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Old 07-18-2008, 09:28 AM   #1
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Default Examples Of Ron Artest Being A Headcase?

Everyone keeps throwing around the notion that Artest is a headcase,nuts,crazy,and every other synonm to it but can anyone actually give convincing proof after the Detroit Brawl?

From what I've heard about Artest is well liked among his teammates on every team he's been on and he's well liked by his current coach Reggie Theus.

Too many posters are using the ESPN tactics by all following the tag the media places on a player and overuses it to the point where even if they do change as a person they will use it or wait for their first mistake to use it.
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Everyone keeps throwing around the notion that Artest is a headcase,nuts,crazy,and every other synonm to it but can anyone actually give convincing proof after the Detroit Brawl?

Thanks for the classic video from almost 4 years ago.
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Default Re: Examples Of Ron Artest Being A Headcase?

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Everyone keeps throwing around the notion that Artest is a headcase,nuts,crazy,and every other synonm to it but can anyone actually give convincing proof after the Detroit Brawl?
Why you need more evidence than the brawl is beyond me.

But I'll humour you.

Before Ron ran into the stands Indiana were looking like the best team in the East. After the brawl the Pacers stood behind him 100%.

I repeat: Indiana stood by the scumbag who had derailed their team - a team who resembled a genuine title contender.

The season after the brawl Ron starts to say all the right things and it looked like the Pacers would field a very competitive team.

Then a few weeks into the season he asks the team for time off so that he can promote a fucking rap album.

He gets suspended, and then demands a trade.

He completely fucked a team that could have contended for at least three years. A team that stood by him when it didn't have to.

Ron Artest is an asshole. His incident-free life in Sacramento has seemingly erased this fact from the minds of many ISHiots.
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Default Re: Examples Of Ron Artest Being A Headcase?

what a thread are you really serious with this or what? i'd like to see negative reps just for threads like this one.

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In spite of his abilities, Artest has been the subject of much controversy. During his rookie season with the Chicago Bulls, he was subject to criticism for applying for a job at Circuit City, just to get an employee discount.[9][10] He once attended an Indiana Pacers practice in a bath robe.[11] He was suspended for two games in the early 2004-05 season by Pacers coach Rick Carlisle after he allegedly asked for a month off because he was tired from promoting an R&B album for the group Allure on his production label.[9] Artest had also been suspended for three games in 2003 for destroying a television camera in Madison Square Garden, New York City, and for four games for a confrontation with Miami Heat coach Pat Riley in 2003.

According to a Placer County report obtained by the Sacramento Bee, on January 30, 2007, Animal Services officers issued a “pre-seizure” notice to Artest regarding suspicions that a dog at his home in Loomis was not receiving adequate food. On February 5, officers returned and seized Socks, a black female Great Dane, removing her into protective custody with a local veterinarian. The seizure action cited a law that requires animal caretakers to “provide proper sustenance.” Artest later sent an email to the Bee, writing “I'm glad to say all problems are solved now, and I'm looking forward to getting my dog back.”[15] In a phone conversation with a reporter from local TV news channel CBS13, Artest said he had gotten rid of all his dogs because he wasn't able to take care of them.[16][not in citation given] In March 2007, his dog was released under a foster care agreement after being treated for more than a month.[17] In April 2007, the Placer County District Attorney's Office announced that it would not file charges against Artest over the incident.[18] It also was reported by Placer County Animal Services and by Artest that he agreed to allow Socks to be adopted by a new owner.[18]

On March 5, 2007, Artest was arrested for domestic abuse, and excused from the Sacramento Kings indefinitely by GM Geoff Petrie.[19] On March 10th, The Kings announced that Artest would return to his team while his case is being reviewed by the Placer County District Attorney.[20] On May 3, he was sentenced to 20 days in jail and community service, however, Artest did not spend any more time in jail as ten days of the sentence were stayed by the judge and Artest served the other 10 days in a work release program.[21] On July 14, 2007, the NBA decided that Artest would serve a seven game suspension at the beginning of the 2007-08 NBA season for his legal problems.

enough?

(yeah, like the brawl and asking for a trade LATER, even though team stood for him wasn't enough. how many guys can tell they single handedly ruined a possible contender by a single incident?
and just days ago, if you aren't familiar, he didn't opt out of his contract, but then changed his mind and asked for a trade, putting the management in no win situation...but yeah, he isn't a headcase, now way god forbid the thought)
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Default Re: Examples Of Ron Artest Being A Headcase?

Since the brawl is not enough for you to write him off, or him asking for time off from Indiana to promote a rap album during the year, do his domestic problems last year that got him suspended for a few games count? Other than that the constant on and off trade demands, ripping his own team, and stating his desire to play in other markets/with our players is bad for his team as well.
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you must have a very short memory. the whole begining of the season following the suspension, he tried to get a leave to promote his tru werrrior album coming out. he also did some other weird **** at the time that ruined his trade value and effectively ended that powerful indy team. combine that with his dog abuse charges (on more than one occasion- he ignored the first set of fines), let alone that he owns a pack of pitbulls and danes..... and listen to an interview with him about almost anything. dude doesnt live in the same reality as the rest of us.

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Old 07-18-2008, 10:01 AM   #8
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Why you need more evidence after the brawl is beyond me.
It was almost 4 ****ing years ago,can you find me something since then seriously.

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But I'll humour you.

Before Ron ran into the stands Indiana were looking like the best team in the East. After the brawl the Pacers stood behind him 100%.

I repeat: Indiana stood by the scumbag who had derailed their team - a team who resembled a genuine title contender.

The season after the brawl Ron starts to say all the right things and it looked like the Pacers would field a very competitive team.

Then a few weeks into the season he asks the team for time off so that he can promote a fucking rap album.

He gets suspended, and then demands a trade.
How does that make him a nutcase?
Obviously from your logic & the way you posted it you aren't into Rap/Hip-Hop

Strangely enough he actually has a 2nd career in music and he takes it seriously,what I don't understand is how he wasn't granted the time off when you have players who decide when they want to return from injuries.Artest should've claimed an ankle sprain to miss some time and set a return date for when he came back instead of being honest.

For **** sakes you have guys like Dwyane Wade doing guest hosting on TNT while his team is tanking,and coaches like Pat Riley taking time off from his job to go scout college players 1 month before the season ends.

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He completely fucked a team that could have contended for at least three years. A team that stood by him when it didn't have to.

Ron Artest is an asshole. His incident-free life in Sacramento has seemingly erased this fact from the minds of many ISHiots.
Artest didn't **** up the team and they weren't a title contendor afterwards,Reggie Miller retired following the 2004-2005 season,Jonathan Bender's knees finally gave out,Jermaine O'Neal & Jamaal Tinsley both began battling the injuries that now effect their careers.

So you can speculate on if Artest hadn't ****ed them over they could've contended for at least 3 years but the proof from injuries,&Reggie's retirement show thats they wouldn't have.
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what a thread are you really serious with this or what? i'd like to see negative reps just for threads like this one.

and just days ago, if you aren't familiar, he didn't opt out of his contract, but then changed his mind and asked for a trade, putting the management in no win situation...but yeah, he isn't a headcase, now way god forbid the thought)
hes trying to justify the lakers picking him up.

yeah, the back and forth and inability to make a commitment and stick with it (plus his penchant for talking directly to the media about it- using it as leverage) makes me think hes got a mental disorder/genuinely stupid and immature.
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Since the brawl is not enough for you to write him off, or him asking for time off from Indiana to promote a rap album during the year, do his domestic problems last year that got him suspended for a few games count? Other than that the constant on and off trade demands, ripping his own team, and stating his desire to play in other markets/with our players is bad for his team as well.
He missed 7 games for his domestic charge in early 2007,7 meaningless games at the start of the season.

He's never demanded a trade until last week,he never expressed any desire to play in any other market except for saying one day he'd like to play for his hometown Knicks.
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hes trying to justify the lakers picking him up.

yeah, the back and forth and inability to make a commitment and stick with it (plus his penchant for talking directly to the media about it- using it as leverage) makes me think hes got a mental disorder/genuinely stupid and immature.
That's far from stupid,he keeps his name out there to try and develop interest to him.

He's representing himself as his own agent if you don't know.
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It was almost 4 ****ing years ago,can you find me something since then seriously.


How does that make him a nutcase?
Obviously from your logic & the way you posted it you aren't into Rap/Hip-Hop

Strangely enough he actually has a 2nd career in music and he takes it seriously,what I don't understand is how he wasn't granted the time off when you have players who decide when they want to return from injuries.Artest should've claimed an ankle sprain to miss some time and set a return date for when he came back instead of being honest.

For **** sakes you have guys like Dwyane Wade doing guest hosting on TNT while his team is tanking,and coaches like Pat Riley taking time off from his job to go scout college players 1 month before the season ends.

Wait you're still trying to defend him? This was a team trying to win that stuck with him the year after his suspension and 7 games into the season with him being fully healthy and playing his best ball in Indiana ever, he asks them to allow him to sit because he wants to promote a rap album. I don't care how serious you are about you're side job, when you're under contract that **** isn't acceptable. And you compare that to a clearly hobbled Dwyane Wade sitting out at the end of the season for the last place team in the league? Incredible

Artest didn't **** up the team and they weren't a title contendor afterwards,Reggie Miller retired following the 2004-2005 season,Jonathan Bender's knees finally gave out,Jermaine O'Neal & Jamaal Tinsley both began battling the injuries that now effect their careers.

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So you can speculate on if Artest hadn't ****ed them over they could've contended for at least 3 years but the proof from injuries,&Reggie's retirement show thats they wouldn't have.

JO + Stephen Jax + Artest = contender
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How does that make him a nutcase?
Obviously from your logic & the way you posted it you aren't into Rap/Hip-Hop

Strangely enough he actually has a 2nd career in music and he takes it seriously,what I don't understand is how he wasn't granted the time off when you have players who decide when they want to return from injuries.
he doesnt have a second career in music get real. if he werent a ball player, the 15 people who bought his album wouldnt have even heard of it. name me one successful thing he's done in the music industry?

and really, you dont have a problem with him coming up in the middle of the nba season and demanding a month off? well, kaman has a new restaurant hes getting off the ground, so hes gonna have to miss at least 3 weeks of games.

so if the lakers get him and he decides in november that he needs a couple of weeks off to promote another album on his label, you'd be ok with that?
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you have guys like Dwyane Wade doing guest hosting on TNT while his team is tanking,and coaches like Pat Riley taking time off from his job to go scout college players 1 month before the season ends.

pat riley was in the wrong on that IMO, but it was what 2 games? and hes not on the floor. and you are really gonna bring up an injured player making tv appearances?
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Strangely enough he actually has a 2nd career in music and he takes it seriously,what I don't understand is how he wasn't granted the time off when you have players who decide when they want to return from injuries.


if you don't understand why a team wouldn't let the crucial player they're playing millions to play off in the middle of regular season, then, well...i believe this debate is beyond your mental level.
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