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Centers of the caliber I mentioned very clearly had greater visible impact on team defenses, even without advanced stats. It makes even less sense from an era context because shutting down the paint was more important than some defensive pest on the perimeter( not saying that wasn't important, just not as much). Someone pulling down a dozen boards...

So beautiful, I cried.

After a quick search. Payton, Smart, & Cooper in their DPOY seasons also did not lead their team in those 3 advanced defensive metrics I just posted. Which seems about right, all 3 were known for their man defense and defensive guards who specialize in man defense doesn't really show in advanced stats. There is no stat to track man defense & wing...

Thanks for reminding us how incredible this was guys. Id love to see the threads before game 7 and the nuclear fallout after again.:oldlol:

Yeah that's what I mean. I don't know how someone's ranking can go up decades after they've finishes playing. Granted, its also different groups of people doing these rankings so there's gonna be some variances. Case in point, some of the people who voted on the ESPN top 50 list in 2016 probably didn't vote on whenever they did the last list(...

If the Epstein Files cleared Trump he would be selling them on Truth Social.

They were voted on by steals blocks reputation and team d. Advanced stats werent around

I didn't watch Payton in his prime, but a guy who's nick name is The Glove, he has to be well respected as a defender.

I always tgought they were sumilar. Only o. Ish did i come to find vird was supposedly always better in everyones mind

Well honestly Magic and bird both were often in the 4-6 spots before this last generation pushed them out a bit to varying degrees. I think its just magic gaining some ground back. What's most intriguing to me is how guys general rankings can shuffle up and down the top 10 without having played in decades. Kinda pulls the curtain back on how often...

I think it's insane that any non-big was winning DPOY in this period. With prime Hakeem, Robinson, Mutumbo, Mourning in the league?

:roll::roll::roll: the mental gymnastics involved in defending trump are surreal

but in what capacity? we can't jump to conclusions because there isn't enough evidence or indicators to implicate him in that manner. ever heard of "being caught up in some bullshit"? you probably think that ik'm making excuses for trump here but in the end the actual explanations to these crazy things, if they ever are actually realized, end...

1996 Sonics DRTG Shawn Kemp: 97 Nate McMillan: 98 Gary Payton: 102 Defensive win shares Shawn Kemp: 6.1 Gary Payton: 5.6

I don't use words like"shit" but I'll tell one of my kids to "stop being an idiot" everyone once in a while. What Brown said is more disrespectful and he's not his father but is better to have a "**** him" reaction to that kind of thing than to let him make you cry. I can understand the sensitivity but I would want my kids to be sensitive like...

Agreed. I never understood the logic of the gaps either. When it comes to Bird/Magic I would guess that around 70% of fans and experts have it as a coin flip with maybe 15% coming down on Bird and 15% coming down on Magic.

When all else fails for Trump….. Blame: Biden Hillary Obama Hunter’s Laptop Fake News Deep State Benghazi Her Emails

You cant? :facepalm

Nate's a bitch anyway.

Even still, I would like to think some of them showed restraint. This guy invites you to his island, and all of a sudden there's this really young girl coming onto you? I would like to think that A) some of them had the wits to realize they were being set up ... and B) some of them weren't interested.

MAGAS defense now is, "So what if Trump f#cked little girls?" This is disturbing even for a cult.

Of course, two reasons. 1. Fewer of them exist. White people born after 1980 have had "racism bad" drilled into their heads since birth. 2. Anti-black racism carries a much more significant punishment than anti-white racism, proving that if there is systemic racism it is geared towards whites and not blacks.

The girls that were underage were teens, so for many of them they probably didn't view it as pedophilia. They were partying and then engaging with a 15 year old, not a 5 year old. And this was during a time when pedophilia hadn't quite blown up yet. Over the last decade or so it's kind of gone viral.

He puts Yang on his jersey so people will know he's Chinese because you can't tell by looking at his face.

Spectacle about to start

I would also guess that the files aren't just limited to sexual acts. I'm sure of some of the "clients" are compromised in other ways too. Proof of bribery, stuff like that. I'm saying this because I can't imagine that every single target was ready and willing to take a little girl mistress. If that option isn't on the table they have to try...

Sinner now actually entering the match as the slight favorite.