I haven't heard the Rick Ross cd, but all the tracks that I've heard by him are whack as ****. His only song I listen to is Chevy Ridin' High and only for the hook. One of my favorite hooks, but the lyrics on the track are just garbage.
Jeezy has some ridiculous beats that wreck hella hard, but dude kills all of them with his flow. If I listen to he is tracks I can only get through his songs by not paying attention to the lyrics.
To me, The Clipse are probably the only people I can think of right now who have been able to match tight production with good lyrics.
Bahahah Clipse got agood flow but their lyrics are just as bad as most rappers, do nothing but rap about money, cars, hoes, etc.
Dr.Dre makes his own beats, Clipse doesnt, whats your point? Dre has reinvented the game time and time again, has Clipse?
You're praising Dre when Dre doesnt even write his own rhymes. And dissing the Clipse while you're at it like they arent better rappers. They are. Dre as a producer? THere is no debate, discussion. Dre rappin? Clipse wins out. This topic is about bad rap music, not wack producers idiot.
And Dre has been known to use ghostproducers as well. Scott Storch, Daz, couple other cats that slip my mind used to produce beats and Dre comes in, changes a few things and puts his name on it. As a producer tho even with that he is elite. And he can make albums, not just songs. But as far as rap? Pfft, if anything he can have the title of the best rapping producer. Then Kanye just enters my mind and ah well.
Dre rarely flaunts about his money, look at my bling etc, besides even if he did it would still be 100x better than Clipse, cant belive you comparing a legend to those 2 scrubs :rollingeyes:
So that's just his money. We all know Dre constantly raps about hoes, which was one of the things that you listed as what was a "problem" you had with Clipse. Since Clipse has good lyricists, my question to you is what's wrong with rapping about those topics when you do it well? Dre does it, so why can't they?
Have you guys heard the new DJ Shadow album that leaked earlier this week? I've been a shadow fan since Endtroducing (one of the greatest albums ever) and followed him around and when I read about the new album I just about threw up. David Banner? It sounded like Shadow had sold out.
I couldn't have been further from the truth. It's amazing and one of the best albums I've heard all year, it's that good.
Dr. Dre is a bad rapper, a great beat maker. But the things he is saying don't have any profound effect.
Kanye West, isn't a great rapper... he's average, but he is killer at making beats, and more importantly. MAKES MUSIC. And the things he says in his songs, are true. It isn't phony ****. It's real. It's heart felt, even though at time... a bit blunt. But that's good music. And when he does rap about repeditive ****, like "money, hoes, etc." it is actually original and good. See: Gold Digger.