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He is. But I'm a bit nervous for his longer term value based on that below par Olympics showing. It makes me possibly believe he is a system player. As the Celtics completely overhaul the roster and likely his role, if he falls back to his Spurs level of play, he will still be tradable, but Celtics would be kicking themselves for not trading...

A.Grimes was also drafted the same year as Suggs, Kuminga and Giddey. It all makes sense now why Grimes is hell bent on getting $25mil per year. Suggs deal set the market

Tim Hardaway avg 23 and 11 and couldn't dunk.

2nd Team Hakeem Draymond Kawhi Tony Allen Frazier (I'm labeling Duncan a center)

Basketball fans are the most inconsistent in their line of reasoning when it comes to their logic about how they perceive players. 90-95 percent debate like a female would.

It's kind of mind-blowing to think but at 30 mil per Derrick White is actually a bargain.

Is his plus minus due to a complete lack of defensive effectiveness?

Now jon koncak was a ridiculous contract

Yea a net negative is still a net negative. Let’s see LeBron play properly like a regular starter who plays defense and plays a team game.

patsy jealous cause trump sent 2 over our 6,000 community , while NY gets nodda

Still better than the nets

20pts was a lot for anyone back then, almost unheard of for a PG. Plus the way he orchestrated that team and the athleticism was off the chart. A complete unicorn.

"Bu-bu-bu-bu-but he got a DUNK!!!!" :roll: Net negative. Any way you try to slice it, no matter how much damage control you try to do, he's still a net negative. Truth hurts.

Like I said you don’t get a handicap score for being 40. You don’t get brownie points. In terms of effectiveness, you and I BOTH agree 100 percent that LeBron is a liability.

Imagine MJ doing this at age 40. Curry is 37 and has 1 dunk in the last 6 years.

Best player on those Sonics teams as well.

What?

It really isn't. Giddey averaged 21/11/9 on 50/46/81 splits post-ASB and they went 12 - 7 in those games. He has all-star potential and Bulls are going nowhere without him and refuse to tank.

Curry/MJ would be "off-ball" pretty much the entire time. Jokic/Lebron would be running the offense (they can both space the floor if needed). Duncan is the only one who might have an awkward fit, but his BBIQ/Passing/Defense make up for it. Honestly any time I think of an all-time starting five, the PF position is the hardest to figure out....

CP3 Kobe Kawhi KG Wemby

By the time he got to the Nuggets, he wasn't that same player. Utah, possibly part of ATL, maybe.

Cant quit me!

So what is your actual take? Anyways 2017 Cavs are the best offensive team in NBA history and would beat 90% of teams that won a championship they got unlucky and ran into the greatest team of all time Curry deserved finals MVP in both 2015 & 2017 The top Euro league teams can beat the top NBA teams in a 7 game series

Not sure id call millsap a small ball 4. He came in as the ncaa rebound champ and an old school bruiser who developed a modern game

I see 3ball triggered the usual cast of Bronie fluffers with FACTS. Truth sure does hurt when you're mentally weak. :lebroncry:

I was about to come in and say "still better than Philly" But looking at that depth chart I dunno, yikes Celtics roster is awful :oldlol:

3ball celebrating the 4th in style