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Old 06-17-2006, 08:58 PM   #16
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Attendance (or lack therefore) showed fans aren't going to the arena jsut to see iverson, anymore
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Old 06-17-2006, 11:22 PM   #17
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Not in Philly, but I think there was a lot of frustration with the overall organization as well. Especially when you trade a popular hometown player in Marc Jackson for nothing and cut an even more popular hometown guy in McKie, just so Comcast can save some money by getting under the luxury tax.

Philly was still actually the second highest draw in the league on the road.
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Old 06-17-2006, 11:24 PM   #18
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Marc Jackson isn't too good, though. And Aaron McKie is old and washed up. Those two players aren't a good reason to not want to support a team anymore
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Old 06-18-2006, 08:35 AM   #19
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Neither one are very good, both played big roles on the team. They were both major lockerroom guys that were respected, something the Sixers really didn't have much of this season. Jackson was a very solid player for the Sixers in '04'-'05. 12 and 6 off the bench traded for literally nothing, bothered me and I know a lot of other Philly fans. While I understood cutting McKie, combine in it with the other factors and it was another factor to be frustrated with the organization. It wasn't that they just lost these guys, it's that they traded or let them go and go zero in return just so a huge corporation like Comcast could save some money.
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Old 06-18-2006, 09:55 AM   #20
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You can't get anything in return for mckie anymore, though.

Marc Jackson you can get a second round pick or a minor player who plays 10mins
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Old 06-18-2006, 11:43 AM   #21
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The organization as a whole looks a bit foolish right now. Between the three different coaches in 4 years (or whatever it was), the terrible GM moves (Dalembert/Korver contracts, salary cap situation) and the fact that their two most popular players made a mockery of fan appreciation day by showing up late and not even playing, I think it is time to start over. Trading AI probably isn't the most popular thing to do because he is a HOF'er, a warrior and still an all-star in this league, but it is the smartest. They should try and trade Webber (if they can find ANYTHING in return) and Dalembert and his bloated contract. The organization needs to start fresh and get new blood in the building. It'll hurt for a while, but in the long run it is the best move.
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Old 06-18-2006, 02:53 PM   #22
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You can't get anything in return for mckie anymore, though.

Marc Jackson you can get a second round pick or a minor player who plays 10mins

That's the point, though. If you can get anything in return, don't move them. I can understand the cutting of McKie with his big deal, but when you replace him with Lee Nailon, who then in turn trade to Cleveland and have to give Cleveland your second round pick this year on top of that just for them to take them, that bothers fans, all so again they didn't have to pay the luxury tax.

As for M-Jack, I think they could get more than that for him and that's the point if you can't get an even enough trade, don't move him. He was 12 and 5 in 25 minutes a game and while he wasn't a great defender, he was solid enough and often directed the defense because he was a smart player.

All so that a multi-billion dollar corporation could save money. Yeah, I can understand why people didn't come out to games. From what I've heard it's a small portion that may not be big on AI anymore, but the main problem is frustration with Billy King and the organization as a whole.

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Old 06-18-2006, 02:55 PM   #23
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And Korver's contract is not bad. For what he gives the team and the fact that he comes back each season improved, I'll take a contract that tops out at 5 million. It's not his fault he was asked to do more than he should.
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Old 06-18-2006, 05:17 PM   #24
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what exactly does he give the team though? he is a 3 ball specialist. that's it. this past season he regressed. maybe not statistically, but if you watched every game like i did you'd see it. 5mill for a guy that should be playing 10-15 mpg seems a bit much that's all.
you are right that it's not his fault he plays 32 mpg because they don't have anyone else.
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Low attendance is not Iverson's fault, it is Billy King's one, because, while AI's career is getting closer to its end, he has not been able to put together a good team you could say is a contender. Even in 2001, their best season, nobody thought they were going to get the ring, as they did not have any depth. They are going nowhere right now, and if they are going to trade one of the best guards in history, they should get something really really appealing. If not, that will prove again BK is not worth what owners think. That is my opinion.
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Old 06-18-2006, 06:17 PM   #26
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what exactly does he give the team though? he is a 3 ball specialist. that's it. this past season he regressed. maybe not statistically, but if you watched every game like i did you'd see it. 5mill for a guy that should be playing 10-15 mpg seems a bit much that's all.
you are right that it's not his fault he plays 32 mpg because they don't have anyone else.

Kyle spreads the floor on offense, opening things up for the entire team and especially AI. Which is huge on this team, since they really lack a lot of good outside shooters. He's proven to be a solid rebounder and passer and is does a decent job in terms of team defense. Tell me how he regressed? Did he have a post-up game in the previous season? He clearly improved his mid-range game from the previous season? And he no doubt added muscle. Should he consistently be playing 32 minutes and starting, probably not. But to say 10-15 is ridiculous. He should be one of the first guys off the bench and should be playing anywhere around 25 minutes a night, more if he has the hot hand.
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Old 06-19-2006, 09:49 AM   #27
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first of all, his defense is straight up poor. Too slow & not strong enough. He scores 11 a night and gives up a lot more than that way too often.
If you call a fade-away jumper post game then ok he's got a post game. Still can't take anyone in the league off the dribble.
As far as regressing, too many times last year did he miss his first few shots then passed up on open ones later in the game. Especially the end of the year when they were battling for a playoff spot. He tightened up so bad in certain games...it was disappointing. In theory you are right, he SHOULD be able to open the floor up, but in this case they practically left him wide open and doubled AI knowing he would either hesitate and miss or give up the shot completely. That's why he regressed.
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Old 06-19-2006, 10:51 AM   #28
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Korver really isn't good enough and versatile enough to be a full-time starter. He's best as a sixth or 7th man. If he plays starter minutes, it's just a sign that the team needs an upgrade at the position
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first of all, his defense is straight up poor. Too slow & not strong enough. He scores 11 a night and gives up a lot more than that way too often.

His team defense is solid. He's in the right position and rotates properly, if the rest of the team did that Kyle wouldn't be exploited so badly. Of course he's a poor man to man defender when he has to guard athletic swings, but if you had team defense and big men who played smart defense and good team defense, it wouldn't be exploited like it is.

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If you call a fade-away jumper post game then ok he's got a post game.

When you go on the block, back your man down, for an easy short jumper or turnaround that's a post game.

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Still can't take anyone in the league off the dribble.

Doesn't have to. That's not his role.

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As far as regressing, too many times last year did he miss his first few shots then passed up on open ones later in the game. Especially the end of the year when they were battling for a playoff spot. He tightened up so bad in certain games...it was disappointing.

Honestly, I can rarely remember Kyle passing up open shots.

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In theory you are right, he SHOULD be able to open the floor up, but in this case they practically left him wide open and doubled AI knowing he would either hesitate and miss or give up the shot completely. That's why he regressed.

I really don't know what you were watching. AI wasn't doubled nearly as much in years past and Kyle rarely passed up open shots, in fact teams were so fearful of Kyle they often would lock a man to him as much as possible. Kyle opened up the floor on offense, it's not even arguable and he in no way regressed from the past season.

Again, his contract is not bad. He made 3.6 this past season and it it's highest point he'll make 5. That's not a bad deal for one of the top shooters in the entire league, who has shown improvement in each season.


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Korver really isn't good enough and versatile enough to be a full-time starter. He's best as a sixth or 7th man. If he plays starter minutes, it's just a sign that the team needs an upgrade at the position

Exactly, the point. He was put in a role unfair to him, doesn't mean his contract is bad.
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Old 06-20-2006, 09:36 AM   #30
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i respect your opinion and agree with you in that he is in a role he shouldn't be and that is the FO fault. The fact that he is out there 30mpg makes him an easy target when all he can do is launch 3's. oh..and post up people like earl boykins.
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