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Old 04-02-2008, 03:29 PM   #1171
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Lebron has carried his team more than Kobe. Just look at the team the cavs had before the trade and even after the trade...its a crappy team......

LeBron>Kobe.

I started believing it in last year's playoffs......
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Old 04-02-2008, 03:31 PM   #1172
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I don't know why people are so concentrated on recent performances. One or two games does not throw off your rankings in this race. You can't say "Player A had a bad game tonight but Player B had a good game, therefore Player B is front".

It doesn't work like that. The voters are going to take your whole body of work into account.
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Old 04-02-2008, 09:29 PM   #1173
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Lebron has carried his team more than Kobe. Just look at the team the cavs had before the trade and even after the trade...its a crappy team......

LeBron>Kobe.

I started believing it in last year's playoffs......

really?
He has carried his team to 42 victories thus far...good for 4th place in the weaker eastern conference.
Kobe is at 50 wins in the tougher western conference...good for 3rd place...for the most part without Bynum, without Gasol, without Ariza, without Mihm.
So, 50 wins with Odom and Fisher. Hard to say ANYONE has carried his team more than Kobe.
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Old 04-02-2008, 09:38 PM   #1174
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really?
He has carried his team to 42 victories thus far...good for 4th place in the weaker eastern conference.
Kobe is at 50 wins in the tougher western conference...good for 3rd place...for the most part without Bynum, without Gasol, without Ariza, without Mihm.
So, 50 wins with Odom and Fisher. Hard to say ANYONE has carried his team more than Kobe.
Let's be fair...

The Lakers DO NOT have a stellar record in games played without either Bynum or Gasol. Also, the Cavs have been as injury ravaged this season as any team I can remember. There have been only a handful of games this season in which everyone was healthy. They have been missing key pieces all year long... before and after the trade.

Also, about the East-West thing... I believe BOTH the Cavs and Lakers have better winning percentages against the West than they do against the East.

Just sayin'...
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Old 04-02-2008, 10:35 PM   #1175
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ill refrain from giving my opinion since my posts contain zero objectivity........
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Old 04-03-2008, 12:03 AM   #1176
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Let's be fair...

The Lakers DO NOT have a stellar record in games played without either Bynum or Gasol. Also, the Cavs have been as injury ravaged this season as any team I can remember. There have been only a handful of games this season in which everyone was healthy. They have been missing key pieces all year long... before and after the trade.

Also, about the East-West thing... I believe BOTH the Cavs and Lakers have better winning percentages against the West than they do against the East.

Just sayin'...

I hear ya. but the Lakers have a winning record without Bynum and without Gasol.
OK, so the Cavs have had injuries too.
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Old 04-03-2008, 12:10 AM   #1177
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Now that Kobe has 2/3's of his frontline, expect him to return to his level of play from February.
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Old 04-03-2008, 01:05 AM   #1178
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Also, about the East-West thing... I believe BOTH the Cavs and Lakers have better winning percentages against the West than they do against the East.

lakers are 14-9 against the west top 8 .609
cavs' 5-11 .313

lakers are 9-7 against the east top 8 .563
cavs 12-11 .511

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Old 04-03-2008, 01:30 AM   #1179
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well kobe cdertainly helped his case tonight 36 pts on 10-16 shooting 13 boards and 7 assists........
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Old 04-03-2008, 02:25 AM   #1180
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lakers are 14-9 against the west top 8 .609
cavs' 5-11 .313

lakers are 9-7 against the east top 8 .563
cavs 12-11 .511


Come on, gts...

You are missing the point. Obviously, team records aren't going to be as good against the best teams as they are against the worst teams. However, the argument of East v. West includes BOTH very good teams and very poor teams. I don't see how these statistics prove my statement any less valid.

I will also note that a team may have been in the top 8 when the Cavs played them (Golden State and Portland, for example) and have since dropped out. To me, it is how well a team is playing at the time of the game, not how well they are playing now.

If we really want to start splitting hairs like this, the Cavs are 2-0 against the Lakers.

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Old 04-03-2008, 02:47 AM   #1181
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Can we please bring all the stupid Kobe threads in here please.
Just bring them all in here...all the vs. crap.....all the MVP crap....everything and make this the ultimate Kobe thread!!!

Mod please!!!!
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Old 04-03-2008, 02:56 PM   #1182
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mike tirico sp* on espn is a MVP voter, and today they were discussing the MVP award in general and he read the ballot
i'm paraphrasing here but you'll get the idea...
it says something like this

" thank you, you have been selected to take part in voting for the NBA's most valuble player award, please submit your 5 choices"

10 points for 1st
7 for 2nd
5 for 3rd
3 for 4th
2 for 5th

thats it no, gudelines no nothing, just a welcome note. 5 empty lines and a return envelope
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Old 04-03-2008, 08:15 PM   #1183
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mike tirico sp* on espn is a MVP voter, and today they were discussing the MVP award in general and he read the ballot
i'm paraphrasing here but you'll get the idea...
it says something like this

" thank you, you have been selected to take part in voting for the NBA's most valuble player award, please submit your 5 choices"

10 points for 1st
7 for 2nd
5 for 3rd
3 for 4th
2 for 5th

thats it no, gudelines no nothing, just a welcome note. 5 empty lines and a return envelope

10 points for LeBron James
7 points for Chris Paul
5 points for Amare Stoudemire
3 points for Tim Duncan
2 points for Kevin Garnett
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Old 04-03-2008, 10:16 PM   #1185
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MVPs cannot be outplayed by Larry Hughes at home.

Kobe got outplayed by J-Rich at home last week
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