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Old 08-24-2006, 04:29 PM   #16
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If you take the songwriting and musical talent of mainstream bands and put it toe to toe with "indy" bands, in almost every case the mainstream people are better singers, better on their instruments, better performers and better songwriters. That's why they get record deals.

A lot of indy and non mainstream bands are really good, but by and large there is a flaw in something they do (songs sound similar, they don't have the capacity to produce more than one good album, they have internal problems, ect)

I'm leaving bubble gum pop and AMerican Idol stuff out of this because a lot of that is based on looks and appearence, but country, rock, punk, heavy, alternative, adult contemporary, jam bands, hip hop and everything else the mainstream people are amazing.
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Old 08-24-2006, 04:32 PM   #17
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outkasts message is that they dont care about the gangsta music, and they do there own thing.. like kanye, common, and other rappers/ musicans..

gangsta rappers dont wear polo shirts, tight ass button down shirts and shades like kanye

old men wear the hats common wears

outkast does there own thing, indenial.. you have to respect it

I don't have to, doesn't mean I can't or won't....I just seems so bandwagon mainstream.....I mean they had that one song that won best song of the year....and they're more popular than real solid musicians such as Chris Cornell and Audioslave..who sing better who is a better songwriter and guitar player who has more NATURAL talent...no comparison!
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Old 08-24-2006, 04:36 PM   #18
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You just named 3 pretty mainstream bands.
Exactly. I know basically NOTIHNG about rock so if i know who a rock group is that means they're mainstream, and i know all 3 of them.
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Old 08-24-2006, 04:40 PM   #19
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I don't have to, doesn't mean I can't or won't....I just seems so bandwagon mainstream.....I mean they had that one song that won best song of the year....and they're more popular than real solid musicians such as Chris Cornell and Audioslave..who sing better who is a better songwriter and guitar player who has more NATURAL talent...no comparison!

Chris Cornell was in Soundgarden, which was a really popular band too, so they really arent much more popular than Outkast.
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Old 08-24-2006, 04:40 PM   #20
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Exactly. I know basically NOTIHNG
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Old 08-24-2006, 04:43 PM   #21
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Try listening to rock then:
Audioslave
Tool
System of a Down

Try those out for a while. Or is mainstream television telling you what good and cool?

I like the part where you named 3 of the most mainstream rock bands and asked the other dudette if he was listening to what the media is telling him is cool.

Yo guys, stop listening to that rap on MTV and start listening to these rappers:
1. Jeezy
2. Rick Ross
3. Nelly
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Old 08-24-2006, 04:44 PM   #22
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i just think outkasts style is uncomparable in music, so i respect there stuff and definitly believe as far as hip hop/r and b, that this is the best album of 2006
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Old 08-24-2006, 05:56 PM   #23
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I don't know if it is the best album, but Oukast is by far the best hip hop duo/Group of all time. They smoke, P.E., BDP, De La, Tribe, EPMD, Furious Five, Whodini, Get Fresh Cru, Wu Tang...all of em.

They only group that gives them comp are Run DMC, but they have a historical relevance that Outkast could never have so they aren't even in the discussion.

But out of the remaining groups, Outkast trumps them on orginality, creativity, lyrical content, style, every level...
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Old 08-24-2006, 06:24 PM   #24
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Dude... Andre3000 (the genius behind Outkast) is one of the most talented musicians in the world. He can sing, dance, play a huge number of instruments... This guy plays the sax in blues clubs in his spare time. You can not like Outkast but don't question Andre's chops. That's just ignorant.
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Old 08-24-2006, 07:07 PM   #25
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It's not rap/hip hop because they don't do that...does that make them pop? R&B? what?

piss off and go listen to some eyedea or some other white fanboy true to stuck in 1994 boombap underground encyclopedia rap.
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Old 08-24-2006, 07:11 PM   #26
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also you can compare outkast with the best bands out there

outkast is the kind of music you can put on for your little nephew or your grandma and they'll like it

it is the kind of music people from the slums like, just as much as the society guys from the marketing dept. like.

truely great music and theyre one of the few hip hop groups who'll get mentioned 50 years from now when talking about great music from this era.


and thats something most 'true' hiphopheads dont like. true hiphopheads want boombap, they want something they listened to 10 years ago. always screaming music is their first love, but they dont give a **** about anything besides that good ol boombap. nothing wrong with boombap but we've heard that already.
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Old 08-24-2006, 07:27 PM   #27
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They arent hip hop?
I never considered them hip hop, songs like "Hey ya" and "Church" seemed more like pop songs than hip hop. but if you disagree, then tell me your definition of hip hop, maybe mine is different.
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piss off and go listen to some eyedea or some other white fanboy true to stuck in 1994 boombap underground encyclopedia rap.
i didn't undertand a word of that, so try again once you know what you're talking about.
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Old 08-24-2006, 07:29 PM   #28
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Elton John and Micheal Jackson are coming out with a duet also ....yeah its entitled dont let your son go down on me.
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Old 08-24-2006, 08:00 PM   #29
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My all-time favorite Outkast album is "ATLiens". A brilliant album. I' have more lukewarm feelings about the albums that followed, though Dre's half of the "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below" was brilliant.

"Idlewild" is good, I'll never really consider this there sixth album because it's a soundtrack, and other artist are featured heavily (Jonae, and Scar in particular).

I've heard that the next official Outkast album will be all rapping, so I'll look forward to that.
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Old 08-24-2006, 08:42 PM   #30
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He can sing, dance, play a huge number of instruments
It's amusing that lay people are so impressed with musicians who play multiple instruments. I guess it's because this day and age, it's rare for a famous entertainer to play any instruments.

Once you know a bit about music, learning instruments is easy. Mastering them is another story, but getting to be as proficient as Andre Benjamin is would taken most professional musicians a week or two.

I'm not saying he's untalented, because he is a great musician. It's just that playing multiple instruments isn't his gift - anybody can do that.
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