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Old 03-31-2008, 02:22 AM   #1
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Default Is it possible that the Lakers training staff could be to blame for all the injuries?

Is our crappy training staff and program to blame for all of our injuries? I don't know if our medical staff is crappy, I'm just asking if it is. Sure some of it could be attributed for bad luck, but it happens like every year? I was just reading that SI article about Shaq and it was talking about how the Miami staff just blamed Shaq's pain on him being lazy and not wanting to play, and then the Phoenix staff figured out it was he had stiffness and an injury in his left hip and they work that part of him for like 2 hours everyday now and Shaq says all the pain just went away. The article also said the Phoenix staff work hard to get every single bit of flexibility out of every joint of every player. Now I assumed that of all NBA teams the training staffs were all pretty similar, but reading that article made it seem to me that there is more our medical and training staff could be doing. What do you all think?
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Old 03-31-2008, 07:13 AM   #2
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Default Re: Is our crappy Training staff to blame for all the injuries?

Whats wrong with you? How could the staff predict and prevent a player falling on another player's foot? I think the Lakers has one of the best training staff in the NBA.
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Old 03-31-2008, 08:54 AM   #3
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Default Re: Is it possible that the Lakers training staff could be to blame for all the injuries?

I would find it hard that a particular training staff could be to blame for injuries... they all have access to and spend a lot of money to make sure their athletes are at peak performance.... heck the gravity free treadmill that Bynum has been training on costs $75,000 freaking dollars!!!

Shaq's comments in SI are a dodge... the reality was that Shaq had checked out of the season in Miami and quit on his team and needed someone to blame. Have you not noticed he's been running his mouth blaming everyone but himself... typical Shaq unfortunately.


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Old 03-31-2008, 10:42 AM   #4
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Default Re: Is it possible that the Lakers training staff could be to blame for all the injuries?

Some things cant be prevented. Injuries like rolling an ankle, straining a knee is not the trainers fault. How could they have prevented those injuries? Its not like they had naggiong injuries, the injuries they sustained were from accidents on the court. Shaq is a bad example to compare with.
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Old 03-31-2008, 11:47 AM   #5
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Default Re: Is it possible that the Lakers training staff could be to blame for all the injur

You can't blame a staff for injuries that occur.

However Im going to ask...why does it take much longer for our players to return?
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:07 PM   #6
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You can't blame a staff for injuries that occur.

However Im going to ask...why does it take much longer for our players to return?

Is this a reasonable question? I don't know... part of me thinks the Lakers do a bad job as an organization of managing the expectations of its fans when it comes to injuries... they seem to set expectations for early comebacks, and then we often seem to be disappointed when those dates are not met.

Under promise and over deliver is what I believe.


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Old 03-31-2008, 12:10 PM   #7
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You can't blame a staff for injuries that occur.

However Im going to ask...why does it take much longer for our players to return?

You can blame them for not preparing our players correctly maybe

but yes, all our injuries take longer than expected.

among the most injured team in the past 3 years are the rockets. look at their training staff, absolutely terrible..they dont even realize how serious their injuries are (see: yao playing with the stress fracture without even knowing, and tmac earlier in the season as well). on the other hand, the suns are among the healthiest bunch with guys like nash having a back problem, amare's recent knee problems, hill's age, and shaq..thats a staff that knows what its doing.
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Default Re: Is it possible that the Lakers training staff could be to blame for all the injur

I mean seriously,

Like Sizzle said about phoenix, those guys are playing with some tough injuries and yet they seem to be very very healthy...and whats more is Shaq is healthy too.

And whats up with this bull**** that we always hear from the staff about "Oh Mihm is a slow healer....Ariza heals slow....Bynum might be a slow healer."

They are always making ridiculous comments that have no relevance to why the hell did this player return WHEN HE WAS SUPPOSED TO!

Remember Karl Malone? I remember Karl Malone....was reportedly diagnosed wrong and missed 4 torturous months....and people, please remember that he was a player that had a record for playing in so many games.

He came to LA and that reputation of his health just went away so fast it pissed me off as well as most of you Im sure.

God bless the warriors on our team named Kobe and derek fisher for coming through in their toughest times.
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Default Re: Is it possible that the Lakers training staff could be to blame for all the injuries?

Sorry, you guys are looking at the effect and trying to establish the cause when it may not be the case at all.

I just don't see the trainers being any worse than anyone else in the league... and I am sure other teams experience similar... just look at the Clippers, Rockets, etc... ALL teams seem to suffer injuries and longer than expected recovery times. Its part of the game.

Hey sizzle, by the way, when did you become an exert on training staffs?



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Is this a reasonable question? I don't know... part of me thinks the Lakers do a bad job as an organization of managing the expectations of its fans when it comes to injuries... they seem to set expectations for early comebacks, and then we often seem to be disappointed when those dates are not met.

Under promise and over deliver is what I believe.


yep...
i'll add that teams give false information all the time to keep other teams off balance and guessing... example bynum goes down, if the lakers come out and say he's gone until the playoffs, memphis now has leverage in the gasol deal..
the whole league knew gasol was available and i'm sure that many knew the lakers had been discussing gasol with memphis quite some time, long before bynum went down.
does anyone doubt for a second a guy like cuban wouldn't take that moment to muddy up any gasol deal with the lakers if he had a chance?

and before the training staff is blamed look to the coaching staff too and how they regulate players conditioning requirements, look at shaq all those years and phils dealing with the problem, or lack of dealing with the problem..
some teams require players to meet certain levels of conditioning does phil? he seems to take a more hands off approach and leave it up to the players to be prepared to play...

skiles required players to tape ankles for practice, does the lakers coaching staff?

as for the suns staff get over it, nash has back problems, he plays through them, they have not gone away have they? amare missed an entire season, he must be a slow healer too... as for shaq isn't it painfully obvious by now he was tanking in miami, he's as much admitted now so lets not give the suns staff a gold medal

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yep...
i'll add that teams give false information all the time to keep other teams off balance and guessing... example bynum goes down, if the lakers come out and say he's gone until the playoffs, memphis now has leverage in the gasol deal..
the whole league knew gasol was available and i'm sure that many knew the lakers had been discussing gasol with memphis quite some time, long before bynum went down.
does anyone doubt for a second a guy like cuban wouldn't take that moment to muddy up any gasol deal with the lakers if he had a chance?

and before the training staff is blamed look to the coaching staff too and how they regulate players conditioning requirements, look at shaq all those years and phils dealing with the problem, or lack of dealing with the problem..
some teams require players to meet certain levels of conditioning does phil? he seems to take a more hands off approach and leave it up to the players to be prepared to play...

skiles required players to tape ankles for practice, does the lakers coaching staff?

as for the suns staff get over it, nash has back problems, he plays through them, they have not gone away have they? amare missed an entire season, he must be a slow healer too... as for shaq isn't it painfully obvious by now he was tanking in miami, he's as much admitted now so lets not give the suns staff a gold medal

its just frustrating how frequent guys on this team go down, how long they take time to heal, and how their injuries always seem worse than they look. couldnt be a coinicidence, can it?

you're right though, it may also fall on the coaching staff's shoulders

oh and about phx, they really do have a great great staff. nash is able to cope with his back problems just fine. amare doesnt even look like he ever had microfracture surgery. grant hill, who was very injury prone in the past is now playing 35 mins/gm and has no problem with that ankle..and most recently, raja bell went down with a bad looking ankle sprain..came back 2 games later or so.

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its just frustrating how frequent guys on this team go down, how long they take time to heal, and how their injuries always seem worse than they look. couldnt be a coinicidence, can it?

you're right though, it may also fall on the coaching staff's shoulders

or, it may be that the Lakers are pretty much like any other team in the league and we just happen to have some players that are injury prone???



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Oh one thing I wanna add, I'm not saying medical/training staff is to fully blame for the injuries...players get hurt all the time, Im just suggesting that they may not be doing a very good job handling these injuries...
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or, it may be that the Lakers are pretty much like any other team in the league and we just happen to have some players that are injury prone???




lol i guess it could be that simple but when will it stop
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lol i guess it could be that simple but when will it stop

the million dollar question we all hope can be answered!!!!!



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