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Old 06-30-2008, 05:59 PM   #16
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Default Re: Was Robin Lopez the best defensive big in this years draft?

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Old 06-30-2008, 06:00 PM   #17
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Nyet. Joey Dorsey and Roy Hibbert are much superior goons.



Neither of those guys can defend the pick and roll as well as Robin Lopez...not even close. The reason his rebounding numbers were low is because he spent most of his time chasing guys out on the perimeter, doing lots of switching and he's athletic enough to cover several different positions adequately.


When Brook was injured and Robin was forced to play constantly near the basket, he averaged damn near a double-double every game.
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:10 PM   #18
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Neither of those guys can defend the pick and roll as well as Robin Lopez...not even close. The reason his rebounding numbers were low is because he spent most of his time chasing guys out on the perimeter, doing lots of switching and he's athletic enough to cover several different positions adequately.


When Brook was injured and Robin was forced to play constantly near the basket, he averaged damn near a double-double every game.
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:11 PM   #19
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Are you serious? Joey Dorsey followed by dj white, then lopez and hibbert then prolly some euro cats.

Dorsey is the next Ben wallace havent your heard?
yeah I would put white and dorsey above him. probably even deandre. but white and dorsey cant play the 5.
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:49 PM   #20
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Default Re: Was Robin Lopez the best defensive big in this years draft?

All dorsey needs to do is let his fro out and he probably has 1/2 inch on ben then. DJ white will do nothing, both big men from my area this year are soft, (white and padgett).

The nba is getting smaller due to the speed and athleticism, size and weight will only get you posterized today, these guys could both play the 5 (white and dorsey). esp. if white can get a body on him.
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:53 PM   #21
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Default Re: Was Robin Lopez the best defensive big in this years draft?

dorsey is like 6'4. he should be mentioned anywhere near this topic
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Old 06-30-2008, 07:15 PM   #22
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Hibbert (slow & soft) and Dorsey (small) didn't fit PHX's needs as much as Lopez. They needed a big bodied, high energy player who will do the dirty work defensively, and "Fropez" fits the bill.

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dorsey is like 6'4. he should be mentioned anywhere near this topic


Dorsey might be a "considered short", but he definetley isn't "small". He has a 8'11 standing reach, a 33 inch vertical (which is outstanding for a big) He's 265 pounds at 6'6 .25 and is built like a tank (wide as hell).

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He's a tree stump, who blocks, dunks, and clears out space and rebounds. He plays much bigger than Robin Lopez and was the best defensive big in the draft.

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Old 06-30-2008, 07:20 PM   #23
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Neither of those guys can defend the pick and roll as well as Robin Lopez...not even close. The reason his rebounding numbers were low is because he spent most of his time chasing guys out on the perimeter, doing lots of switching and he's athletic enough to cover several different positions adequately.


When Brook was injured and Robin was forced to play constantly near the basket, he averaged damn near a double-double every game.

"Doresy can't defend the pick and roll", did you even watch him in college? He's one of the most athletic bigs in the draft. People are underestimating him because he's only a little over 6'6.......How big was Charles Barkley?

Chuck Hayes is excellent at defending in the post.......Dorsey has so much more potential than Hayes. Robin Lopez is going to get pushed around in the post, Dorsey already is built like a tank and is going to be immovable down low. He already has one of the best NBA ready bodies in the draft.
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Old 06-30-2008, 07:28 PM   #24
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"Doresy can't defend the pick and roll", did you even watch him in college? He's one of the most athletic bigs in the draft. People are underestimating him because he's only a little over 6'6.......How big was Charles Barkley?
Dorsey's ineffectiveness at pick and roll defense has nothing to do with athleticism. It has to do with focus and technique.
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Dorsey's ineffectiveness at pick and roll defense has nothing to do with athleticism. It has to do with focus and technique.

He wasn't "totally ineffective" at the pick and roll defense. His athleticism is going to help him at the next level..........he's quick enough to defend 4's while he also has a strong enough base to defend 5's. He was the best defensive big in the draft and was great on the boards also.

When he get's with Houston (a team that preaches and get's off on defense) it's only going to take his defense to another level.

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Old 06-30-2008, 08:51 PM   #26
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Default Re: Was Robin Lopez the best defensive big in this years draft?

as I saw someone write..."when was the last time a 7 footer averaged 5.5 rpg in college and got labeled a rebounder?"

He's an averaged defender at best. He can block a shot or 2 but not a guy that swats them left and right. He had 3 games of 5 blocks...and they were against Yale, Northwestern, and Cornell (dud teams for those who don't follow college basketball). He got 24 minutes a game in college and got 5.7 rebounds. Some say these weren't enough minutes? Speights grabbed 8.1 in 24 mpg. DJ grabbed almost double (10.3) in 33 mins. JJ Hickson grabbed 8.5 in 28 mpg. And Joey Dorsey grabbed 9.5 in 25 mpg. Some others...

Kevin Love 10.6 rpg in 29 mpg
Anthony Randolph 8.5 in 32 mpg

Just about every big in the draft had better rebounding numbers besides Hibbert and Koufos.
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:55 PM   #27
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as I saw someone write..."when was the last time a 7 footer averaged 5.5 rpg in college and got labeled a rebounder?"

He's an averaged defender at best. He can block a shot or 2 but not a guy that swats them left and right. He had 3 games of 5 blocks...and they were against Yale, Northwestern, and Cornell (dud teams for those who don't follow college basketball). He got 24 minutes a game in college and got 5.7 rebounds. Some say these weren't enough minutes? Speights grabbed 8.1 in 24 mpg. DJ grabbed almost double (10.3) in 33 mins. JJ Hickson grabbed 8.5 in 28 mpg. And Joey Dorsey grabbed 9.5 in 25 mpg. Some others...

Kevin Love 10.6 rpg in 29 mpg
Anthony Randolph 8.5 in 32 mpg

Just about every big in the draft had better rebounding numbers besides Hibbert and Koufos.

none of which had another 7' center playing with them. robin took the pf position for the most part, which limited his rebounding.
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Default Re: Was Robin Lopez the best defensive big in this years draft?

You think Brook & Robin Lopez are related to George Lopez?



Just a thought.
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none of which had another 7' center playing with them. robin took the pf position for the most part, which limited his rebounding.
You make it sound like Brook was a great rebounder
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none of which had another 7' center playing with them. robin took the pf position for the most part, which limited his rebounding.

I don't care who he was playing with the guy isn't a great rebounder.......I mean it's not like he is the only big in the draft that had to split rebounding #s with another rebounder on his team. He also wasn't the key offensive weapon, so like Dorsey he should've been able to save his energy to grab those rebounds......yet it didn't matter.

The guy doesn't have the nastiness to be the best defending big out of this draft, while Joey Dorsey is the self described "Ray Lewis with a basketball".

Robin Lopez has some untapped offensive potential, but he sure as hell isn't the "best defensive big in this draft".

Joey Dorsey knows the only reason why he's on a NBA roster is because of his defense and he actually takes pride in it (as well as making people puke in draft workouts). http://www.sportsradio610.com/topic/...udioId=2710676

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