1. Why not Brand? Brand is significantly better than Amare at all aspects of the international game. Amare already got exposed, both offensively and defensively.
Brand will be on the Olympic team. I want to give Amare, Howard and Smith as much time to gel as possible. And exactly how did Amare get "exposed?" He was one of the people Larry Brown never played but should've. Amare is better off the dribble than Brand. Better on the break. International big men simply have no way of stopping him.
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2. Gordon is fine defensively? No, have you ever seen this guy play? He is a 4th quarter marvel who does little else other than put in buckets. The team, with its curert roster has no need for him. He's not a great point guard and does not possess excellent PG insticts.
I'm a Bulls fan. I saw over half of all their games this season. So maybe you should listen. Ben Gordon is fine at defending smaller guards. Livingston would be the one guarding bigger ones. Gordon is not there to be the point, he is there to be an SG, just like Macijauskas and Navarro, who are the same size as him. Ben Gordon is by far the most clutch shooter in the NBA and would easily be the best pure shooter on any team the USA could put together. Maybe if you had ever seen him play you would know this.
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Fewer BS touch fouls, no superstar calls, physical interior and perimeter players (particularly Greece, for example) that can easily shut weak little twigs like Livingston down.
Have you ever actually seen Livingston play? Nobody shuts him down. He is a fundamentally sound pure PG who happens to be 6'7". How would physical interior play shut down a PG who rarely goes in the paint?
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4. Marcus Williams? Rudy Gay? You are clinging to hype without having seen a minute of them on a professional competition. At least wait a couple years for them to prove themselves in the league before saying they'd be great fits for Team USA.
This is all hypothetical. We're just assuming stuff. I assume that Marcus Williams and Rudy Gay will show in their rookie seasons that they are capable NBA players. I struggle to see how it even matters, seeing as how Carlos Arroyo is nothing more than a backup in the NBA but is Isiah Thomas for Puerto Rico. Marcus Williams has shown all the fundamentals one could want of an international PG. Rudy Gay has every tool a swingman could need and does not demand the ball. If Williams and Gay don't do well, then I wouldn't want them.
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5. Josh Smith? Are you kidding? A forward with no handle and no Bball IQ? Get real. he's simply a detriment to the team, I'm sorry. have you ever seen this moron play?
No, I'm pretty sure you're the one who hasn't seen him play. Why would he need handles when he is a PF? He is an activity player, a Kirilenko or Marion-esque player who would wreak havoc defensively on other teams. As of now there is nobody on the team who has his kind of length and athleticism yet is willing to play defense and defer to others. He would be far from a detriment to the team.
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6. Robert Swift and David Lee for the future? What, maybe in like 6 years or something? The point is, we have qualifiers next year and the olympics after that...why the hell would you bring on these vastly inexperienced people who would not contribute?
Well, seeing as how they are just as experienced as, say, Anderson Varejao or Tiago Splitter, that's a pretty retarded argument.
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The point is, you DON"T HAVE that kind of time. You have a few weeks.
Which is exactly why I want players who will immediately be willing to play as part of a team and are not ingrained into any certain style of play, which every single star of the NBA is.
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8. In case you missed everything that happened in the past few weeks, almost every single one of my damn reasons why Team USA would not win came true. Obviously I know slightly more about what I'm talking about than you. So, basically, sit down. Get a real team together who would gel in the allotted time and win the gold medal in 2008.
That is not my idea for a gold medal team. It is my idea for just a qualifying team in 2007 that I am basing off of predictions of how I think they will play in 2006-7.
Besides the younger team, I would like a new coaching staff with more international experience, with maybe a David Blatt or someone on there, and possibly a full-time coach who can scout the other teams and create actual gameplans, like maybe a Hubie Brown, if his health is good enough.
Again, all you do is piss and moan and make replies denigrating other people's ideas. Yet you know nothing about professional basketball. You don't follow the NBA. You don't follow European ball. You don't actually know sh!t except hearsay and statistics. I have never seen you actually drop any opinions of Euroleague or ACB/Adriatic League/etc. I have never seen you give any opinions of NBA games. I have never seen you give any opinions of NCAA games. I have never seen you give any opinions regarding the NBA draft. I am convinced that you do not actually watch any basketball outside of international competitions, and the evidence would seem to support it.
Now, if you'd stop being such a douche for one minute of your life, maybe you could use some of this supposed international basketball knowledge you have and instead of whining like the little cvnt you are, maybe you should give some ideas of your own.
I have a feeling instead you'll just make some reply countering all of my points and won't actually do that though, so I think I'll just leave this topic for you to have a wankingly good time with.
Fairly typical, resorting to personal attacks and utilizing hypothetical situations instead of actual facts. You've also shown you really don't know anything about international ball, as its clearly obvious. Also, you assume that I don't know anything about the NBA when it was me who basically picked apart Team USA's weaknesses in every aspect and was proven right. Hmm interesting.
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Well, seeing as how they are just as experienced as, say, Anderson Varejao or Tiago Splitter, that's a pretty retarded argument.
Do you see the problem with your argument? Varejao and Splitter grew up with FIBA rules and are significantly more experienced in every facet of international play than your homies Robert Swift and David Lee. Disregarding the fact that Varejao and Splitter completely outclass Swift and Lee when it comes to experience and international effectiveness...Lee and Swift STILL don't make good choices for Team USA.
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his is all hypothetical. We're just assuming stuff.
Actually, YOU are just assuming stuff and living in a land of pure hypotheticals when you haven't even seem jack about how well these NCAA players like Rudy Gay will do in the NBA or FIBA.
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Have you ever actually seen Livingston play? Nobody shuts him down. He is a fundamentally sound pure PG who happens to be 6'7". How would physical interior play shut down a PG who rarely goes in the paint?
Yes, and he's completely inexperienced and injury prone. Again, you live in a land of fantasies. Paul already got shown that he doesn't have the experience to lead a team in FIBA competition. Can livingston? No, he hasn't shown anything yet. In addition, how would you even get him on the team, seeing that he spends much of his time in the IL...
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o, I'm pretty sure you're the one who hasn't seen him play. Why would he need handles when he is a PF? He is an activity player, a Kirilenko or Marion-esque player who would wreak havoc defensively on other teams.
Basically showing that you don't know anything about defense. Smith is an active help side shotblocking. His ability (or inability for that matter) to shut any individual player down is useless in international play (e.g. Bowen) because international teams rarely rely on a single player for offensive production. Smith simply lacks the IQ or fundamentals to be a good FIBA player. Sorry if you wanted to see those highlight dunks...
Also, you assume that I don't know anything about the NBA when it was me who basically picked apart Team USA's weaknesses in every aspect and was proven right.
Really? Show me that thread.
And, I'm saying this again…
Instead of whining like the little cvnt you are, maybe you should give some ideas of your own.
Instead of whining like the little cvnt you are, maybe you should give some ideas of your own.
Hmmm for the past months I've been criticizing the problems with Team USA, are you this ignorant that you've missed it? Sorry bud, but everything I said ended up being right. I called out USA for its problems since Day 1, nothing was ever done about it, and everything turned out true.
Really now, all you do is spout personal attacks and pure fantasy team USA drivel with no relationship to what is actually real. At least I've completely debunked your ideas, to which your only response is more personal attacks.
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you don't understand past lessions?? Great names, hall of famers, funambolic players, in an international competition are USELESS. if you wanna win something, you NEED A TEAM, with a unite GROUP, with SCHEMES AND CHEMISRTY
when you are versus a fiba team you can't play like nba
"all give ball to lebron/kobe/AI/KG/VC/MJ/JE/LB/WC/hulk hogan and see"
you need different weapons to
defend on the perimeter
penetrate the zone
play for all time with maximum intensity(you can't stop to repose for a quarter like lebron....)
and much more....
actually, you can't do one of these. it's obvius you lost with a fiba national team.
Add a few other players, and I think we should win the olympics.
That's a pretty decent team. If they can get their chemistry together then they'll be able to win gold. Anyways, I really wish there were more legit bigmen who are available. Frye possesses alot of FIBA strengths (good mid-range, passing, etc) but he's still really weak. I'd probably put in Charlie Bell as the 12th man...great shooter, smart defender, and international superstar, so he really knows how to play the FIBA game.
everything I said ended up being right. I called out USA for its problems since Day 1, nothing was ever done about it, and everything turned out true.
Really? Show me the thread where you predicted, before the tournament, that Coach K's pressure defense would easily be negated by the experienced teams. Show me the thread where you predicted that Paul and Hinrich would get burned because of overplaying PGs. Show me the thread where you predicted that the long threes that foreign teams shoot would lead to longer rebounds that would negate the USA's rebounding advantage. Show me the thread where you predicted that the Greek and Italian backcourts would dictate the pace of the game.
Show me.
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Hmmm for the past months I've been criticizing the problems with Team USA
That's exactly my point. All you've done is criticize. You have never, ever, ever come up with any ideas. All you do is piss and moan.
That's exactly my point. All you've done is criticize. You have never, ever, ever come up with any ideas. All you do is piss and moan.
Again, this is now the third time:
Maybe you should give some ideas of your own.
EVERY one of my criticisms is an original point that I've made by watching the games and following the teams. Hmm maybe if you had done the same thing, you would've known.
That's a pretty decent team. If they can get their chemistry together then they'll be able to win gold. Anyways, I really wish there were more legit bigmen who are available. Frye possesses alot of FIBA strengths (good mid-range, passing, etc) but he's still really weak. I'd probably put in Charlie Bell as the 12th man...great shooter, smart defender, and international superstar, so he really knows how to play the FIBA game.
I forgot about Bell and I would probably add Bruce Bowen in their as well. I think the perfect big man would be KG for international game. Anyways, what U.S. team would you put out there (not including the ones who don't want to go ex: TD, KG)?
here are just a few of the many I've made on Team USA during the past months. I've also written constant analysis of the games in other threads(you know, the games that I actually watched but you didn't). I'm not even going to link to other people's threads where I already posted my thoughts because you can do that yourself. If you would have even bothered to go back to pages 10-60 and actually read game threads and opinions, you would have known that I actually do know what I'm talking about (unlike you).
I guess the bottom line is that you haven't predicted sh&t. You haven't watched sh&t and you haven't analyzed sh&t. You come here spewing BS and personal attacks, but with nothing of substance.
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I forgot about Bell and I would probably add Bruce Bowen in their as well. I think the perfect big man would be KG for international game. Anyways, what U.S. team would you put out there (not including the ones who don't want to go ex: TD, KG)?
If i am not taking into account those people who declined, but am taking account people who were never asked...I would pick (ideally):
(just goes to show how thin our frontline is-maybe I'll replace Bosh with kaman, but I've almost never seen Kaman play so i can't vouch for him)
One question, who's Baston?
As for your team, I personally like it, but I would take Brad Miller out. He's starting to get old and his defense doesn't fit our "man to man" defensive schemes. I think we could of won this championship, if Hinrich and Howard got to play more. I can't believe Hinrich didn't get more time. He was up the other player's azz on defense, and was doing a good job distributing the ball. And Howard was rejecting and altering the opponents shots, and was a rebounding monster.
As for your team, I personally like it, but I would take Brad Miller out. He's starting to get old and his defense doesn't fit our "man to man" defensive schemes. I think we could of won this championship, if Hinrich and Howard got to play more. I can't believe Hinrich didn't get more time. He was up the other player's azz on defense, and was doing a good job distributing the ball.
Maceo Baston, an american playing in the Euroleague. He's not a particularly great player, but he is a bruiser in the paint and at least a slightly half-decent defensive presence. I basically put him on the roster as the 12th man because he obviously is used to the FIBA game, and plus I can't think of another American big man who would work well with the team. Perhaps Troy murphy...who knows?
