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Old 06-06-2008, 07:55 AM   #76
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Default Re: Head to Head Ray Allen holds Kobe to 23.6 PPG and 43% Shooting.

Maybe kobe's shot was of not that ray played extremely good d, i mean bown>ray in defence.
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:52 AM   #77
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Default Re: Head to Head Ray Allen holds Kobe to 23.6 PPG and 43% Shooting.

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Thats hilarious.

Boston Celtics held Kobe for a 3rd straight game this season, not Ray friggin Allen. I seen Ray J aka J.Posey get in Kobe's shorts mano y mano more than Ray.
Ray and Paul did the same as well. They threw different matchups at the guy. Too much at stake, whatever works. Ray and Paul did a great job of staying on their feets and not falling for the pump fakes. Kobe was never really double except on a few plays.
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Old 06-06-2008, 10:16 AM   #78
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Default Re: Head to Head Ray Allen holds Kobe to 23.6 PPG and 43% Shooting.

Kobe was taking the bait against the Celtics in game 1. He kept trying to penetrate all by his lonesome and that is not the way to break down the Celtics defense. He has also gotten into a lot of bad habits simply because he can get away with it sometimes. He leaves his feet a lot and attempts to make bail out passes on the way down which get picked off.
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Old 06-06-2008, 10:30 AM   #79
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Kobe was taking the bait against the Celtics in game 1. He kept trying to penetrate all by his lonesome and that is not the way to break down the Celtics defense. He has also gotten into a lot of bad habits simply because he can get away with it sometimes. He leaves his feet a lot and attempts to make bail out passes on the way down which get picked off.

truth.

celtics managed to get into his head. he did exactly what they wanted him to do - and that's to try to force the issue against the swarming defense. awesome teamplay and ball movement that brought lakers to the finals simply weren't there last night.

thing is, kobe can dominate any individual defender there is in NBA right now. but the determined, able and aggressive team D is the whole other thing. just ask lebron, who is also impossible to guard 1v1, but got his ass handed to him by spurs last year and by celts this year by the determined TEAM defensive effort. they want kobe to try to force the issue, and he just took the bait last night.
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Old 06-06-2008, 12:45 PM   #80
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Default Re: Head to Head Ray Allen holds Kobe to 23.6 PPG and 43% Shooting.

Tell me Ray didnt hold Kome to 9/ 26 shooting
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Old 06-06-2008, 12:48 PM   #81
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http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...he-Lakers.html

This was a good read. Thanks for posting.
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Old 06-06-2008, 02:07 PM   #82
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Default Re: Head to Head Ray Allen holds Kobe to 23.6 PPG and 43% Shooting.

i felt a few of kobe's shoots went in and out....but over all, the celts did a good job on him...
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Old 06-06-2008, 02:11 PM   #83
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Default Re: Head to Head Ray Allen holds Kobe to 23.6 PPG and 43% Shooting.

Team defense is what is gonna hold kobe down..... not ray allen...
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Old 06-06-2008, 06:17 PM   #84
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Default Re: Head to Head Ray Allen holds Kobe to 23.6 PPG and 43% Shooting.

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http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...he-Lakers.html


Maybe we should let your man henry abbot revisit this topic:

By Henry Abbott | ESPN.com

BOSTON -- Ray Allen the shooter. Ray Allen the gentleman. Ray Allen the ... stopper?

It's a little early for all that. But not as early as you might think.

If Kobe Bryant's poor performance against Allen on Thursday night was a fluke, it was a three-game fluke, not a one-game fluke.

Backed by Boston assistant Tom Thibodeau's schemes, in three games against the Celtics this season, Bryant is shooting a combined 24-for-72 from the floor. That's 33 percent. By shooting 9-of-26 -- 35 percent -- Bryant actually improved his season-long field goal percentage versus the Celtics.

And most of those possessions have come with Allen checking Bryant solo. Help from other Celtics is never far away, but by and large it's Allen's show. "


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...ge=dime-080606
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Old 06-06-2008, 06:23 PM   #85
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Tell me Ray didnt hold Kome to 9/ 26 shooting

Ray Allen didn`t hold anyone to 9/26 shooting. The Celtics played great team defense on Kobe Bryant. Kobe can take Ray Allen whenever he feels like.
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Old 06-06-2008, 06:30 PM   #86
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Ray Allen didn`t hold anyone to 9/26 shooting. The Celtics played great team defense on Kobe Bryant. Kobe can take Ray Allen whenever he feels like.
yep. fact is kobe got alot of perimeter shots off against allen they just didn't drop, but it was the celtics team defense that kept him on the perimeter and out of the paint....
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yep. fact is kobe got alot of perimeter shots off against allen they just didn't drop, but it was the celtics team defense that kept him on the perimeter and out of the paint....

that very well might be the case..but how about in his Sonic days? Did Seattle have a great team defense also?
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:24 PM   #88
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Default Re: Head to Head Ray Allen holds Kobe to 23.6 PPG and 43% Shooting.

I'm not fond of Allen , even though he was the main man in Bucks ol'days.

But even though he got sizzled on from AI , I watched him while on 'D" and Allen will stop directional movement.
What I am refering to AI always liked to move to a strong side - he was positioned on , and Allen denied him from penetrating to that side , forcing the offensive player to move across the court and in doing so pick up another defensive player.

I saw this alittle bit when he did guard Kobe , and for an offensive player it disrupts a player. (It's like forcing the offensive player to go to plan B)

One thing I was surprised about was that the Lakers didn't come out big time hungry and get game 1. This would of potentially ended the series.
Instead their offensive flow was not to Kobe but as a team.
IN a championship game and or series , your best player(s) must take control 100%.
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