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Old 07-01-2008, 09:09 AM   #1
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Default Which is the more relevent mesurement, with or without shoes?

In my opinion, I believe with shoes. People will argue that different shoes will add different height, but basketball is not played bare-foot. Without shoes measurement seems irrelevent, making a players heights a novelty rather than something that is necessary information needed to determine matchups.
Other threads have been dominated by this type of talk (I for one am guilty of it, myself), so let's settle it here.
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:15 AM   #2
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Default Re: Which is the more relevent mesurement, with or without shoes?

Exactly,I made this thread 2 weeks ago.

I think it's more of people wanting to know the actual measurements of the NBA players instead of their listed height so they can make stupid arguments about Charles Barkley.
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:15 AM   #3
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Default Re: Which is the more relevent mesurement, with or without shoes?

If I had to choose, I'd prefer with shoes too. But in all honesty - as long as it's consistent across the board, I don't care that much. Though some people on this board seem to be prepared to argue almost anything to the death.
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:17 AM   #4
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Default Re: Which is the more relevent mesurement, with or without shoes?

Just curious: iIs this a serious thread?
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:18 AM   #5
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Exactly,I made this thread 2 weeks ago.

Sorry man, I should have checked
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:19 AM   #6
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Just curious: iIs this a serious thread?

Sadly, yes.
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:24 AM   #7
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Default Re: Which is the more relevent mesurement, with or without shoes?

With shoes

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Old 07-01-2008, 09:28 AM   #8
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Default Re: Which is the more relevent mesurement, with or without shoes?

Completely irrelevant, as long as every player is measured the same way.
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:35 AM   #9
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Default Re: Which is the more relevent mesurement, with or without shoes?

Without shoes is far more important because it's a far more reliable measurement. The "with shoes" measures are completely unreliable, varying by as much as 3 inches depending on the type of shoes the player is wearing. There is never a guarantee that the player will play games in the same pair of shoes that he showed up to the measuring session in.

Players who show up to two combines (because they withdrew from the draft after the first one due to seeing their low draft stock) almost always get taller "in shoes" but don't get taller "out of shoes." Think about that. If you want hard data to back that up, search for the article about it at brewhoop.com.
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Without shoes is far more important because it's a far more reliable measurement. The "with shoes" measures are completely unreliable, varying by as much as 3 inches depending on the type of shoes the player is wearing. There is never a guarantee that the player will play games in the same pair of shoes that he showed up to the measuring session in.

Players who show up to two combines (because they withdrew from the draft after the first one due to seeing their low draft stock) almost always get taller "in shoes" but don't get taller "out of shoes." Think about that. If you want hard data to back that up, search for the article about it at brewhoop.com.

Are they playing in these?!?
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:43 AM   #11
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Default Re: Which is the more relevent mesurement, with or without shoes?

wow, so i guess i can say i'm 6'3 (6'2 1/2 rounded up) although i'm only 6'1.

all these bluffed heights are ridiculous, allen iverson is 5'10
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Default Re: Which is the more relevent mesurement, with or without shoes?

Without, as shoes introduces a variable. In reality though, an inch or two in height doesn't matter all that much in the NBA - look at Chris Bosh, whose main height is in his damn neck (you don't block shots with your head, although Bosh almost could).
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Without, as shoes introduces a variable. In reality though, an inch or two in height doesn't matter all that much in the NBA - look at Chris Bosh, whose main height is in his damn neck (you don't block shots with your head, although Bosh almost could).

Which begs another interesting question, why isn't standing reach more highly regarded? We hear a lot about hieght and wingspan, why not standing reach?
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Old 07-01-2008, 10:18 AM   #14
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Which begs another interesting question, why isn't standing reach more highly regarded? We hear a lot about hieght and wingspan, why not standing reach?


I think that it may not be considered important, but when GMs draft players, sometimes they say 'He plays bigger than he is' and tend to bring out the standing reach and wingspan stats. I's more important with big men, because you guard with your hands, not the head, so a high standing reach is key with defence.
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I think that it may not be considered important, but when GMs draft players, sometimes they say 'He plays bigger than he is' and tend to bring out the standing reach and wingspan stats. I's more important with big men, because you guard with your hands, not the head, so a high standing reach is key with defence.

My point, exactly
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