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Lebron is the best plus-minus player of all time, so I guess OP must think Lebron is GOAT if he is going to focus on plus-minus.

What a ***** putting Ben the bust Simmons on there put Gary Payton you b!tch white chocolate murked that ninja. I’d put Stockton before Simmons One of the few shaq respects. Payton, arguably, the best Point Guard ever tried to trip the white boy from West Virginia who went to high school with Randy Moss. The new gen is so soft with their...

Draymond is a bitch compared to Dennis Rodman. What you think the R in my moniker stands for? I was JOR but got banned 20 years ago. Before that. I was on this site back in 1991 and I had to walk through snow to access it. Rodman is a real human. 100%. I don’t care what his daughter says. He named Madonna in her prime and he was homeless...

Ehh, you guys just keep holding him to an unbelievable standard. It says you guys truly believe hes worthy of goat without actually saying it. His plus or minus, honestly from watching him just means he cant carry the bench lineups to a positive anymore, and they (meaning probably him and his coach) arent facing this reality and still running him...

Just going to the Olympics was great for White. He needs a"system" that let's him take open shots. Ok, what's the problem? Neither the Celtics nor any other nba team is going to hold it against him that he doesn't get minutes over Steph Curry. Since he's 31 his trade value is probably as high as it will ever be but with the Celtics wanting to keep...

I've been saying for years that he should have moved to 6th man if he actually wanted to be effective. He doesn't bring enough to be effective as a high minute starter, but as a 6th man, he could make those role players on the bench better.

Jaspie would've rather seen that money spent on sex changes for the flaming homos in prisons.

He is. But I'm a bit nervous for his longer term value based on that below par Olympics showing. It makes me possibly believe he is a system player. As the Celtics completely overhaul the roster and likely his role, if he falls back to his Spurs level of play, he will still be tradable, but Celtics would be kicking themselves for not trading...

A.Grimes was also drafted the same year as Suggs, Kuminga and Giddey. It all makes sense now why Grimes is hell bent on getting $25mil per year. Suggs deal set the market

Tim Hardaway avg 23 and 11 and couldn't dunk.

2nd Team Hakeem Draymond Kawhi Tony Allen Frazier (I'm labeling Duncan a center)

Basketball fans are the most inconsistent in their line of reasoning when it comes to their logic about how they perceive players. 90-95 percent debate like a female would.

It's kind of mind-blowing to think but at 30 mil per Derrick White is actually a bargain.

Is his plus minus due to a complete lack of defensive effectiveness?

Now jon koncak was a ridiculous contract

Yea a net negative is still a net negative. Let’s see LeBron play properly like a regular starter who plays defense and plays a team game.

patsy jealous cause trump sent 2 over our 6,000 community , while NY gets nodda

Still better than the nets

20pts was a lot for anyone back then, almost unheard of for a PG. Plus the way he orchestrated that team and the athleticism was off the chart. A complete unicorn.

"Bu-bu-bu-bu-but he got a DUNK!!!!" :roll: Net negative. Any way you try to slice it, no matter how much damage control you try to do, he's still a net negative. Truth hurts.

Like I said you don’t get a handicap score for being 40. You don’t get brownie points. In terms of effectiveness, you and I BOTH agree 100 percent that LeBron is a liability.

Imagine MJ doing this at age 40. Curry is 37 and has 1 dunk in the last 6 years.

Best player on those Sonics teams as well.

What?

It really isn't. Giddey averaged 21/11/9 on 50/46/81 splits post-ASB and they went 12 - 7 in those games. He has all-star potential and Bulls are going nowhere without him and refuse to tank.

Curry/MJ would be "off-ball" pretty much the entire time. Jokic/Lebron would be running the offense (they can both space the floor if needed). Duncan is the only one who might have an awkward fit, but his BBIQ/Passing/Defense make up for it. Honestly any time I think of an all-time starting five, the PF position is the hardest to figure out....