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Old 06-10-2006, 10:14 PM   #76
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A bunch of pf's running up and down the court with no elite point guard is not Phoenix ball. It's Hawks ball. And by the looks of it, that's what the Raptors will be going with next year.

And would I trade Magloire and Mo for Villy? Probably, though I think a defensive minded pf would be a much better solution for us.

Or did you mean from the Raps' perspective? The answer is definately yes then. Your franchise player is Bosh, and you need to get him some playoff experience. The path to winning is the one that the Cavs are taking. Put the right pieces around your franchise player so that he can get to the playoffs and learn how to win there. You don't see them tanking and putting stupid lineups on the floor so that they can stay in the lottery for a few more years. When your franchise player is entering his 4th year, it's completely unacceptable to be settling for the lottery.

Mo Williams (age 22)
Mo Peterson (age 28)
Gay/Bargnani (rookies)
Chris Bosh (age 22)
Jamaal Magloire (age 27)

That's a playoff team with a lineup that can remain intact for the next five years. When Magloire and Peterson get too old, Bosh and the #1 pick should be experienced enough to carry things on their own.

If I were GM, I would absolutely choose that strategy over "let's go with 3 pf's, and 2 sg's and lose for a while longer until we get more lottery picks"

Again, that's Hawks style.
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Old 06-10-2006, 10:18 PM   #77
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solid argument by adamcz on the hawks style argument... I'd like to see the response on the PP reply... he had pretty good arguments of his own...
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Old 06-10-2006, 10:30 PM   #78
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Journal Times - Gery Woeful was told by members of 10 different teams that had interest in acquiring Jamaal Magloire.

“There was quite a bit of dialogue,’’ Larry Harris said with a grin.

The prevailing opinion among those interviewed was that a deal involving Magloire would likely be finalized by the draft.

Next few weeks are something to be looking at. I hope the Raptors aqquire him.
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Old 06-10-2006, 10:32 PM   #79
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A bunch of pf's running up and down the court with no elite point guard is not Phoenix ball. It's Hawks ball. And by the looks of it, that's what the Raptors will be going with next year.

Give BC time. It will not be a complete copy of the suns, because there is only one Steve Nash. The only two other PG's capable of doing an equal job are not going anywhere (c. paul and kidd). The raptors, lead by BC, won't be the hawks. I'm as doubtful as most come when it comes to BC, but I know he won't turn Toronto into Atlanta.

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Your franchise player is Bosh, and you need to get him some playoff experience.

Agreed. The path to the playoffs is what we disagree on. Some think that, with aldridge, the raptors can make the playoffs if they sign a nice pg this offseason. I think that is a stretch, but it could conceivably happen. Why jeopardize the future for a first round exit (if they make the playoffs at all) neat year?

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Put the right pieces around your franchise player so that he can get to the playoffs and learn how to win there.

Magloire is not the right mid-to-longterm piece. And slowdown, bosh needs to learn how to win in the regular season first, a lot of games where lost in the last 2 minutes - mostly james and sam mitchell's fault, but chris could have been more forceful in demanding the ball etc.

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You don't see them tanking and putting stupid lineups on the floor so that they can stay in the lottery for a few more years. When your franchise player is entering his 4th year, it's completely unacceptable to be settling for the lottery.

No one thinks Toronto will tank for a pick.

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That's a playoff team with a lineup that can remain intact for the next five years.

Next five years? That's assuming magloire is signed to the crazy money he wants. Toronto has a good cap situation, why blow it? I'll get to that later.

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"let's go with 3 pf's, and 2 sg's and lose for a while longer until we get more lottery picks"

That is not the actual plan. BC will do what it takes to get a PG. Signing jay will, trading for brevin knight, drafting m. williams, signing m. banks, w/e BC thinks is the best thing will happen. He won't let next years raptors go without a PG. As for the 3 pf's, well, sure it's not prototypical but it's feasible.



If the raptors did this trade and got magloire and kept him for the next 5 years, they would basically end the good cap situation they are in now. Here is the magloire lineup:

pg: mo williams
sg: mo pete
sf: gay/morrison + graham
pf: bosh
c: magloire

Line-up B (uncertainties here, but possibilities):

Add a player that can be signed with the money not being spent on magloire and mo williams (minus charlies low salary).

pg: banks? knight?
sg: mo pete
sf: charlie
pf: bosh
c: aldridge

Don't let the unsure spots in line-up B fool you. If aldridge isn't a bust-to-semibust and BC signs a great FA with the boatload of money they have, B is better.


This has been a long post/day, so my thought process is not all here adamcz I quoted you a lot, don't take it as an attack (I think constant quoting looks aggressive).
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Old 06-10-2006, 10:34 PM   #80
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The guy is seriously overrated.
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Old 06-10-2006, 10:34 PM   #81
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The latest Raptors rumor buzzing around the gym has the Raptors talking with the Bucks about a deal that brings Toronto native Jamaal Magloire and Maurice Williams to Toronto for Charlie Villanueva or the No. 1 pick (the Raptors can make this deal because they'll be under the cap).

That trade would allow the Raptors to take care of their needs at center and the point and still retain either Villanueva or the No. 1 pick. If they were to keep Villanueva or draft Andrea Bargnani to play the three, the team would be essentially set at every position. The long-term risk is that both Magloire and Williams hit free agency next summer and may cost the Raptors too much money to re-sign.

For the Bucks, the deal would free up room in the middle for Andrew Bogut to start and give them a young power forward (either Villanueva or someone like Tyrus Thomas or LaMarcus Aldridge) to pair with him in the front court.

Whao, now it's Magloire and Mo for Villanueva OR the #1?? damn.
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Old 06-10-2006, 10:36 PM   #82
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The guy is seriously overrated.

no he's not, he's one of the few true centers in the NBA and can be a double double player.
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Old 06-10-2006, 10:38 PM   #83
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Certainly is an intriguing situation.

Risk the future for short term satisfaction (that has the potential to continue)? Or risk drafting a tweener center and forcing teams to matchup against a very tall SF and undersized, quick center?


As for trading either charlie or the pick, I would trade charlie. Gay or morrison will most likely be better.
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Old 06-10-2006, 10:39 PM   #84
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Can be. Can be. That's if one of his fingers isn't scraped causing him the miss most of the year.

He will ask for too much money. I'll laugh at whoever signs him.
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Old 06-10-2006, 10:39 PM   #85
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Old 06-10-2006, 10:40 PM   #86
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Oh, and why give up charlie for one year of magloire and a few years of mo williams? Why not keep charlie and sign magloire after next year (which won't happen if he asks for max money).
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Old 06-10-2006, 10:43 PM   #87
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Lineup B with Brevin Knight would probably be decent (though still weak defensively), but how do you trade for him without using the #1 for #3/Knight deal?
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Why not keep charlie and sign magloire after next year (which won't happen if he asks for max money).
Because signing Magloire won't be a possibility. Whichever team trades for him this year will be willing to give him the $10 million that he deserves and keep him. He can be extended this year, and he will be. Could be Golden State, could be Memphis, could be you guys.
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Lineup B with Brevin Knight would probably be decent (though still weak defensively), but how do you trade for him without using the #1 for #3/Knight deal?

You don't get Brevin Knight without doing that #1 for #3 deal, and even then, it's highly doubtful that the Bobcats would move up for that alone, especially when it's reported they covet both Adam Morrison and Rudy Gay equally, and obviously one will be there at #3 with the Chicago Bulls taking the best available power forward.

Unless it's all shadow games with the media, so many options and outcomes that can happen, it's really quite crazy to even try and determine what will happen.
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I left him there because it is a possibility since he IS on the trading block. It could be mo pete, could be the pick, could be charlie, etc...
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