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If we're talking prime for prime, I'd probably disagree, but you could make a valid argument for Hornacek. But if we're talking the Utah version, absolutely indefensibly stupid to claim that version of Hornacek is better than peak Klay.

Can you not do this here?

Timing is also a huge factor, 80's had a ton of PG's but not too many legendary PF's. Malone set a new standard for the position and he was chasing Kareem. 00-10 we got more clarity in how you could have a bunch of Malone's but Stocktons were the rare ones.

No its not just scoring. Jeff was better in almost every advanced stat. Way better playmaker and dynamic offensive player while also shooting more efficiently than Klay. Klay is a better defender which lessens the gap but perhaps not by enough to overtake him. Hornacek was an above average defender as well and Klays defense is vastly overrated. He...

I don't think so. Plus the Lakers ain't eating $54mil for nothing.

Nope 4x NBA MVP 4x finals mvp is better than 1 NBA finals mvp and 2 finals MVP.

Op should show us where Horry was ever in consideration for finals mvp due to taking over an entire series on the defensive end d.

So the end all be all criteria of "scoring .matters most" ....."uh uh eye test"...."uhh uhh rangz" goes out the window depending on which way we want to bend? Because I guarantee Klay annihilates Hornacek as a scorer without looking at a single stat. And as a defender? Kinda laughable comparison and that's not to say Jeff was some pushover, he...

This has been common knowledge for some time now. Hes had more playoff game winners inn a week than Kobes had in a career. And yeah he also has more playoff gamewinners than Jordan does, the most ever in fact. Go do some researxh instead of copy pasting walls of incoherent babble. Probably time to upgrade your software from LeBron troll 1.0 to...

He was plenty effective but LAs frontcourt got dominated by Rudy "Wilt Chamberlain" Gobert in the playoffs.

Bro you realize for boxing the current Heavyweight champ of the world is a white guy right? And the guy he beat was a white guy too. Usyk and Tyson Fury. And ironically enough the champion of MMA UFC is a black guy. Jon Jones. You really have things backwards here. Even your boy from Mehico Canelo is a straight up gringo genetically.

No he doesn't. Nice try though. :lol Biggest choker of all time.

No question Curry is the best player of his generation. Curry is everything that Bronie fans wish Lebron was, and is not.

Hornacek and John Stockton averaged 10 ppg and 9.7 ppg in the 1998 NBA finals. The 2020 miami heat have out of their 5 players averaged more points than Hornacek and Stockton. Jordan had terrible competition in the 1990's.

Actually the playoff data says Hornacek was slightly better over signifigant sample size. Welcome to reality.

I don't think any of that matters. Pippen is clearly a better offensive player than Horry. Horry has barely had seasons where he averaged double figures regular season or playoffs. I agree that Pippen had several offensive shortcomings, but a comparison to Horry doesn't move the conversation forward. This thread is no better than using...

Got some data to back up your stuff? Or is this just a “trust me bro”

existence is pain :roll:

Lakers signed Jake LaRavia, who is probably the single most similar player in the league to Dalton Knecht. Same size, same age, both have bounce and can get super hot from outside. Nothing special defensively but not the worst either. Feels like Knecht being put in a deal at some point is still very much on the menu. Almost a certainty.

Most players in the nba couldnt function without a pick. They would be helpless even with handchecking and playing physical defense banned. They need switches and or screens to score. If the nba ever banned PnR a lot of your favorite players would be out of the league within 3 years.

No, he was simply the best player on the best team in the regular season. How can you not understand something that's so basic? People who win MVP usually have the best team around them. Nobody was calling Rose the best player in the NBA. :oldlol: Now please go away. Just like you did in the political forum once Trump won.

Some voters did think Rose was the best player in the league. Not sure why all of this is so hard for your to understand. In fact Jackson has won MVP twice. Guys don't win that award without impressing a lot of people. You not being able to understand something that's pretty basic doesn't mean it isn't true. Goodnight.

Yea, and Derrick Rose was considered better than LeBron and Kobe when he won his MVP as well. :oldlol: Time to go to sleep old man.

Patrick "Mr. Blubber" Chewing

Just a few years younger than Jasper.

Where you could give Klay shit is the other aspects of his defense, in particular off ball, team/help defense. He wasn't particularly great in those areas which limited his defensive impact (it shows in the advanced stats). But as a man defender, I've never seen a pure shooter as good as Klay.

By MVP voters in that season he was. It's not a judgment on their whole careers, it's the opinion of any mvp voter that thinks the best quarterback for that season is the most valuable player. Try to keep up.

You wish that was me, fake Jew boy.

MaxFly aka Off the Court is so unhinged. He wants there to be a conspiracy so bad. I already told ya. There are only two possibilities here. There actually is no list and no proof of who was there and who had sex with who. Or......the list is huge and full of powerful people from all over the world that the fallout would be too big to ever...