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Old 06-08-2008, 05:33 PM   #16
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Gobb, I'm 95% sure that this guy is wrong when it comes to cap holds. Do you know anything about cap holds? It looks to me like Iggys cap hold will be 3.8 mil which is his qualifying offer
i think stat that's the amount (3.8) if he doesn't take the qualifying offer which can be much larger.
if he turns down the qualifying offer that how much he'll play for next season
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Old 06-08-2008, 05:34 PM   #17
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Great stuff GOBB. Hopefully this is stickied. I really could do with a quick reference guide like this to access.

Obviously less important, but you could also add a more detailed explanation on what 'Bird rights' exactly are and the difference between Bird rights, Early Bird rights and Non-Bird rights.

Another thing also could be the NBA 'Soft Cap'. I'm not too familiar with this, as in a simulation league I currently participate in uses a Hard Cap so still figuring out the main differences between them. Correct me if I'm wrong as I really don't follow these sports but don't the NFL and NHL have a hard cap instead of a soft cap? All I really know is a soft cap is far more lenient towards teams who are over cap space.

Finally, perhaps an explanation on Luxury cap/tax? This is something I know very little about.

Obviously these are just suggestions and aren't necessary, just would help some people out, mainly for my own benefit really.

Obviously its harder to relate these topics to what teams are currently doing, but rather than just make it an 08 FA Period guide, just make it a more general guide to Salary Cap and the various topics surrounding it?
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UK if you follow the link i posted all those questions are answered there
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interesting. Hadn't heard of cap holds before.wonder how those are calculated
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interesting. Hadn't heard of cap holds before.wonder how those are calculated
projected salary for the next year...

with rookie contracts is just done by the scale provided in the CBA for first year contracts
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The soft cap means that teams can exceed the salary cap in certain situations including re-signing their own free agents and using the various exceptions. For example, Philly could go over the cap to re-sign Andre Igoudala but not Elton Brand, since he is from another team. Similarly, teams like Boston and LA, who are WAY over the cap can use the mid-level exception this summer to sign free agents.

Also, I'd like to find some more info on cap hold, and base year contract status if anyone knows where to find it.
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projected salary for the next year...

with rookie contracts is just done by the scale provided in the CBA for first year contracts

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Salary Cap Fundamentals
Here are a couple of basic concepts for those that don't fully understand the nuances of the cap.

1. The salary cap this year is $55.63M. That's up from $53.13M last year. The cap is based on a percentage of the projected basketball related income for the league. For the purposes of this analysis, I'm going to assume that the salary cap next year is $58M, an increase of roughly the same amount as last year.

2. To compute a team's cap number, you add up the salaries of each signed player, plus the cap holds for any free agents that a team wishes to resign, plus cap holds for draft picks, plus enough minimum salary contracts so that the total team roster size is 11.

3. A "cap hold" is the calculated salary slot that a team must reserve for a free agent if they want to retain that free agent's "Bird rights". That is, if they want to be able to exceed the cap to resign the free agent. In order for a team to not be charged a cap hold, they must renounce that free agent, which means they cannot resign them. Oftentimes, the cap hold is bigger than the actual salary that the player is likely to get. If a free agent is quickly resigned, then the player's new salary becomes the cap figure and the cap hold is no longer calculated.

4. All teams can utilize the Mid-Level Exemption (MLE). The MLE is the value of the average of all player salaries. This year, the MLE is $5.36M, up from $5.21M last year. I'm going to assume that the MLE will be $5.5M next year. So effectively, a team isn't really under the cap until they have more than 5.5M in cap space. Anything less would mean that it's more advantageous to use the MLE rather than cap space. Any team with a payroll of $52.5M or greater will not be a significant player in free agency and I consider them to be over the cap for the purposes of this analysis.

Teams Over the Cap:

The following teams are well over the cap. There aren't any foreseeable trades or transactions that could conceivably get then under the cap. They will only have the MLE available to them in free agency. (And many will choose not to use it because of luxury tax ramifications.)

Boston
Cleveland
Dallas
Denver
Detroit
Houston
Indiana
L.A.Lakers
Miami
Milwaukee
Minnesota
New Jersey
New Orleans
New York
Orlando
Phoenix
Portland
Sacramento
San Antonio
Toronto
Utah


Teams that Could Get Under the Cap, but Probably Won't

Charlotte
Charlotte has a base payroll of about $43.0M next year. (I don't know Matt Carroll's exact salary but it's somewhere in the $3.5M range.) If you add in about $2.4M for a number 8 draft pick, the cap figure jumps to $45.4M. This payroll figure does not include the salary of Okafor. Okafor is a free agent with a cap hold of $13M (the max salary). Okafor will almost surely get resigned, probably for something in the $9-12M range. If he doesn't get resigned, or if somebody else offers more money and Charlotte declines to match, then Charlotte could end up with about $13M in cap space.

Chicago
Chicago has a projected payroll next year of about $41.5M. (I can't find the exact breakdown of Nocioni's new contract, but I know it's 5 years, $35M, so I'm assuming $6.5M next year.) That salary figure does not count Deng and Gordon who are free agents. However, their cap holds are huge: $9.9M for Deng and $13M for Gordon. So the Bulls are well over the cap until they make a decision on both players. Conceivably, the Bulls could sign Deng for something in the $8M range (like C.Butler and J.Howard) and then renounce Gordon and have about $8M in cap space. Chances are, they'll resign both players and they'll have no cap space.

Golden State
Golden State has a projected payroll of $47.2M. Baron Davis has a player option, but since his salary is $17M and nobody else figures to offer him anything near as much, I don't see Davis exercising that option. Andris Biedrins is a free agent and Golden State will surely resign him. His cap hold is $7.9M and his likely salary will probably be in that range as well. That pushes Golden State up to a salary of $55M or so. They also have to fill out their roster with minimum salary vets and draft picks, which should add another $3M at least. Basically, if Golden State unwisely renounces Biedrins, they'll have about $8M in cap space and a 6-man roster with no MLE or LLE available. I don't see that happening. Monta Ellis is also a free agent but his cap hold is just $750K.

L.A.Clippers
The Clippers will have a payroll of $53.2M if they renounce Livingston. They'll have to add a draft pick and 3 minimum salary vets to get to an 11-man roster so that means a payroll of about $56M, which means no effective cap room. However, Brand and Maggette have player options. They are due $16.4M and $8.4M respectively. I seriously doubt Brand will exercise his option given that he makes a ton and is coming off an injury. Maggette might be more inclined to do so, but I doubt it. If Maggette does exercise his option, the Clippers could have about $10M in cap space.

Washington
Jamison is a free agent and Arenas is opting out. That leaves Washington with a payroll of $42.1M. Add in a cap hold for their draft pick and a minimum salary vet and it's about $44M, giving the Wizards about $14M in cap room. However, it is highly likely that both Jamison and Arenas will resign, rendering the Wizards over the cap. (Note, the cap holds for Arenas and Jamison are easily enough to keep them over the cap. The Wizards would have to renounce both Jamison and Arenas to have cap room. That's not happening.)
One interesting wrinkle is that there is the potential that Etan Thomas retires because of his heart condition. If he does, his $6.8M salary comes off the books. If Etan departs, Jamison is renounced, and Arenas resigns for a somewhat low figure of about $12M, the Wizards could have about $8M in cap space.


Teams that Could Get Under the Cap, and Probably Will

Seattle
Seattle has a cap figure of $53.7M which jumps to about $57.2M if you add in the cost of a #4 overall draft pick. They have no significant free agents that they would be looking to resign. They do have a boatload of draft picks and a handful of players on relatively short contracts whom they might be able to unload at the trade deadline. Wilcox is certainly movable, and dumping his $6.75M salary would put them under the cap. Guys like Ridnour and Watson ($6.5M and $6.2M respectively) are reasonably effective players whom they might not be able to dump outright, but they could probably bribe someone to take off their hands if they sacrifice one or two of Phoenix' first round picks.


Teams that Will Be Under the Cap

Atlanta
Atlanta has a projected payroll of $39.9M. They traded their pick to Phoenix so they won't have a high pick to tack onto their cap figure. Their cap figure does not include Josh Smith, Josh Chidress or Anthony Johnson, all of whom are free agents. Josh Smith will almost certainly be resigned. Interestingly, his cap hold is only $6.7M, which is likely to be less than his future salary. If Atlanta operates quickly, they may be able to grab a free agent before resigning Josh Smith and having to utilize his new salary for his cap number. Chidlress's cap hold is much higher: $10.9. His cap hold puts them over the cap. If the Hawks renounce Childress, their cap figure will be $46.6M, giving them $11.5M in cap space. If they sign him to a modest deal of about $4M, they'll have $7.5M in cap space. If they renounce both Smith and Childress, they'll have $18M in cap space.

Memphis
After the Gasol trade, Memphis' payroll is $44.2M next year. Add in a lotto pick and the Lakers pick, and the payroll goes up another $4-5M. That leaves them with $9-10M in cap room. The big question is if they want to be a player in the free agent market or if they're just cutting payroll to make it easier to sell the team.

Philadelphia
Philadelphia's projected payroll is just $34.6M, but that doesn't include Iguodala and their draft pick. Iggy's cap hold is roughly $8.4M, which is probably what he'll cost as a free agent. Their draft pick will cost about $2M. Their payroll next year should therefore be about $47M, giving them $11M in cap room. However, they will probably make a move to dump Andre Miller by the trade deadline. If they can unload him for expiring contracts, they'll add another $10M in cap room. Louis Williams is also a free agent, but his cap hold is just $750K. They should have plenty of breathing room to make a free agent acquisition, and then turn around and sign Williams using Early Bird rights.


Good Free Agents:

The following players are notable free agents who could conceivably cost more than the full MLE. Most are restricted, meaning that their initial teams have the right to match any offer. There are a bunch of other free agents, but most of them will go for the MLE or less so I didn't include them.

Josh Childress (RFA, may be renounced)
Josh Smith (RFA)
Emeka Okafor (RFA)
Luol Deng (RFA)
Ben Gordon (RFA)
DeSagana Diop
Andris Biedrins (RFA)
Monta Ellis (RFA)
Kwame Brown
Jason Williams
Nenad Krstic (RFA)
Ryan Gomes (RFA)
Craig Smith (RFA)
Louis Williams (RFA)
Andre Iguodala (RFA)
Grant Hill
Ron Artest (Player Option)
Jose Calderon (RFA)
Gilbert Arenas
Antawn Jamison
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he hasn't opted out of his contract yet.. he'll be a top line free agent if he does...
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he hasn't opted out of his contract yet.. he'll be a top line free agent if he does...

How long does Marion have for opting out? I think he might opt out since he wanted max money last season. I really wonder if Heat will pay him the max money or not if Marion decides to opt out of it. It really bothers me how many players want max money, even if they are not worth it. Deng, Gordon, Okafor(don't think he wants max money; just a big raise), Iguodala, Arenas, Artest(he doesn't want max money; just wants more) are a few. Some like Lewis still get it even if they don't deserve it.
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Old 06-09-2008, 10:35 PM   #28
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yo dont pin that on me. the guy who typed that listed it.

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How long does Marion have for opting out? I think he might opt out since he wanted max money last season. I really wonder if Heat will pay him the max money or not if Marion decides to opt out of it. It really bothers me how many players want max money, even if they are not worth it. Deng, Gordon, Okafor(don't think he wants max money; just a big raise), Iguodala, Arenas, Artest(he doesn't want max money; just wants more) are a few. Some like Lewis still get it even if they don't deserve it.

Marion is due to make $17mil. I took myself thought like you...opt out and take advantage of a weak free agent class, get a nice 5yr deal at $13-14mil per and that $17mil is easily made up. But its still $17,000,000. Free money. I havent heard any signs of him thinkin bout it. I wont rule it out but it seems less likely. I myself figured opting out and getting your money now as opposed to 2009 where free agent class will be deeper would be the right idea.

That said, only a handful of teams have cap room to even sign a Marion.

Seattle, Memphis, Philly, Atlanta...I dont see Marion leaving $17mil on the table to sign with any of these clubs. Plus factor in Miami, healthy D.Wade. I'd be surprised if he left.
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yo dont pin that on me. the guy who typed that listed it.

But you begged to have this "stickied".....so you deserve some of the blame for any related inaccuracies and idiocy.
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Is there a complete list of free agents somewhere? Say what you want about cap space, but it's usually the veteran signings and the MLE's that put your team from "good playoff team" to "contender".

Boston would go nowhere with the "big three" if it wasn't for guys like Cassell, P.J. Brown, James Posey, etc.

Lakers wouldn't be where they are without younger guys like Farmer, Turiaf, and Sasha.

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