooden was a big part of cavs winning.. A VERY BIG PART.

No mentally sane Cavs fan would say that Gooden is smart. He's talented but he has a case for most clueless player in the league. It's really frustrating cos if he had a decent bball IQ he could be a good player, but too many times you'll watch him play and say "WTF ?" or "Damn it Drew !!! " He has a nice baseline shot but when he has an open shot from 18 feet he often dribbles right into his man or a double team and launches a heavily contested 15 footer. Things like that. And he can be horrible on defense. He's one of the worst help defenders in the league, he often misses rotations. And he's inconsistent. He can totally dissapear for 5-6 games and then come back with a 20/10 game. You just can't trust the guy. There's a reason why he was never on the floor during crunch time.

And Drew a big part of the Cavs run last year ? He was great in the 1st round, played well against NJ in the semis but was not a difference maker. Miki Moore had a great series against him, he averaged 14.8 points on 60% shooting. Miki Moore ! And against Detroit in the ECF Gooden only averaged 9.2 points, 5.0 rebounds and a 44.4 FG%. And still with his below-average defense. I don't know why you say he was a very big part of the Cavs run.

I miss the man but I certainly don't miss the player. Same with Hughes
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Old 02-24-2008, 01:07 PM   #419
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Gooden just didn't fit in with what the Cavs were doing. he was not the #1 post option in cleveland behind Big Z. and we all know Cleveland's entire play book consists of plays that simply have players clear out of the way for LeBron. in chicago, they'll actually be sharing the ball and gooden can be a 1st post up option if he wants. the cavs never run, but gooden can run with the best of them. that's why he was a star at Kansas with Kirk Hinrich.

to be fair, chicago couldn't use ben wallace correctly because they didn't have any RIP Hamilton's or LeBron James' to balance out his ego. Ben Wallace could be great for Cleveland, but at the end of the day he's really old and is the worst offensive player in NBA History, including free throw percentage so i wonder how much he can help the cavs.

hughes will be free to play his wild style from DC in chicago. he can run up and down the court and slash to the basket at will. in cleveland, he was forced to be a 3rd option and settle for jump shots when lebron james got in a jam. in chicago, he'll be free to attack the basket since he is a big guard and excellent ball handler. he won't be sitting around the perimeter just waiting for a jump shot.

joe smith, if used properly, can be automatic. but i have a feeling he'll get lost in the shuffle. it was real easy to drain buckets when you were often the 1st scoring option for the chicago bulls but now he's got to play next to Bron and that could mess with him a little bit. like when to take the open 18 foot jumper and when to pass to LeBron. also, Paxson was smart. he sold HIGH on Joe Smith. his stock had peaked.

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No mentally sane Cavs fan would say that Gooden is smart. He's talented but he has a case for most clueless player in the league. It's really frustrating cos if he had a decent bball IQ he could be a good player, but too many times you'll watch him play and say "WTF ?" or "Damn it Drew !!! " He has a nice baseline shot but when he has an open shot from 18 feet he often dribbles right into his man or a double team and launches a heavily contested 15 footer. Things like that. And he can be horrible on defense. He's one of the worst help defenders in the league, he often misses rotations. And he's inconsistent. He can totally dissapear for 5-6 games and then come back with a 20/10 game. You just can't trust the guy. There's a reason why he was never on the floor during crunch time.

And Drew a big part of the Cavs run last year ? He was great in the 1st round, played well against NJ in the semis but was not a difference maker. Miki Moore had a great series against him, he averaged 14.8 points on 60% shooting. Miki Moore ! And against Detroit in the ECF Gooden only averaged 9.2 points, 5.0 rebounds and a 44.4 FG%. And still with his below-average defense. I don't know why you say he was a very big part of the Cavs run.

I miss the man but I certainly don't miss the player. Same with Hughes
we dont need him as #1 option thats what cavs did though.. we need him for 20 minutes of smart good plays and he can do that.. By the way mikki moore had 65% fg% all year last year he was the best in the entire NBA at shooting..
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