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So all we’re asking is that he’s not a negative plus minus. I guess breaking even is considered goat standards to you.

Idk but Op was the smallest beaner lebron stan out of them

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^Delusional. This is why you get ridiculed so much on here, Dudley.

There is a lot more to such a comparison than scoring numbers. Most importantly, the question of who was the better defender should be addressed. Honestly I can't answer that question because I ignored that team (MJ was clearly no longer the player he once was so I felt no need to watch) but figure that should be addressed. One thing I will...

Timmy was a beast and had the best non carry crossover. Funniest thing about this I think it was a preseason game. He was a competitor in every sense of the word and that goes along way.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aFEF6geHkGE "he just gave them SO... MUCH.... confidence...."

46 % ain't that bad when shooting five 3's in like 1991. Unheard of back then lol.

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40 year old Mjs seasons didn't even count anymore when he played for the wizards

40 year old MJ couldn't even make the playoffs with an all-star teammate who averaged 30 ppg just two seasons prior. To top it off he missed the playoffs while playing in a historically weak conference too. :lol Nice try.

Taking a lot more shots and with less efficiency. Run TMC may as well have had Mike D'Antoni coaching them.

40 year old MJ with Lebron's supporting cast in '25 wins a championship - doesn't get embarrassed and bounced in the FIRST ROUND as the favorite with HCA. :lol Nice try.

Are we being genuine here tho? The Lakers dont play Lebron with a zone the same way the Mavs did to shift the spotlight onto Wade. And Kobe would have his hands full with that matchup for sure. Meta would be on Lebron who averaged 27 7 7 against meta on 49%.....for his career. Imo in 2011, it's more likely vs the Lakers Lebron would have...

Meanwhile, 40 year old MJ didn't even make the playoffs. Bron haters are not very bright. They always shoot themselves in the foot.

Poor start? Did you watch the playoffs? Lebron choked away the series. Go watch the fourth quarters of those games. Particularly the must-win games 4 and 5.

:lebronamazed::lebronamazed::lebronamazed: Holy shit, King Louie SPRAYING.

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I should have went with Leonard but it ain’t that serious and MJ vs Pippen would be fun

Was posting at Hey Yo, not you

Projection :lol

His poor plus minus was mostly from his poor start to the season, and old LeBron always stars seasons kinda slow. Once he got into a groove he was positive. Remember all the games they won without AD before he got traded? They went 8-1 without AD last season, before Luka even made his debut with us. No 40 year old came close to this impact.

Mostly yeah. Bulk of it can be blamed on 3PT% difference as in opponents shot 5% worse with him off the court, but he is lazy to close out on 3PT shooters these days. Lakers however also were able to maintain their offense in the non-Lebron minutes which really wasn't the case in years past. Reaves really stepped up and obviously him and Luka were...

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Lebron is the best plus-minus player of all time, so I guess OP must think Lebron is GOAT if he is going to focus on plus-minus.

What a ***** putting Ben the bust Simmons on there put Gary Payton you b!tch white chocolate murked that ninja. I’d put Stockton before Simmons One of the few shaq respects. Payton, arguably, the best Point Guard ever tried to trip the white boy from West Virginia who went to high school with Randy Moss. The new gen is so soft with their...

Draymond is a bitch compared to Dennis Rodman. What you think the R in my moniker stands for? I was JOR but got banned 20 years ago. Before that. I was on this site back in 1991 and I had to walk through snow to access it. Rodman is a real human. 100%. I don’t care what his daughter says. He named Madonna in her prime and he was homeless...

Ehh, you guys just keep holding him to an unbelievable standard. It says you guys truly believe hes worthy of goat without actually saying it. His plus or minus, honestly from watching him just means he cant carry the bench lineups to a positive anymore, and they (meaning probably him and his coach) arent facing this reality and still running him...