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Old 07-09-2008, 02:08 PM   #1
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Not sure if I agree or disagree so far with these rankings so far. Interesting read, though.

The Greatest Programs

The list so far:

No. 14: Illinois

No. 15: Michigan State.

No. 16: Georgetown.

No. 17: Arkansas.

No. 18: Ohio State.

No. 19: St. John's.

No. 20: UNLV.

No. 21: Texas.

No. 22: Notre Dame.

No. 23: Temple.

No. 24: Oklahoma.

No. 25: N.C. State.
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temple made the list. I'm satisfied already
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Old 07-09-2008, 03:18 PM   #3
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Hmmm. I'm glad to see Illinois at number fourteen, I think that's about right. I just don't know if I would put them ahead of Michigan State and Georgetown.
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It's a defensible stance depending on your list's criteria.

I find it hard to rank Illinois ahead of MSU considering MSU has two titles and six Final Fours, but overall the two are pretty close unless you heavily weigh national titles above all else.
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It's a defensible stance depending on your list's criteria.

I find it hard to rank Illinois ahead of MSU considering MSU has two titles and six Final Fours, but overall the two are pretty close unless you heavily weigh national titles above all else.

I would agree that the two programs should be close in any argument concerning their place in history. I just think that when you have two programs as similar as these, you have to look at what seperates them from each other. In this case it's national championships.
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I'd have to look closer at how consistently good MSU has been throughout history.
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anybody who thinks they can predict the top 13 in no order?
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Indiana, UCLA, Duke, UNC, Kansas, Villanova, Florida, UConn, Stanford, Arizona, Wisconsin, Purdue,and Kentucky are my picks for the next 13. No order.
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Unless they're counting Purdue's 1932 championship (which was before the NCAA tourney, so I'm guessing not), Purdue won't be there because the article said Illinois was the highest-ranked team on the list without a title.

Purdue does have a winning record against every Big Ten team all-time, and the most Big Ten titles, but they also only have two Final Fours- none in the last 28 years- and four Elite Eights.

They should be in the Top 25, arguably, but no way in the Top 13.

Wisconsin? Stanford? Are you serious?

Did you just start naming random teams at some point, or something?

UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina and Duke are locks for the top six in some order or another.

Though UConn, Arizona and Florida don't have much of a long history, all have been super-elite in the last 20 years, so they're in.

Louisville is obviously in.

Cincinnati will be in. They were the nation's premier program before UCLA's dominance started, with five straight Final Fours, including back-to-back titles, from '59-'63.

Michigan will be in.

And Syracuse.

I'm still laughing about Stanford and Wisconsin.

My wild guess on the order:

1. UCLA
2. Kentucky
3. North Carolina
4. Kansas
5. Duke
6. Indiana
7. Louisville
8. Michigan
9. Syracuse
10. Arizona
11. Cincy
12. Connecticut
13. Florida
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Unless they're counting Purdue's 1932 championship (which was before the NCAA tourney, so I'm guessing not), Purdue won't be there because the article said Illinois was the highest-ranked team on the list without a title.

Purdue does have a winning record against every Big Ten team all-time, and the most Big Ten titles, but they also only have two Final Fours- none in the last 28 years- and four Elite Eights.

They should be in the Top 25, arguably, but no way in the Top 13.

Wisconsin? Stanford? Are you serious?

Did you just start naming random teams at some point, or something?

UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina and Duke are locks for the top six in some order or another.

Though UConn, Arizona and Florida don't have much of a long history, all have been super-elite in the last 20 years, so they're in.

Louisville is obviously in.

Cincinnati will be in. They were the nation's premier program before UCLA's dominance started, with five straight Final Fours, including back-to-back titles, from '59-'63.

Michigan will be in.

And Syracuse.

I'm still laughing about Stanford and Wisconsin.

My wild guess on the order:

1. UCLA
2. Kentucky
3. North Carolina
4. Kansas
5. Duke
6. Indiana
7. Louisville
8. Michigan
9. Syracuse
10. Arizona
11. Cincy
12. Connecticut
13. Florida
You got me. I forgot about Louisville and Cincy. And I can't believe I forgot Michigan
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