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Old 06-25-2008, 11:07 AM   #16
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I think Tyrus is fine at the PF position. He may not be able to guard other strong 4s very well, but that's why we have someone like Noah on the backside for help. With those two guys in the game, you get helpside defense from either player, and that can really help them take some chances to get steals or blocks they might not normally get. And, like it was mentioned before, we have a great combo at SF in Deng and Noc. Why take more minutes away from them?
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Old 06-25-2008, 12:50 PM   #17
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Why is a 6'8" Tyrus Thomas acceptable and a 6'8" Beasley unacceptable at the power forward position?

Also, there has been some chatter regarding Josh Smith not returning to Atlanta. If this is true I think it would be great if the Bulls could acquire him.



Their style of play is so different it's basically non comparable. Tyrus has weak handles mostly and hasn't even truly figured out a mid-range jumper. Beasley already possesses these skills so he's much more perimeter oriented.
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Old 06-25-2008, 12:56 PM   #18
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That's why I worry about Beasley or Rose coming in...the expectations for them will be even higher than they were for Deng/Gordon/Hinrich this season. Beasley might be able to put up the stats, but I do not expect Rose to put up great stats; scoring or assists. Don't forget, Rose didn't have a lot of assists on a high-scoring team at Memphis, and his FTs were awful for a PG. I have a feeling Rose will not let the pressure get to him, but if Beasley starts to slump, it may have a prolonged effect on him, as he is much less mature.

I dont understand this...Rose was the #1 player in his class coming into Memphis, and all he did was lead his team to the national title game. Not only that, he IMPROVED come tourney time and his play during the tournament is one of the reasons he jumped ahead of Beasley. Im sure he can handle the pressure, considering he was lobbying publicly for the Bulls to draft him. The guy is going to be a stud. At this point, I would probably have a stroke if the Bulls drafted Beasley considering everything weve heard. I dont know why hes even in the convo. TT stays at PF and Rose throws him alley oops all day long
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:31 PM   #20
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Their style of play is so different it's basically non comparable. Tyrus has weak handles mostly and hasn't even truly figured out a mid-range jumper. Beasley already possesses these skills so he's much more perimeter oriented.

So, what you are saying is, Beasley's developed perimeter game is actually a disadvantage? Too bad he doesn't ONLY have the ability to play inside. No disrespect, I just don't understand the logic.
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:36 PM   #21
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I dont understand this...Rose was the #1 player in his class coming into Memphis, and all he did was lead his team to the national title game. Not only that, he IMPROVED come tourney time and his play during the tournament is one of the reasons he jumped ahead of Beasley. Im sure he can handle the pressure, considering he was lobbying publicly for the Bulls to draft him. The guy is going to be a stud. At this point, I would probably have a stroke if the Bulls drafted Beasley considering everything weve heard. I dont know why hes even in the convo. TT stays at PF and Rose throws him alley oops all day long


HELL YEA DUD!! GOD I CANT WAIT!! Thank god the cubs are kickin ass right now otherwise i wouldnt be able to wait!
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:58 PM   #22
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So, what you are saying is, Beasley's developed perimeter game is actually a disadvantage? Too bad he doesn't ONLY have the ability to play inside. No disrespect, I just don't understand the logic.



C'mon man, where in the hell did you pick up the idea I was saying Beasley's developed perimeter game is a disadvantage? I understand he can play inside and I have never said any different. But Beasley to me seems like he would play SF more than PF with how well he shoots from distance and with his handles. Comparing him with Tyrus is comparing Beasley to a player who at this point in his career can't really play SF or rarely and has to be PF because of his skill set, and he needs to be a PF for the Bulls regardless with how their roster is constructed.

Them having the same height has nothing to do with the reason they can can't or shouldn't play a certain position. The reason is skill set plain and simple.
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Old 06-25-2008, 04:26 PM   #23
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The Bulls have a perfect combo at SF already in Deng starting and Noc off the bench.

Tyrus doesn't need to be 12-15 ft away from the rim at this point in his career. With Rose around, he needs to set up shop right around the hoop and wait for alley oops and offensive boards all day everyday. Tyrus' jumper is looking a lot better than when he first came in the L, but he still can't dribble and would get in a lot of foul trouble trying to guard SF who are quicker than him, which essentially could be over half the starting SF in the NBA.

IF, and it's a big IF, Tyrus did put on an extra inch to 2 inches like in that article and picture I posted, then he will begin to look like a perfect player at the 4 spot for the Bulls. However even if he is still 6'8, he can still become a very effective PF with all the athletic tools he has that most other PF's don't.

If he has actually grown then that is great, but I don't necessarily have a problem with a 6'8" PF as much as that he is so light right now. Most of what I have posted is based on the hope that he will turn his career around in terms of attitude (with Rose and the new coaches). If he becomes serious about hitting the weights, working on his ball handling and shooting, the sky is the limit. If he is as lazy and uninterested as the reports say he was last year, then he will be a bust.
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If he has actually grown then that is great, but I don't necessarily have a problem with a 6'8" PF as much as that he is so light right now. Most of what I have posted is based on the hope that he will turn his career around in terms of attitude (with Rose and the new coaches). If he becomes serious about hitting the weights, working on his ball handling and shooting, the sky is the limit. If he is as lazy and uninterested as the reports say he was last year, then he will be a bust.



100% agree.
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100% agree.

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Old 06-25-2008, 05:42 PM   #27
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I dont understand this...Rose was the #1 player in his class coming into Memphis, and all he did was lead his team to the national title game. Not only that, he IMPROVED come tourney time and his play during the tournament is one of the reasons he jumped ahead of Beasley. Im sure he can handle the pressure, considering he was lobbying publicly for the Bulls to draft him. The guy is going to be a stud. At this point, I would probably have a stroke if the Bulls drafted Beasley considering everything weve heard. I dont know why hes even in the convo. TT stays at PF and Rose throws him alley oops all day long

I wasn't talking about handling the pressure...I'm sure either of these guys could do that. I'm talking about the lofty expectations that the fans have, and if they don't meet them or feel like they aren't meeting them, what will happen then? People expected a lot out of Big Ben because of the money we spent on him. When he didn't meet those expectations, everyone wanted his head (me included). If you draft someone #1 overall, you expect them to be the cornerstone of your franchise (in most years...Bargnani not included). I just wonder what will happen to the fans if Rose puts up 10 points, 2-3 rebounds, and 4-5 assists in his first year. Those are not great stats, and if Beasley puts up 20/10 like everyone thinks he will, people might start to get agitated and say that Paxson made the wrong move. How will that effect Rose?
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:22 PM   #28
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The general consesus is Beasley is more NBA ready, but selecting Rose is the safest PR move. Pax knows if Rose doesn't deliver on the hype and potential there won't be nearly as much criticism. Likewise, if Beasley is selected and doesn't deliver Pax will never be forgiven. In other words, GM = Popularity contest.
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