To this day, I have this list as Top 3 PG GOATs and will stay that way.
#1 Magic
#2 Zeke
#3 Stockton
the amount of insult and disrespect Stockton get is just appalling.
That man was scary great his entire career. I mean defensively too. You never saw him coming offensively and defensively. that was the scary part.
Any team with Malone as MVP Runner-up is a juggernaut.
Any team with elite, injury-free, Stockton as a hard, cold, no drama, workman like playmaker who won zero awards and accolades for career and a chip to prove is a juggernaut.
Any team with HCA against 35 y Jordan, 34 y harper, 37 y useless Rodman and injured, 50% available 33 y Pippen is...
metrics-wise
#13 SRS
that's horrific, yet Ant was massively-upset and also wet the bed with his own poor performance... Ant wets bed vs #13 SRS, while MJ averaged 40 against the #1 SRS in 86' or 89'
lol. get your head checked at the nearest ER.
LBJ aint fitting any complicated triangle offense. LBJ ball is ball dominance and slows down offense instead of ball movement.
Reason LBJ always needed a SUPER team to win ring. That 3rd franchise in Bosh. or Love. forget that bubble ring.
Jordan was a special player. And his ability to play...
97' WCF
Stockton...... 21/11 and series walk-off in Barkley's face
Stockton carried the Jazz to the 97' Finals, while Pippen never put up double-double with points and assists or hit historic clutch shots.. And he never outplayed any top players like Barkley, Malone, Shaq, Bird, etc
Stockton also outplayed Pippen in the 97' Finals when...
Horace wasn't a scorer, while Ainge, Kersey, Duckworth, Porter, Buck Williams and Drexler were - that's 6 scoring options - they won't all average a lot because they have to share the load, but they all had seasons of high ppg at some point in their career and are considered scorers.
Or X-Man, Mark Jackson, Mason, Starks and Ewing - that's 5...
I don't know what you are talking about.
And each count has to be unanimous to convict. All 34 felonies had unanimous agreement. That rarely happens. Usually a few charges here and there get dropped because of no unanimous agreement.
This year I actually would take Kyrie over Durant. KD at least recently has been a defensive liability, where as Kyrie is busting his ass on defense. And Durant has never been a good passer either. I don't believe Dallas would be better with KD and PJ Washington on the bench than Kyrie.
The verdict was reached by a jury of everyday citizens, unanimously. The justice system or president didn't throw him in jail or assassinated him. The system worked exactly as the founding fathers have created it and envisioned justice. Not their fault that you can't see the forest for its trees.
And yes, Trump tried hard to go after Hillary....
This. Dirk's run that year was also historic as it was one of 4 or 5 runs ever where a single player basically carried his team to a chip...let alone against one of the most stacked teams ever assembled
Sure but he’s still a monster 3 level scorer who improved his playmaking this year. I can easily say he was the top guy over Durant honestly and I don’t imagine you take Kyrie over kd
He had Brunson and they lost in the western conference finals. And is about to win a championship with Kyrie. But yea. The difference is PJ, Lively, Gafford, DJJ vs Dwight Powell, Kleber, and Hardaway. Role players can be the distinction between winning or losing. Especially defensively. Brunson and Kyrie are both immense guard talents.
I don’t care about resumes or lvl of play or defense that’s all deflection. You said other teams had up to 8 scoring options when the bulls had 2. Horace grant scored 13ppg so that’s the cutoff I’ll use. He’s not a scoring option by your own criteria so you need to score more to be one. The 91 blazers had 4 guys over 13ppg, the 92 Knicks 3 and...
How you figure that? Lebron's range has been better than MJ's for a long time now. Cartwright and to some extent Longley could easily replicate what ilguaskas did as a big with Lebron in the pick and pop. Grant would be a much mich better version of Andy Varejeo or Thompson and would catch alleyoops several times a game. And also could play pick...
Using the 3ball formula of player evaluation
Pippen: 16 ppg
Kukoc: 15 ppg
Hornacek: 11 ppg
Stockton: 10 ppg
It's amazing they even needed 6 games to win :lol
Kyrie was a big reason they finished 24-9. He was out a lot earlier in the season. From Feb 5 Kyrie played all the games except the last two.
PJ wasn't any good during that stretch, averaging 12/6 with a TS of 52%.
success is having a winning record on the Finals level
Otoh, simply making the Finals = proving you're objectively superior help than Pippen, who couldn't make the Finals without Jordan.
And the lie detector test determined....that is a lie.
Mj was given the perennial allstar George Gervin his 2nd season. Gervin was an allstar the prior year and put up 21.2 a game. Iceman had 3 40 point games the previous season and one on the Bulls the season he played with Mj. Not to mention Mj was drafted to a team with an existing 20ppg...
Honestly, I think the Mavs could still make the Finals with Brunson in Kyrie's place. A more interesting hypothetical is Kyrie in Brunson's place. How do you think the Knicks do in that scenario?
Booker is trash on defense. And super soft. Kyrie actually locks in there. And he's a way better passer too. It's been a lob fest to Gafford and Lively not only from Luka but Irving as well.