"Drive" is the most overrated movie of all time...EVER

[-p.tiddy-]

*spoilers*

How was this movie up for awards?

A guy gets in trouble with the mob and kills them all...THE END



you think that since it was filmed artsy and stylized that it makes the movie good???

you think that since Gosling's character was quiet and eccentric it makes the movie deep???

Since there are long pauses inbetween scenes it a work of art???

you think cause the director choose unusal music that didn't seem to fit scenes that it is revolutionary???



you're all fcking retards...holy shit...at some point in time that movie has to have A FCKING PLOT!!!

I can't believe how much hype this shit got...is that all a director has to do these days???

MAKE THE FILM LOOK AND FEEL INDY = OSCAR!!!!

:facepalm

[kNIOKAS]

that one song was good.
but yeah he got into it with a mob and then was surprised that they weren't going to muck around. that was so naive.

[heyhey]

if u want to take that approach and simplify a film into two simple lines to incite derision u can do that with any movie

[A.M.G.]

Why blame everyone for the movie's "buzz"? When you say "you're all fcking retards", who are you talking to, because it sounds like you're talking to everyone.

I saw the movie, liked it for the music at the beginning and Albert Brooks, but it definitely had some plot holes, and it was a little full-of-itself I guess? Like it thought it was better than it was?

Also for a movie called Drive about a getaway driver, there was only two fairly short car chases.

[-p.tiddy-]

if u want to take that approach and simplify a film into two simple lines to incite derision u can do that with any movie
the plot and story were overly simplistic...you know that

take away the indy style filming and you are left with almost nothing

[-p.tiddy-]

Why blame everyone for the movie's "buzz"? When you say "you're all fcking retards", who are you talking to, because it sounds like you're talking to everyone.

I saw the movie, liked it for the music at the beginning and Albert Brooks, but it definitely had some plot holes, and it was a little full-of-itself I guess? Like it thought it was better than it was?

Also for a movie called Drive about a getaway driver, there was only two fairly short car chases.
I guess the reviewers...they felt like they had to give it high reviews because of the indy feel

reviewers on RT gave it 93%

the actual viewers gave it 79%, which is still high but not over the top

[IGOTGAME]

Drive Soundtrack was legit though. I liked the movie, my favorite movie of the year. Gosling killed it. It was simple but well done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9J4R4KYv-s

[tomtucker]

i hated when the guy get his wrist cut with that razer.. made me ill..anyone else felt that was nasty ?

[Myth]

Or..... it was the best movie of 2011. :banana:

[verylegit]

Or..... it was the best movie of 2011. :banana:
:rockon:

[Joshumitsu]

Soundtrack was great. Plus, people tell me the Driver reminds me of them.

A lot of Drive fans feel the film should've been nominated for an Oscar or something. But really. other than some nice chase scenes and nice performances, it's not that great or revolutionary.

I still enjoy the film though.

[Story Up]

It was a great movie, I enjoyed it.

[Rnbizzle]

*spoilers*

Titanic is so overrated, there was this boat and then it hit and ice berg. So the boat sinks and they and they all die.. The end.

Why the **** do people think that's a good film?

Inb4 people who can't comprehend a bit of sarcasm.

[-p.tiddy-]

*spoilers*

Titanic is so overrated, there was this boat and then it hit and ice berg. So the boat sinks and they and they all die.. The end.

Why the **** do people think that's a good film?

Inb4 people who can't comprehend a bit of sarcasm.
this is very true though, so if you are trying to be sarcastic you aren't

Titanic was just a love story and that is it...it too was very overrated...most people know that though

[-p.tiddy-]

It was a great movie, I enjoyed it.
could you tell me what made this film so great?

[IGOTGAME]

could you tell me what made this film so great?

It was a top 5 of the year. The characters were enjoyable. The acting was well done and dialogue was superb. Cinematography was well done. Plus, it did a great job of using an amazing soundtrack.

Seems like a really good movie to me. You get a love story and the story of a closet bad ass(all with good acting and direction). What is there not to like?

[Rnbizzle]

this is very true though, so if you are trying to be sarcastic you aren't

Titanic was just a love story and that is it...it too was very overrated...most people know that though
Yeah maybe Titanic wasn't the best example.. I was just more pointing out the way you argue can be used on any film. I personally thought Drive was great.

[Meticode]

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I gave it a solid 7/10 maybe even a 8/10.

You sound like the lady that went to see it at the movies and because the previews passed the movie off as a Fast and the Furious copy, she got upset and sued for false advertising. :oldlol:

[-p.tiddy-]

It was a top 5 of the year. The characters were enjoyable. The acting was well done and dialogue was superb. Cinematography was well done. Plus, it did a great job of using an amazing soundtrack.

Seems like a really good movie to me. You get a love story and the story of a closet bad ass(all with good acting and direction). What is there not to like?
there was no dialogue...the main characters were damn near mutes...my GF asked me "have you ever met anyone that quiet?"

the characters were DULL DULL DULL...couldn't have made a more sterotypical mob bad guy...the girl was just a girl...Gosling was a mute

the cinematography was decent I guess...lots of city and shaky cam

love story?...barley...not that I even wanted that...I didn't even care when Gosling got stabbed



IMO underneath the indy fliming and direction there is little substance here

it had gritty violence, I'll give it that...but I wasn't looking for a horror flick

[Meticode]

After watching the movie, the song "Midnight City" by M83 would've fit perfectly in the soundtrack as well with this movie with the other songs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX3k_QDnzHE

[-p.tiddy-]

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I gave it a solid 7/10 maybe even a 8/10.

You sound like the lady that went to see it at the movies and because the previews passed the movie off as a Fast and the Furious copy, she got upset and sued for false advertising. :oldlol:
I was expecting a deep and meaningful story worthy of an Oscar like most made it out to be

[-p.tiddy-]

seems like most people here like the soundtrack more than the movie itself...

[Riddler]

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I gave it a solid 7/10 maybe even a 8/10.

You sound like the lady that went to see it at the movies and because the previews passed the movie off as a Fast and the Furious copy, she got upset and sued for false advertising. :oldlol:


Have you seen Contagion yet... what did you think of that movie?

That was some false advertising...


(Have not seen DRIVE yet)

[Meticode]

seems like most people here like the soundtrack more than the movie itself...
The soundtrack is basically what made the movie. If you research the movie reviews, the soundtrack is talked about more-so because that's partially why it has a cult following.

[kentatm]

I liked it all around. I thought it was refreshing that Gosling was quiet and only kicked ass when it was needed. It reminded me of how Clint Eastwood was in some of those old cowboy flicks.

[Meticode]

Have you seen Contagion yet... what did you think of that movie?

That was some false advertising...


(Have not seen DRIVE yet)
No I haven't. I wasn't really interested in it. Not to spoil it, but there's literally really not driving scenes or get-away scenes in the movie past the first one. It's more a indie acting film that has gritty violence towards the middle-to-end.

[IGOTGAME]

there was no dialogue...the main characters were damn near mutes...my GF asked me "have you ever met anyone that quiet?"

the characters were DULL DULL DULL...couldn't have made a more sterotypical mob bad guy...the girl was just a girl...Gosling was a mute

the cinematography was decent I guess...lots of city and shaky cam

love story?...barley...not that I even wanted that...I didn't even care when Gosling got stabbed



IMO underneath the indy fliming and direction there is little substance here

it had gritty violence, I'll give it that...but I wasn't looking for a horror flick

I disagree about the dialogue the most. There wasn't much but it was meaningful. What was even more meaningful was Ryan Gosling's use of body language and facial expressions. Imo he has the best smirks in Hollywood, meaning he is the best at he can convey so many nuanced emotions using his body and primarily his face.

I can see why someone wouldn't like it after the hype but I have seen it twice and it held up to a second viewing to me.

your right about the soundtrack. it was tough. definitely give it a listen.

[Meticode]

I disagree about the dialogue the most. There wasn't much but it was meaningful. What was even more meaningful was Ryan Gosling's use of body language and facial expressions. Imo he has the best smirks in Hollywood, meaning he is the best at he can convey so many nuanced emotions using his body and primarily his face.

I can see why someone wouldn't like it after the hype but I have seen it twice and it held up to a second viewing to me.
Agreed with all of this. You didn't need a ton of dialog in the movie to portray how the characters felt and how the situation was. For example the scene where the Driver meets the father for the first in the hallway. Gosling is all cool about it and you can tell the guy taking the trash out is agitated as f*ck that he helped her out while he was locked up. :oldlol:

[-p.tiddy-]

I disagree about the dialogue the most. There wasn't much but it was meaningful. What was even more meaningful was Ryan Gosling's use of body language and facial expressions. Imo he has the best smirks in Hollywood, meaning he is the best at he can convey so many nuanced emotions using his body and primarily his face.

I can see why someone wouldn't like it after the hype but I have seen it twice and it held up to a second viewing to me.

your right about the soundtrack. it was tough. definitely give it a listen.
it was "meaningful" because he was so quiet?...and used a lot of blank stares?

and yeah, I wish this movie didn't have so much hype...If had low expectations going into this I probably would have loved it...I was expecting something amazing though...but nope, just a quiet guy killing mobsters

[bagelred]

It was not a good movie. I just shrugged my shoulders when I left.

However, EVERYONE loves this movie so much, it makes me want to say it sucks, just to get the point across.

The characters were awful. Literally, I think Gosling said less than 200 words the whole movie. And he's the STAR. :facepalm

It started off promising then just was inexplicably weird, violent for no particular reason except to shock......shrug...........I didn't feel anything for any of the characters.

The movie was called Drive....ya know what it lacked? Driving!!! That first scene set us up for interesting driving scenes for later. We got basically nothing. Shrug.

[IlliniFan]

Anyone that doesn't like it can go **** themselves.

[Story Up]

I loved the soundtrack, its simplicity (ambitious films aren't always my forte) and Gosling's performance was outstanding.

[-p.tiddy-]

The characters were awful. Literally, I think Gosling said less than 200 words the whole movie. And he's the STAR. :facepalm

but the way he looked at people was so meaningful...

people just want to like this for its indy feel...I am sure of it

[-p.tiddy-]

http://whatculture.com/film/why-drive-is-the-moster-overrated-film-of-2011.php?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=why-drive-is-the-moster-overrated-film-of-2011

[QUOTE]This brings us to Nicolas Winding Refn

[-p.tiddy-]

[QUOTE] It plays out like a glorification of indie culture

[bagelred]

http://whatculture.com/film/why-drive-is-the-moster-overrated-film-of-2011.php?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=why-drive-is-the-moster-overrated-film-of-2011



this article nails it :bowdown:

What's strange is did you see Crazy Stupid Love? Gosling was really good in that. Very cool and also very funny. "Be BETTER than the GAP!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbNnVV5cnSw

DRIVE was just a bad role. He did nothing. It brought him nowhere. Just weird.

[IGOTGAME]

What's strange is did you see Crazy Stupid Love? Gosling was really good in that. Very cool and also very funny. "Be BETTER than the GAP!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbNnVV5cnSw

This was just a bad role. He did nothing. It brought him nowhere. Just weird.

he was really good in all 3 movies last year. He had a great year in 2011.

[donald_trump]

a perfect way for me to describe the movie would be with a sports reference. its like going into a great game, lakers-celtics, madrid-barca, manchester-chelsea, etc and then having the refs think they're the star of the show and make too many calls and spoil the game.

same thing here. director/producer touched the movie up to much and made it too full of itself.

and yes, the soundtrack was amazing. one of the best if not the best ive heard.

[Rnbizzle]

he was really good in all 3 movies last year. He had a great year in 2011.
All three?

Drive
Crazy Stupid Love
?

What's the third? I'd like to see that too..

[heyhey]

what's your favorite movie p-diddy?

I think your need for highly complex story or a more verbose main charaacter is misplaced. The Driver is a throwback film for me, it definitely pays homage to films like Le Samourai or the professional or shane.

It's about an archetypical loner who throughout the film discovers the need for human connection in his spartan life.

The character doesn't speak much because he doesn't need to. The story is simple but that doesn't take away from its power.

[donald_trump]

ides of march with george clooney rnbizzle.

[bagelred]

What's the third? I'd like to see that too..

The Ides of March, which I didn't see. Gosling was NOT good in Drive, but I guess it really wasn't his fault. It was the material.

[-p.tiddy-]

I love Gosling as an actor, but to say he was brilliant in Drive is just putting WAY WAY WAY too much stock into indie type filming...



It seems like I could make ANY scene "meaningful" by toning down the dialog, and dragging out lots of blank stares...

could have Gosling taking a piss for 5 minutes in slow mo...just staring into the toilet...and there is the indie crowd to say it was deep and meaningful

"HE DIDN'T NEED TO MOAN WHEN HE PISSED, I COULD TELL IT FELT GOOD TO HIM!!!...GENIUS!!!"

[Rnbizzle]

Appreciated.

[bagelred]

Most overrated movie ever, for me, was The Thin Red Line. Remember that movie?

It gave AMAZING reviews, up for best picture.......I saw it with friends years ago....we just looked at each other........it was painful to watch, that's how bad it was. One of my friends left midway :lol he had something to go to.

That was one of the worst movies I ever saw, that was supposed to be fantastic.

[-p.tiddy-]

prime, you should watch "tree of life" next and come back with feedback.
Terrence Malik is a freind of my parents actually, my dad was very good friends with his brother Chris Malik who commited suicide a few years ago

I am familiar with his films...but I have not seen Tree of Life yet...I know Malik is extremely artistic with his style though

guy is a recluse though...like 2 pictures of him exist...lol

["Jesus"]

And Shawshank Redemption was a guy that was wrongly accused and went to prison who broke out with a bit of Morgan Freeman voiceover sprinkled on top.

Drive isn't for everyone, knowing that it is an arthouse film should already tell you that. However, I do agree that it didn't deserve the Oscar recognition that it did (although it ended up not being nominated at all).

[pauk]

disagree

[-p.tiddy-]

And Shawshank Redemption was a guy that was wrongly accused and went to prison who broke out with a bit of Morgan Freeman voiceover sprinkled on top.

Drive isn't for everyone, knowing that it is an arthouse film should already tell you that. However, I do agree that it didn't deserve the Oscar recognition that it did (although it ended up not being nominated at all).
Shawshank had 100x more character development and story than this film

there was more dialogue in 10 minutes of Shawshank than there was in all of Drive

[-p.tiddy-]

the script for Drive was probably a 3 pages that looked like:

Girl: * deep meaningful stare at Gosling*

Gosling: * deep meaningful stare at girl*
Gosling: "I'm not doing anything this weekend"
Gosling: * deep meaningful stare at girl*

Girl: * deep meaningful stare at Gosling*
Girl: * deep meaningful stare at Gosling*
Girl: * deep meaningful stare at Gosling*

[Joshumitsu]

Ryan Gosling is irritatingly silent and smug to the extent you want to enter the film, slap him across the face repetitively with a large piece of wood screaming, ‘You were in Blue Valentine! How are you this bad now?!’ to which you would probably only get smug silence in return; leading to a next day headline of ‘Angry film goer brutally murders Ryan Gosling with a piece of fishing equipment.’



this article nails it :bowdown:

....Well...shoot. Since people compare my demeanor to the Driver's, does this mean that I also come across as smug looking? And thus, the author desires to beat me across the face with a "large piece of wood" and/or murder me with "fishing equipment"*?

I don't even know what the author means by that. He either wants to kill me or has repressed homosexual thoughts for Ryan Gosling and me.

What gives?

:confusedshrug:

[RidonKs]

the plot and story were overly simplistic...you know that

take away the indy style filming and you are left with almost nothing
err... yeah. the fact that it was made as compelling and enthralling as it was with so simple of a plot, you hold against it? lol

the music and direction fit the script to perfection. no long-winded monologues, no random injections of drama into the plot. it was about this driver guy who inserts himself into a crazy family situation and has his life f*cked as a result. you need more, you came to the wrong place.

i gave it an 8/10 which is all i think it deserves based on its lack of a punchy story. nevertheless, it was brilliantly done for what it was. kinda reminded me of Sin City for whatever reason, i guess just because of the pitch perfect atmosphere.

[bagelred]

And Shawshank Redemption was a guy that was wrongly accused and went to prison who broke out with a bit of Morgan Freeman voiceover sprinkled on top.

Drive isn't for everyone, knowing that it is an arthouse film should already tell you that. However, I do agree that it didn't deserve the Oscar recognition that it did (although it ended up not being nominated at all).

Really? Comparing Drive to Shawshank? :lol

That's like Jordan Crawford comparing himself to Michael Jordan.

[-p.tiddy-]

err... yeah. the fact that it was made as compelling and enthralling as it was with so simple of a plot, you hold against it? lol

the music and direction fit the script to perfection. no long-winded monologues, no random injections of drama into the plot. it was about this driver guy who inserts himself into a crazy family situation and has his life f*cked as a result. you need more, you came to the wrong place.

i gave it an 8/10 which is all i think it deserves based on its lack of a punchy story. nevertheless, it was brilliantly done for what it was. kinda reminded me of Sin City for whatever reason, i guess just because of the pitch perfect atmosphere.
compelling and enthralling?

I'm with the guy in that article, when Gosling gets stabbed at the end you don't know if he lived or dies AND YOU DON'T CARE!!!

Very bad sign for q movie when you don't care if the main character lives or dies...maybe if he saud more than two words it would be different.

[RidonKs]

lol, maybe you didn't care. i cared. and yeah, i was enthralled... captivated, mesmerized, enchanted. the whole nine yards. it didn't matter that Gosling's character didn't say word one to anybody, you got to know him. and the fact that they managed to bring a more or less silent stone faced character to life like that was on the level with something like Wall-E.

i laughed every time he remained completely silent after something was said to him... and even more when the silent stare would finally break into the slightest nervous smile. that's how the character was written and it worked for me. the relationship between him and the chick was as understated as any i've ever seen, kinda like Lost in Translation. i didn't feel like they had to deliberately explain their chemistry, because i felt it.

but hey, different strokes and all. you didn't even care for the music and the colour tones of the city that set the atmosphere? (maybe you already said so in this thread, i didn't read through the whole thing)

i get your complaints, they just didn't stop me from enjoying the hell out of the movie. it excelled in other ways.

[Randy]

Primetime: the king of hyperbole and being consistently, and wildly, wrong.

It cracks me up that the lack of dialogue is a contributing factor to why Drive is so "bad". Film is a visual art form, this isn't theatre, and Drive doesn't need to rely on people always talking to tell its story.

[RidonKs]

-pt- thought it was a radioplay so he had his eyes closed the whole time

[NuggetsFan]

Gosling killed his part, made it his own. Didn't need any witty banter or long scenes of dialogue. I though his character was awesome personally. Music was awesome. Just overall thought the acting was really good from Carey Mulligan right down to Cranston and Brooks.

Personally thought the simpleness of it all was what made it great. Wouldn't have been as good if there was tons of talking, tons of action etc. IMO anyways.

Best of '11 for me :lol

[-p.tiddy-]

In my opinion Drive is a work of art. ART. And everyone interprets art differently. What I find profound and moving, you might find dull and forgettable. That painting with the shapes might impart a feeling of sorrow upon you, whereas with me I might not find it worthy of a $1 price-tag.
It is art just like any other film...but yes different strokes

Like u said earlier I would have liked thus film had my expectations not been through the roof...this thing wasn't close to Oscar worthy

[-p.tiddy-]

Primetime: the king of hyperbole and being consistently, and wildly, wrong.

It cracks me up that the lack of dialogue is a contributing factor to why Drive is so "bad". Film is a visual art form, this isn't theatre, and Drive doesn't need to rely on people always talking to tell its story.
Wrong about my opinion?

Dialogue not important in film?



How is your directing career going you giant douchy meat head?

["Jesus"]

Leading contender for Best Picture this year is a silent film...

[-p.tiddy-]

Leading contender for Best Picture this year is a silent film...
The Artist is subtitled

Comedy about a silent film maker

I have not seen it though...

[Hotlantadude81]

there was no dialogue...the main characters were damn near mutes...my GF asked me "have you ever met anyone that quiet?"

the characters were DULL DULL DULL...couldn't have made a more sterotypical mob bad guy...the girl was just a girl...Gosling was a mute

the cinematography was decent I guess...lots of city and shaky cam

love story?...barley...not that I even wanted that...I didn't even care when Gosling got stabbed



IMO underneath the indy fliming and direction there is little substance here

it had gritty violence, I'll give it that...but I wasn't looking for a horror flick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2tv3fTa7OY

Haven't watched Drive yet, but have you seen "The Driver"? It's a throw back to that type of film and an actor like Steve McQueen for instance. The guy isn't supposed to have lots of dialogue. This type of character usually doesn't.

[JustinJDW]

Watched it a 2nd time on DVD last night. Still awesome.

[OmniStrife]

I watched it knowing nothing about it,
Thought it was some action / driving / chase flick.

Boy, was I wrong! And I glad I was, it was a great film.
OP should go watch Transformers or something.

[ConanRulesNBC]

It was a top 5 of the year. The characters were enjoyable. The acting was well done and dialogue was superb. Cinematography was well done. Plus, it did a great job of using an amazing soundtrack.

Seems like a really good movie to me. You get a love story and the story of a closet bad ass(all with good acting and direction). What is there not to like?

I bought this on friday and watched it last night and enjoyed it. But... what dialogue?? Ryan Gosling said like 5 words the entire movie. What made the movie great was Albert Brooks and Ron Perlman and there wasn't enough of them in the movie. Gosling's character was so annoying. Someone would talk to him and he'd pause like 10 seconds before he'd say a word or just stare at them looking like a moron.

[ConanRulesNBC]

I watched it knowing nothing about it,
Thought it was some action / driving / chase flick.

Boy, was I wrong! And I glad I was, it was a great film.
OP should go watch Transformers or something.

It should have been more of an action/driving/chase flick.

I liked it though for the most part. It was good except for all the parts with Ryan Gosling and Carey Mulligan together.

[Kebab Stall]

Watched it again last night for a second time. For me, it's easily in my top 10 films, but then again, I'm not a big movie buff. I have the likes of Star Wars, Pulp Fiction and Lebowski in my top 10.

Drive is a brilliant movie, although I can completely see why other's wouldn't like it. It hasn't been nominated for an Oscar and rightfully so, in my opinion, but it is a great movie and will be a cult classic.

[Nick Young]

this is very true though, so if you are trying to be sarcastic you aren't

Titanic was just a love story and that is it...it too was very overrated...most people know that though
Not exactly. Titanic is an iconic love story that works all over the world and has made millions of dollars.

It's a shitty cheesy movie, but very universal. Everyone from anywhere in the world can relate to that shit.

Same with Avatar. Cameron has stupid dialogue and cliche done-before plots but you can't deny he reaches a broad audience.

[OmniStrife]

It should have been more of an action/driving/chase flick.

I liked it though for the most part. It was good except for all the parts with Ryan Gosling and Carey Mulligan together.
I disagree,
the elevator scene, and the scene where they drive down the tunnel with her kid are two of the best scenes in that movie.

The elevator scene is my personal favorite.

[miller-time]

i'm very wary about this movie. i haven't seen it yet, but what i hate about any movie is the car chase scene and a movie called "drive" is almost certainly going to have more than one.

[leopoldstotch]

The Artist is subtitled

Comedy about a silent film maker

I have not seen it though...

after watching the Artist, you will be doing this :bowdown: .. great movie

[-p.tiddy-]

I can't believe how overrated this film is, and its all because you love feeling "obey".


"Oh its so meaningful, he doesn't even need to talk!!!, look how indy it is"



You're all fools, seriously....you've been had, stop feeling like you're deep, you aren't.

[RidonKs]

:roll: you're just never going to get it, are you pt?


who's saying the movie is 'deep' or 'meaningful'? oh wait, it's just you.

literally, nobody else. just. you.



you think that since Gosling's character was quiet and eccentric it makes the movie deep???

I was expecting a deep and meaningful story worthy of an Oscar like most made it out to be

It seems like I could make ANY scene "meaningful" by toning down the dialog, and dragging out lots of blank stares...

the script for Drive was probably a 3 pages that looked like:

Girl: * deep meaningful stare at Gosling*

Gosling: * deep meaningful stare at girl*
Gosling: "I'm not doing anything this weekend"
Gosling: * deep meaningful stare at girl*

Girl: * deep meaningful stare at Gosling*
Girl: * deep meaningful stare at Gosling*
Girl: * deep meaningful stare at Gosling*

You're all fools, seriously....you've been had, stop feeling like you're deep, you aren't.


you got one other guy in this thread to tell you that Gosling's character was 'meaningful', whatever the f*ck that means.

nothing about the movie was deep or meaningful. those words don't capture by any stretch of the imagination what the movie had going for it. Gosling's character was just some dude, a really good driver, who mixes himself up with the wrong crowd and hijinx ensues. that's it, kapoot, no more to read into the story than that. and in spite of the plot lacking even a hint of complexity, it was really entertaining and highly stylized. the visuals were breathtaking, the music got you right into it, and the dialogue/character portrayals worked in perfect unison with the stylization. people don't f*cking like it because it's indie you bonehead, don't be silly -- in fact, a truer statement would be that you don't like it because it's indie -- even though i highly doubt that as well.

it was unique. you won't find many movies like it, and if you can think of any, i'd like to hear them. that fact right there is full on proof that it isn't good just because it follows the strains of whatever's popular in the current cultural climate.

whenever there's one dude ranting that everybody else is the fool while they all laugh at him... well, you get the idea.

[Rnbizzle]

Amen. :bowdown:

Repped.

[-p.tiddy-]

No ridonks, the general population can and has been wrong all the fcking time.

Esp when it comes to movies...I can name a hundred that the majority love but really sucked, its quite common.


Who said you think this is meaningful? ME...its indy feel is why everyone overrated it

Shannon called thus a "work of art"...he was duped, No Country is a work of art, this movie was brain dead...transformers requires more thinking than this flick.

[-p.tiddy-]

Lol at your theory the unpopular opinion is always wrong...

[DUP]

The movie was good but definitely overrated

[RidonKs]

Lol at your theory the unpopular opinion is always wrong...
i wrote that as a weeeeeee joke at the end of a post filled with much more substantial content. don't focus on it. you really really honestly believe i'm devising a theory stating that unpopular opinion is always wrong? that was a major point of my post? as if anybody with a brain would back such a retarded sentiment? gimme a f*cking break dude

let me go ahead and officially retract that single sentence from the rest of my post. i take it back. i don't believe that's the truth and i never have. i didn't expect you to jump on that part of my post the way you did. in hindsight i wish i hadn't have written it.




Who said you think this is meaningful? ME...its indy feel is why everyone overrated it
did you not understand my post? why are you equating 'meaningfulness' (again i repeat, just some word you came up with as means to arguing something the film lacked) with 'indie feel'? i don't get it. yeah, it had a major indie vibe going for it. that's not why people liked it, lots of films coming out of indie camps with indie written all over them suck balls. this happened to be a good original one. yet you're poopoo'ing all over it because you... didn't get it? or because you expected more. one of the two. either way, the film isn't the problem, it's you.

but respond to the content of my post; why should this film have to be 'deep' and 'meaningful'? why are those two descriptors the only standards you seem to be using to rate it as a film?

[-p.tiddy-]

but respond to the content of my post; why should this film have to be 'deep' and 'meaningful'? why are those two descriptors the only standards you seem to be using to rate it as a film?

I know that people view it that way because this movie was made out as though it was an Oscar candidate...yes people were saying this movie was THAT good

so naturally, when I ordered this flick I was expecting something deep and meaningful along the lines of No Country for Old Men...this movie is NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE...infact it is quite the opposite, it is the most simple minded flick I have ever seen.

it's a fun little flick...not an Oscar winner, no way




read the article I posted in here on page 2 or 3 Ridonks...it is someone with the exact same view of this flick as myself...and stop acting like I am someone that "won't stop"...that "doesn't get it"...I'm not the only one that can see through this movie's false artsiness that dupes the viewers into thinking it is a work of art.

This film is a work of art like Friday the 13th is...just a bunch of violent killings...THE END

[-p.tiddy-]

either way, the film isn't the problem, it's you.


neither, the reviewers making this out to be an Oscar winner are the problem

[dunksby]

The last time Hollywood made a badass action movie with cinematic worth was 1999, go figure!

[Draz]

I said the same shit.

[Myth]

Drive was my favorite movie of the year, but it certainly wasn't because it was "deep" or "meaningful." I enjoyed it because it was top notch, stylized entertainment. The long silences and stares worked great for me because it made a stark contrast with the sudden violence, which just made the violence seem to pop. The silences also helped build the tension IMO.

[ConanRulesNBC]

I was hoping for more of a homage to the old car chase movies like Tarantino did with Death Proof.

Like I said, I thought Drive was good. Definitely not the most "overrated" movie of all time (that goes to Avatar). If Albert Brooks and Ron Perlman were not in it I probably would have hated it.

[ConanRulesNBC]

The last time Hollywood made a badass action movie with cinematic worth was 1999, go figure!

Huh?

What about Kill Bill 1 and 2? What about Sin City? What about Running Scared?

[IGOTGAME]

I haven't seen it because I hate the dudes jacket. Yes I'm that f*cking stupid.

jacket is legit. you need to buy one and starting hitting on the ladies.

[dunksby]

Huh?

What about Kill Bill 1 and 2? What about Sin City? What about Running Scared?
Maybe you did not understand me, last time Hollywood made a badass action movie with Cinematic worth was when they made Fight Club after that the standard the movie set was never reached.

[Kobe Jnr]

I asked people about this film, and its either they love it, or hate it..

[AllenIverson3]

movie was stiff

[Rnbizzle]

Maybe you did not understand me, last time Hollywood made a badass action movie with Cinematic worth was when they made Fight Club after that the standard the movie set was never reached.
You've got it all twisted.. It's actually Fight Club that's terribly overrated. Drive is pretty great.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Maybe you did not understand me, last time Hollywood made a badass action movie with Cinematic worth was when they made Fight Club after that the standard the movie set was never reached.

I understood you. I just disagree with you and think all those action movies I listed were just as good as Fight Club.

[ZeN]

Its a shame that most people haven't seen Bronson (reason for Tom Hardy getting his part as Bane). Refn doesnt pander, so bitches cant handle his shit. I dont always prefer his stories like in Valhalla Rising or Bleeder but motherphucker can direct the hell out of a movie.. under-appreciated as hell.

[Myth]

Its a shame that most people haven't seen Bronson (reason for Tom Hardy getting his part as Bane). Refn doesnt pander, so bitches cant handle his shit. I dont always prefer his stories like in Valhalla Rising or Bleeder but motherphucker can direct the hell out of a movie.. under-appreciated as hell.

I thought Bronson was OK. Hardy was great in it, but the movie itself was only OK to me.

[sunsfan1357]

Its a shame that most people haven't seen Bronson (reason for Tom Hardy getting his part as Bane). Refn doesnt pander, so bitches cant handle his shit. I dont always prefer his stories like in Valhalla Rising or Bleeder but motherphucker can direct the hell out of a movie.. under-appreciated as hell.
Agreed. I think it was ukballer that kept posting about Bronson and Valhalla Rising so I finally caught them and thoroughly enjoyed them both. Valhalla took me a little more to get used to, but I recommend primetime not watch it due to lack of talking by the main character.

[AlexanderRight]

Okay, this is what your problem is p.titty. You expected something and you got something else, and that's okay. The same thing happened to me with True Grit. The trailer made it look like it was a movie filled with badass shootouts but it turned out to be something completely different. Instead of constant action it was filled with character development with the action scenes filling the last half hour. I was a bit dissapointed but after reevaluating the film I realized it was pretty damn good because I valued it for what it was...a character piece, NOT AN ACTION FILM.

You're bitching cause Drive wasn't Fast and the Furious and thank god it was not. Complaining cause there wasn't a lot of dialogue or the plot was simple or the stares were stupid or whatever bullshit immature complaints you've been spilling over this thread. Drive is a clear arthouse picture that utilizes imagery, cinematography, and music to tell it's story rather than dialogue and as I far as I can tell, it's pretty damn effective. You're bitching cause it wasn't what you wanted it to be. Quit being an immature idiot and expand your perspective a bit. You don't have to like it and it's no problem if it's not for you but you're complaining because it's not your cup of tea, which is what 10 year old little girls do.

I don't know how long you've been watching film but a movie doesn't have to have a vast amount of dialogue and action to be effective. We have a hundred years of history that proves that. The Artist ( a silent picture) is a front runner for best picture at the Oscars for crying out loud. Quit bitching like a little girl because this wasn't Fast and the Furious. Go watch Transformers if you're too narrow minded to understand the kind of film Drive is. We need more directors like Nicolas Refren.

Watch it for what it is instead of bitching for what it's not. And only losers and little girls make threads crying about shit. Grow the **** up.

[-p.tiddy-]

Okay, this is what your problem is p.titty. You expected something and you got something else, and that's okay. The same thing happened to me with True Grit. The trailer made it look like it was a movie filled with badass shootouts but it turned out to be something completely different. Instead of constant action it was filled with character development with the action scenes filling the last half hour. I was a bit dissapointed but after reevaluating the film I realized it was pretty damn good because I valued it for what it was...a character piece, NOT AN ACTION FILM.

You're bitching cause Drive wasn't Fast and the Furious and thank god it was not. Complaining cause there wasn't a lot of dialogue or the plot was simple or the stares were stupid or whatever bullshit immature complaints you've been spilling over this thread. Drive is a clear arthouse picture that utilizes imagery, cinematography, and music to tell it's story rather than dialogue and as I far as I can tell, it's pretty damn effective. You're bitching cause it wasn't what you wanted it to be. Quit being an immature idiot and expand your perspective a bit. You don't have to like it and it's no problem if it's not for you but you're complaining because it's not your cup of tea, which is what 10 year old little girls do.

I don't know how long you've been watching film but a movie doesn't have to have a vast amount of dialogue and action to be effective. We have a hundred years of history that proves that. The Artist ( a silent picture) is a front runner for best picture at the Oscars for crying out loud. Quit bitching like a little girl because this wasn't Fast and the Furious. Go watch Transformers if you're too narrow minded to understand the kind of film Drive is. We need more directors like Nicolas Refren.

Watch it for what it is instead of bitching for what it's not. And only losers and little girls make threads crying about shit. Grow the **** up.
WRONG

read the OP again...I was expecting an Oscar winner...not fcking Fast and Furious

I was expected a deep and meaningful story (words used all over this thread) along the lines of No Country for Old Men

http://www.celebrities-with-diseases.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/oscar-statue.jpg


^^^ I WAS EXPECTING THAT

not Fast and Furious

that pic do it for you?

please read first before going off like that

[-p.tiddy-]

although Fast and Furious likely has more STORY than Drive...:lol

but I have never seen F&F

[Sakkreth]

I don't know this movie, didn't read, not gonna watch :roll:

[-p.tiddy-]

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-][QUOTE]This brings us to Nicolas Winding Refn

[rufuspaul]

felt the need to repost thi article...this sums up EXACTLY how I felt after watching it.

And it is all based around the amount of hype this movie has...

IMO it is a "wanna-be-artsy-indy-flick"...it tricked people into thinking it is a true masterpiece...but under that soundtrack and indy style filming it is nothing more than violent killings and nothing else...it isn't like anyone watching gave a shit about the love story there.



Future negged. Not really

[AlexanderRight]

WRONG

read the OP again...I was expecting an Oscar winner...not fcking Fast and Furious

I was expected a deep and meaningful story (words used all over this thread) along the lines of No Country for Old Men

http://www.celebrities-with-diseases.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/oscar-statue.jpg


^^^ I WAS EXPECTING THAT

not Fast and Furious

that pic do it for you?

please read first before going off like that


A film doesn't need to have a deep story to be a good film. It is not uncommon for directors to sacrifice complexity in the script and dialogue in favor of visual style and cinematography. Drive is a completely different film from No Country for Old Men and you shouldn't expect from one of those films to be in the other. HELL. I'm glad you brought up No Country For Old Men because I brought up True Grit, both made by the Coen Brothers but with completely different approaches and both damn good films.

I don't know why you even expected the lord of the rings plot in this movie. Trailers gave off no impression of such. When people are saying that they were caught off guard it is because of the pacing of the movie and lack of car chases, not script. And that review you keep posting is just as bias and narrow minded as you.

[AlexanderRight]

Again, you don't have to like the film but at least give legitimate arguments about why instead of complaining about the film not having something that it never intended to pursue. That's like me bitching because Titanic didn't have fighting robots. A movie doesn't need to have a deep plot in order for it to be engaging. A film can be engaging using a number of film techniques (Drive's being very clear). The complexity of the plot is just one of them. Besides, it's very clear YOU have a problem with it's indy arthouse style rather than others loving it.

[-p.tiddy-]

A film doesn't need to have a deep story to be a good film.
to be an Oscar winner it does!

show me an Oscar candidate without a story please!?

It is not uncommon for directors to sacrifice complexity in the script and dialogue in favor of visual style and cinematography. Drive is a completely different film from No Country for Old Men and you shouldn't expect from one of those films to be in the other. HELL. I'm glad you brought up No Country For Old Men because I brought up True Grit, both made by the Coen Brothers but with completely different approaches and both damn good films.

I don't know why you even expected the lord of the rings plot in this movie. Trailers gave off no impression of such. When people are saying that they were caught off guard it is because of the pacing of the movie and lack of car chases, not script. And that review you keep posting is just as bias and narrow minded as you.
I expected a deep story and Oscar type quality BECAUSE OF THE REVIEWS!!!

did you even read this thread?

go read it...now...before typing again...read

[-p.tiddy-]

Again, you don't have to like the film but at least give legitimate arguments about why instead of complaining about the film not having something that it never intended to pursue. That's like me bitching because Titanic didn't have fighting robots. A movie doesn't need to have a deep plot in order for it to be engaging. A film can be engaging using a number of film techniques (Drive's being very clear). The complexity of the plot is just one of them. Besides, it's very clear YOU have a problem with it's indy arthouse style rather than others loving it.

:roll:

READ THE THREAD

omg...wtf




HERE JUST READ THIS:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6891690&postcount=103


before you type again read that please

[-p.tiddy-]

Drive: Overrated and Underdeveloped (http://nyfwc.com/?p=2862)



another great article with same view as me...I'm def not the only one


Hipsters, before you lazily raise an eyebrow and nearly spill your macchiato all over your cardigan, and let out a dismissive, “ugh, typical,” hear me out.

LULZ

[-p.tiddy-]

[QUOTE]Despite how passionate I feel about

[-p.tiddy-]

NO! IT DOESN'T!

Road to Perdition, Rain Man, Saving Private Ryan, True Grit, Fargo, District 9, Avatar, 127 Hours, Raging Bull, The Exorcist, In the Head of the Night, West Side Story, There Will Be Blood, Inglorious Bastards, JAWS!!!

All of these films were up for oscars, some have won, NONE of them have deep and complex stories. Wanna know why? Because there can be soooo much more to film than the complexity of the script. You can be 100% engaged in a film because of it's characters, music, style, cinematography, setting, acting, editing. Not everything has to be Lord of the Rings. Do you know what you're talking about? Many filmmakers use the plot as a platform to showcase the other values to the film. Story isn't the most important thing, it's how you carry the narrative forward.

I expected a deep story and Oscar type quality BECAUSE OF THE REVIEWS!!!

IN WHAT ****ING REVIEW DID IT SAY THAT DRIVE WOULD HAVE A DEEP STORY!!!??!! SHOW ME ONE!!! WHOEVER SAID THAT EITHER DIDN'T SEE THE FILM, IS LYING, IS AN IDIOT, OR COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT WITH HIS PROFESSION.

did you even read this thread?

go read it...now...before typing again...read
you're kidding right?

:wtf:

every single one of those filsm has 10x more plot and story than Drive does

[AlexanderRight]

to be an Oscar winner it does!

show me an Oscar candidate without a story please!?

NO! IT DOESN'T!

Road to Perdition, Rain Man, Saving Private Ryan, True Grit, Fargo, District 9, Avatar, 127 Hours, Raging Bull, The Exorcist, In the Head of the Night, West Side Story, There Will Be Blood, Inglorious Bastards, JAWS!!!

All of these films were up for oscars, some have won, NONE of them have deep and complex stories. Wanna know why? Because there can be soooo much more to film than the complexity of the script. You can be 100% engaged in a film because of it's characters, music, style, cinematography, setting, acting, editing. Not everything has to be Lord of the Rings. Do you know what you're talking about? Many filmmakers use the plot as a platform to showcase the other values to the film. Story isn't the most important thing, it's how you carry the narrative forward.


I expected a deep story and Oscar type quality BECAUSE OF THE REVIEWS!!!

IN WHAT ****ING REVIEW DID IT SAY THAT DRIVE WOULD HAVE A DEEP STORY!!!??!! SHOW ME ONE!!! WHOEVER SAID THAT EITHER DIDN'T SEE THE FILM, IS LYING, IS AN IDIOT, OR COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT WITH HIS PROFESSION.

[-p.tiddy-]

[QUOTE][B][SIZE="4"]Overrated -

[rufuspaul]

There have been good films with minimal plots though. Sideways, Lost In Translation, The Station Agent come to mind.

[-p.tiddy-]

IN WHAT ****ING REVIEW DID IT SAY THAT DRIVE WOULD HAVE A DEEP STORY!!!??!! SHOW ME ONE!!! WHOEVER SAID THAT EITHER DIDN'T SEE THE FILM, IS LYING, IS AN IDIOT, OR COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT WITH HIS PROFESSION.
many said it should be an up for Oscar...so naturally I assumed it had an amazing plot and story rather than just a short film with a mute killing steriotypical mobsters

[-p.tiddy-]

There have been good films with minimal plots though. Sideways, Lost In Translation, The Station Agent come to mind.
you don't even know Gosling's name though...

that is fake artsiness to me because it makes people want to say "HE DOESN'T NEED A NAME TO BE A MAIN CHARACTER!!!...THE DIRECTOR IS A GENIUS FOR NOT GIVING HIM A NAME!!!"

no, he isn't a genius for that...you were duped into thinking it is


"THE DIRECTOR IS A GENIUS, THE MAIN CHARACTER DOESN'T NEED TO TALK!!!....WHAT AN AMAZING WORK OF ART!!!...GIVE GOSLING AN OSCAR FOR NOT TALKING!!!"

:facepalm

[AlexanderRight]

many said it should be an up for Oscar...so naturally I assumed it had an amazing plot and story rather than just a short film with a mute killing steriotypical mobsters

That statement alone perfectly displays your lack of knowledge in efficient film making. When a film is critically acclaimed it can be for a number of reasons with the plot being just one of them. Avatar (using the most popular example) has a story and characters that are more bland and boring than an episode of the View. But I understand that that's not really what it's trying to do. Most people who've watched Avatar will say that they were sweeped off their feet because of the mind-boggling special effects and the setting. And that's okay. It's not my cup of tea but I understand why people would like it. You don't see me making threads and bitching about it like a little girl though. Drive is the same type of film. It utilizes it's soundtrack, setting, style, and cinematography to tell it's story rather than a complex script. What don't you understand about that?

And that fact that you even call Albert Brook's character a stereotype really is a testament of how observant you were when you were watching the film. AGAIN, it's alright if you don't like it. But don't bash it for it not being something it's not trying to be.

And now it has become very obvious that you have something against the "niche indy" market. Don't know what it is, but I'm letting you know it's very clear.

[-p.tiddy-]

That statement alone perfectly displays your lack of knowledge in efficient film making. When a film is critically acclaimed it can be for a number of reasons with the plot being just one of them. Avatar (using the most popular example) has a story and characters that are more bland and boring than an episode of the View. But I understand that that's not really what it's trying to do. Most people who've watched Avatar will say that they were sweeped off their feet because of the mind-boggling special effects and the setting. And that's okay. It's not my cup of tea but I understand why people would like it. You don't see me making threads and bitching about it like a little girl though. Drive is the same type of film. It utilizes it's soundtrack, setting, style, and cinematography to tell it's story rather than a complex script. What don't you understand about that?

And that fact that you even call Albert Brook's character a stereotype really is a testament of how observant you were when you were watching the film. AGAIN, it's alright if you don't like it. But don't bash it for it not being something it's not trying to be.

And now it has become very obvious that you have something against the "niche indy" market. Don't know what it is, but I'm letting you know it's very clear.
The characters in Avatar were 100x more developed than anything in Drive you fool

and you come off like a "little girl" every time you say that...this isn't a testosterone contest you little nit-wit...we are talking about a movie...a movie you are very passionate about I see...stop getting all worked up...take off your scorpion jacket, take a deep breath, and relax

[AlexanderRight]

The characters in Avatar were 100x more developed than anything in Drive you fool

http://airstre.am/dopamine72/Nicolas%20Cage%20Laugh.gif


and you come off like a "little girl" every time you say that...this isn't a testosterone contest you little nit-wit...we are talking about a movie...a movie you are very passionate about I see...stop getting all worked up...take off your scorpion jacket, take a deep breath, and relax

No. I do like the movie. I really enjoyed it. And I don't mind that you didn't enjoy it. It's clear that it wasn't your cup of tea, and that's okay. But the fact that you're straight up bashing it and the only argument you have against it is.


"HE DOESN'T NEED A NAME TO BE A MAIN CHARACTER!!!...THE DIRECTOR IS A GENIUS FOR NOT GIVING HIM A NAME!!!""THE DIRECTOR IS A GENIUS, THE MAIN CHARACTER DOESN'T NEED TO TALK!!!....WHAT AN AMAZING WORK OF ART!!!...GIVE GOSLING AN OSCAR FOR NOT TALKING!!!"

just shows that you have no idea what you're talking about and why no one here is taking you seriously. You don't have a problem with Drive. You clearly have a problem with the "indy, niche" market for some reason. I suggest you get over your little war against the hipsters and find something better to do with your time.

[rufuspaul]

you don't even know Gosling's name though...

that is fake artsiness to me because it makes people want to say "HE DOESN'T NEED A NAME TO BE A MAIN CHARACTER!!!...THE DIRECTOR IS A GENIUS FOR NOT GIVING HIM A NAME!!!"

no, he isn't a genius for that...you were duped into thinking it is


"THE DIRECTOR IS A GENIUS, THE MAIN CHARACTER DOESN'T NEED TO TALK!!!....WHAT AN AMAZING WORK OF ART!!!...GIVE GOSLING AN OSCAR FOR NOT TALKING!!!"

:facepalm

In "The Road" neither of the 2 main characters have names nor is there much dialogue. It's fitting for the story in that it fits the apocalyptic theme of the film: the characters are as bleak and barren as the world they inhabit.

[-p.tiddy-]

Alexander...YOU are taking me seriously

it's clear that you have no idea what character development is...or plot and story for that matter...you are clueless

fitting for someone that just decided to jump in the thread without even reading..."you wanted Fast and Furious!!!"

[-p.tiddy-]

In "The Road" neither of the 2 main characters have names nor is there much dialogue. It's fitting for the story in that it fits the apocalyptic theme of the film: the characters are as bleak and barren as the world they inhabit.
75% on RT...not up for Oscars or declared "movie of the year"

that flick didn't have a 1/10th of the hype that Drive has

[AlexanderRight]

Alexander...YOU are taking me seriously

it's clear that you have no idea what character development is...or plot and story for that matter...you are clueless

fitting for someone that just decided to jump in the thread without even reading..."you wanted Fast and Furious!!!"

Just because I'm responding to you doesn't mean I'm taking you seriously. You've said very stupid things and I'm trying to tell you how ignorant they are. But it's clear you aren't going to admit that. And yeah, you didn't want Fast and Furious I was wrong. You want No Country for old men. But I'm just trying to tell you that Drive (clearly) is neither and that a film doesn't have to be either to be considered good. There are a hundred of examples of terrific movies that didn't have complex plots. But your problem is clearly with the "hipster artzy" feel of the film, which for some reason intimidates you. I suggest you get over it. Plus, you've said that Avatar had good characters and development......................:facepalm

[-p.tiddy-]

Just because I'm responding to you doesn't mean I'm taking you seriously. You've said very stupid things and I'm trying to tell you how ignorant they are. But it's clear you aren't going to admit that. And yeah, you didn't want Fast and Furious I was wrong. You want No Country for old men. But I'm just trying to tell you that Drive (clearly) is neither and that a film doesn't have to be either to be considered good. There are a hundred of examples of terrific movies that didn't have complex plots. But your problem is clearly with the "hipster artzy" feel of the film, which for some reason intimidates you. I suggest you get over it. Plus, you've said that Avatar had good characters and development......................:facepalm
I've said nothing stupid in this thread...you have though by listing movies with extremely deep stories such as Road to Perdition and declaring them to have none.

:wtf:

and by laughing at the idea of Avatar having more character development than Drive...it isn't even CLOSE

you have no earthly idea what you are talking about...

[-p.tiddy-]

Avatar has a very deep story too...most people were just upset at the story already being done in Last Samuri

[rufuspaul]

75% on RT...not up for Oscars or declared "movie of the year"


It got quite a lot of accolades though and the book won the Pulitzer Prize.

[rufuspaul]

Avatar has a very deep story too...most people were just upset at the story already being done in Last Samuri

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


I'm sorry. That really made me laugh.

[-p.tiddy-]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


I'm sorry. That really made me laugh.
why? it's 100% true

It wasn't the deepness of Avatar's story that people had an issue with...it was the fact that it had already been done in flicks like The Last Samurai and Dances with wolves...the comparisons were all over the place

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&pwst=1&sa=X&ei=6R08T6neIOLy2QWFiJTzBg&ved=0CBkQvwUoAQ&q=avatar+dances+with+wolves+last+samurai&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=5542408addfb2bfa&biw=1649&bih=856

[blablabla]

I liked Drive, i think i've watched it three or four times since the release, but isn't a masterpiece as many like to call it. Because lets be real here it's just a cool movie, the pictures mixed with the music and the cool Main Character, its a movie i watch on a boring Wednesday night after a long day of school or work. It is a easy flick it doesn't fvck your mind with complex plot twists and weird Characters. In many ways it's like Hangover for the cool kids.
I'm not hating on Drive but there wasn't an amazing Story or original Characters, an amazing movie an oscar winner needs to have everything not just cool music and styling.
I think that one reason i like that more than other people is that there was no hype for me, the movie was released a week ago in Austrian Cinemas, the main reason i watched it was because Meticode posted a link where you could download it and that the name of the movie was drive and i like cars.
Also what's up with the comparisons to Tarantino, violence and cool styling are only minor tarantino trademarks.

[rufuspaul]

why? it's 100% true

It wasn't the deepness of Avatar's story that people had an issue with...it was the fact that it had already been done in flicks like The Last Samurai and Dances with wolves...the comparisons were all over the place

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&pwst=1&sa=X&ei=6R08T6neIOLy2QWFiJTzBg&ved=0CBkQvwUoAQ&q=avatar+dances+with+wolves+last+samurai&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=5542408addfb2bfa&biw=1649&bih=856

It's purely a matter of personal opinion, but I absolutely hated Avatar. In fact the only thing I hated more than the film itself was all the hype surrounding it.

[Randy]

I want to know the criteria for a movie with that has "deepness", compared to one that doesn't, and a few that are almost deep, but not quite.

[-p.tiddy-]

It's purely a matter of personal opinion, but I absolutely hated Avatar. In fact the only thing I hated more than the film itself was all the hype surrounding it.
okay but you DO understand the story and character dev in Avatar are 10x more deep than Drive right?

can't believe the story in Drive is being compared to freakin Avatar now...:facepalm

they aren't even in the same universe


Drive is a neat little style action flick...Avatar has a novel's worth of dialoge with enormous amounts of character dev...the freakin dork friend in Avatar had more character dev than Gosling...who you know NOTHING about...not even his name...all you know is he is quiet and can kick ass man!!!...Gosling has about as much character dev as Jason Vorhese lol

[rufuspaul]

I want to know the criteria for a movie with that has "deepness", compared to one that doesn't, and a few that are almost deep, but not quite.

Good question. You'd have to have some sort of scale.

The Bicycle Thief----Deep






























From Justin To Kelly----Not Deep

[-p.tiddy-]

I want to know the criteria for a movie with that has "deepness", compared to one that doesn't, and a few that are almost deep, but not quite.
No Country is "deep" IMO...very complex characers...complex story...even hidden stories and meanings...it is very deep

Drive is anything but deep...style flick with violent killing...there is no story really

[Myth]

^ Did Drive rape your mother or something? I've never seen somebody so angry about a movie because it "doesn't deserve an Oscar" even though it wasn't even nominated. Sounds like a couple people made it sound like it was worthy of an Oscar without knowing what types of movies usually win, and that sent you off. If Drive really was the most overrated movie of all time, it actually would have been nominated. Also, you are the only one I see saying it is supposed to be "deep." While you keep expecting something more from the movie, everybody else just seems to enjoy it for what it is: A stylized movie with contrasting silence and over the top violence.

[rufuspaul]

Drive is a neat little style action flick...Avatar has a novel's worth of dialoge with enormous amounts of character dev...the freakin dork friend in Avatar had more character dev than Gosling...who you know NOTHING about...not even his name...all you know is he is quiet and can kick ass man!!!...Gosling has about as much character dev as Jason Vorhese lol



:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh please stop. :roll: :roll: :roll:

I'm dying here!

[-p.tiddy-]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh please stop.

I'm dying here!
you're an idiot...seriously...do you even know what character dev is?

just because you didn't like Avartar doesn't mean the characters weren't developed...

you knew EXACLTY what they were like...

http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2009/12/20091221_weaveravatar_560x375.jpg


^^^ she was developed well, right from the start

http://www.tdbimg.com/files/2009/12/13/img-article-embed---masters-avatar-saldana-cameron_221031504583.jpg

^^^ Zoe did an AMAZING job with this...I don't think even Avatar haters despute that

http://s.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2009/12/20/20/enhanced-buzz-17264-1261358269-2.jpg


^^^ both developed very nice and explained...we know their personalies very well

[-p.tiddy-]

the amount of dialoge and character dev that went into Avatar is 100x that of Drive

I seriously can't even believe Rufus is debating this with me



part of what made Gosling so cool and mysterious is that he wasn't developed at all...just a quiet guy that can kill

[AlexanderRight]

You must be smokin some real shit if you seriously think Avatar's characters and story were interesting and well developed. But the thing is, I don't hold that against the movie much because I know that the story of Avatar wasn't its focal point. They more wanted to invest you in the film with it's special effects and setting as Drive did with it's music, style, and cinematography. And in those regards they both succeed. Now, Avatar was advertised, overpraised, acclamied, and awarded 6 billion times more than Drive but I still give it's little shortcomings a pass and valued it for what it is and what it's trying to do. Why cant't you do the same for Drive?

[-p.tiddy-]

You must be smokin some real shit if you seriously think Avatar's characters and story were interesting and well developed. But the thing is, I don't hold that against the movie much because I know that the story of Avatar wasn't its focal point. They more wanted to invest you in the film with it's special effects and setting as Drive did with it's music, style, and cinematography. And in those regards they both succeed. Now, Avatar was advertised, overpraised, acclamied, and awarded 6 billion times more than Drive but I still give it's little shortcomings a pass and valued it for what it is and what it's trying to do. Why cant't you do the same for Drive?
but the story WAS supposed to be the focal point...:facepalm

there were connections to world hunger and deforestion there...THE WAR ON IRAQ...connecting OIL to the crystals that they wanted in the forest, not caring about who dies...it was 100x "deeper" than Drive

YOU just wanted it to be about CG



Drive had NOTHING but "style"...no story worth a shit, no character dev...NOTHING

the girl had like 5 lines...Gosling as well...the mobsters talked a little, but were just regular sterotypical mob bosses

Avatar deserved awards...Drive does not

[rufuspaul]

you're an idiot...seriously...do you even know what character dev is?

just because you didn't like Avartar doesn't mean the characters weren't developed...



:lol

The fact that you hold Avatar up as an example of great character development is quite comical, though not entirely surprising. I don't have time right now but just for you I will make a thread on why Avatar sucked.

[-p.tiddy-]

avatar had a lot of hidden messages..


racial sub plot

deforestation, humans killing earth

war

stealing resources from others not caring for life

Cameron wa basically calling out the US in that movie

[-p.tiddy-]

:lol

The fact that you hold Avatar up as an example of great character development is quite comical, though not entirely surprising. I don't have time right now but just for you I will make a thread on why Avatar sucked.
rufus there was a ton of character dev in Avatar...I'm not sure how anyone can debate that...even Avatar haters

not liking the characters or movie doesn't mean there was no char dev

[AlexanderRight]

but the story WAS supposed to be the focal point...:facepalm

there were connections to world hunger and deforestion there...THE WAR ON IRAQ...connecting OIL to the crystals that they wanted in the forest, not caring about who dies...it was 100x "deeper" than Drive

YOU just wanted it to be about CG



Drive had NOTHING but "style"...no story worth a shit, no character dev...NOTHING

the girl had like 5 lines...Gosling as well...the mobsters talked a little, but were just regular sterotypical mob bosses

Avatar deserved awards...Drive does notJournalists and reviewers have called Drive a "classic Los Angeles heist-gone-wrong story" that is a "tribute to the genre of car films" in the vein of movies like Bullitt (1968). A character study, themes Drive examines consist of "loyalty, loneliness and the dark impulses that rise up even when we try our hardest to suppress them."It combines comic gore, film noir and B-movie aesthetics, and Hollywood spectacle, resulting in "a bizarre concoction...reminiscent of David Lynch's Mulholland Drive...Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction, and [with] angst-laden love scenes that would not be out of place in a Scandinavian drama". Copied that by the way. And since you were so quick to discard The Road as Oscar worthy because it had a 75 percent on rotten tomatoes we can settle this quickly. Avatar-83 percent Drive-93 percent. /thread

[-p.tiddy-]

Journalists and reviewers have called Drive a "classic Los Angeles heist-gone-wrong story" that is a "tribute to the genre of car films" in the vein of movies like Bullitt (1968). A character study, themes Drive examines consist of "loyalty, loneliness and the dark impulses that rise up even when we try our hardest to suppress them."It combines comic gore, film noir and B-movie aesthetics, and Hollywood spectacle, resulting in "a bizarre concoction...reminiscent of David Lynch's Mulholland Drive...Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction, and [with] angst-laden love scenes that would not be out of place in a Scandinavian drama". Copied that by the way. And since you were so quick to discard The Road as Oscar worthy because it had a 75 percent on rotten tomatoes we can settle this quickly. Avatar-83 percent Drive-93 percent. /thread
yeah, reviewers hyping this thing like an Oscar winner was my problem with the movie...as I am sure you read in here

[ZeN]

yeah, reviewers hyping this thing like an Oscar winner was my problem with the movie...as I am sure you read in here

Due to being ignorant, you made stupid uninformed assumptions about a movie and somehow now feel that you can bitch about it.

You didnt take the time to inform yourself about what type of film it was. So its your own damn fault. A quick 5 minute google search would have given you the info needed, about what type of film it was gonna be. Both regular joe reviews and professional ones spoke about how Drive was lacking in dialog and excessive in violence. Also, that it was slow paced and held a plot that was not original. 5 minutes would have given you the info to know what to expect.

You seem to be ignorant when it comes to films, what to expect from them, and how to evaluate them. OP is proof that you have no idea what your talking about. A film's merit is based on the collective favorable qualities that it holds. If you dont understand controlled directing, visual artistry, story telling that is not dialog centric, and the notion of quiet intensity in a film.. Then you need to STFU.

Artsy and Stylized.. wtf.. Do you have any idea how difficult it is for film makers to have a consistent progressive style that is fluid thought out a film? If you really understood films, you wouldn't be spewing out this asinine bullshit.

You are ranting and raving about a medium that clearly you have no clue how to evaluate.



...

[-p.tiddy-]

ignortant?

I ordered it on demand for $5...looking at its 93% on RT is all the effort I'm doing with that...besides, I like going into a movie knowing little about it.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/drive_2011/

read Zen, what would you think after looking at that?




and why do some of you get so damn offended?...good lord...it's a movie review

[-p.tiddy-]

You are ranting and raving about a medium that clearly you have no clue how to evaluate.

1. I posted NUMEROUS reviews of this flick that are just like my own

2. I'm not in here going off, I am replying to posts directed at me like your own here

[-p.tiddy-]

A film's merit is based on the collective favorable qualities that it holds. If you dont understand controlled directing, visual artistry, story telling that is not dialog centric, and the notion of quiet intensity in a film.. Then you need to STFU.

Artsy and Stylized.. wtf.. Do you have any idea how difficult it is for film makers to have a consistent progressive style that is fluid thought out a film? If you really understood films, you wouldn't be spewing out this asinine bullshit.

I am an accomplished artist Zen...a character artist at that...please don't tell me I know nothing about art or style...even in film

just because you never leave your fckin coach and watch 100 movies a day doesn't mean you are a fcking accomplished director

[ZeN]

ignortant?

I ordered it on demand for $5...looking at its 93% on RT is all the effort I'm doing with that...besides, I like going into a movie knowing little about it.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/drive_2011/

read Zen, what would you think after looking at that?




and why do some of you get so damn offended?...good lord...it's a movie review
If you look at those ratings blindly, simply looking at the percentage then you get what you deserve. 93% is simply saying that most critics gave it a favorable rating. That in no way tells the whole story. Which doesnt even matter in your case, since you dont know how to appreciate a good film. All the praise given in the 93% are accurate.. You simply dont know how to appreciate all the good things they saw.

Drive is a great film.

You act as if every great film has to have elaborate dialog, obvious characterization, or pacing that suits your attention span... But they dont have to be tailored to your preference to be great... And since Drive doesnt have any of the qualities that intrigue you, you pass it off as an overrated film. Which is just stupid.

[ZeN]

I am an accomplished artist Zen...a character artist at that...please don't tell me I know nothing about art or style...even in film

just because you never leave your fckin coach and watch 100 movies a day doesn't mean you are a fcking accomplished director
Your such an idiot. :oldlol:

[-p.tiddy-]

If you look at those ratings blindly, simply looking at the percentage then you get what you deserve. 93% is simply saying that most critics gave it a favorable rating. That in no way tells the whole story. Which doesnt even matter in your case, since you dont know how to appreciate a good film. All the praising given in the 93% are accurate.. You simply dont know how to appreciate all the good things they saw.

Drive is a great film.

You act as if every great film has to have elaborate dialog, obvious characterization, or pacing that suits your attention span... But they dont have to be tailored to your preference to be great... And since Drive doesnt have any of the qualities that intrigue you, you pass it off as an overrated film. Which is just stupid.
I think that Oscar type hype given to a film would imply a geat story yes...

I was expecting a good story...the fact that I didn't do a shit ton of reading up BEFORE I watched the movie isn't ignorance

The fact that I don't appreciate this film as much as you do doesn't mean I have no idea how to judge film...it's called an OPINION


And since Drive doesnt have any of the qualities that intrigue you, you pass it off as an overrated film

NO, since it was hailed as the best movie of the year and shold be Oscar winner I passed it off as overrated...it isn't close

[-p.tiddy-]

Your such an idiot. :oldlol:
:roll:

[ZeN]

1. I posted NUMEROUS reviews of this flick that are just like my own

2. I'm not in here going off, I am replying to posts directed at me like your own here
1. Yes Im aware that some critics are as vapid in their evaluation and have disregarded the great qualities in Drive, as you have.

2. most overrated movie of all time...EVER... seems to me that your expressions are overly critical and heavily disdainful.

[ZeN]

:roll:
How comical, that my phone's auto correct has made a mockery of me.

[-p.tiddy-]

1. Yes Im aware that some critics are as vapid in their evaluation and have disregarded the great qualities in Drive, as you have.

2. most overrated movie of all time...EVER... seems to me that your expressions are overly critical and heavily disdainful.
okay obviously the thread title is purposely exagerated

it isn't the most overrated flick of all time

[ukplayer4]

dude look, i will try, as EVERYONE is telling you, to explain briefly what people see in drive.

firstly, the problem you have with it is exactly that- your problem that stems from a somewhat close minded idea about what constitutes as a good film. you have said over and over that the hype about drive led you to believe that it had complex characters and a deep meaningful story. this is your problem and your bias. once again, as everyone has pointed out- it is only big studio, oscar bait guff(and tv) that values story and character above everything else(yes im telling you these things are not neccesarily important in films- which is what makes drive arthouse). film is a visual medium. drive is a film that uses the medium of film language properly instead of substituting excessive dialogue, i.e exposition(what most hollywood types do) because they lack the skill to show without telling. the artistry in drive is in that it is a triumph of form over content, that is not the same thing as style over substance(but people often confuse the two). it has exceptional use of film langauge by a director that clearly has a near mastery of form, it is beautifully lit and shot and has an excellent soundtrack. it is also pretty devoid of story/characterisation and depth and that doesnt mean its any less of an achievement.

[Myth]

your problem that stems from a somewhat close minded idea about what constitutes as a good film. you have said over and over that the hype about drive led you to believe that it had complex characters and a deep meaningful story. this is your problem and your bias. .


I believe this nicely sums up the thread.

Summarized in another way:

People: This was a good film.
p.tiddy: Wow, therefore it must be deep and meaningful.
People: That is not what we meant.
p.tiddy: You all lied to me. It is not deep and meaningful, therefore it is not a good film. It is overrated.

[IlliniFan]

I said the same shit.
:roll: You're not helping Primetime here.

[-p.tiddy-]

I believe this nicely sums up the thread.

Summarized in another way:

People: This was a good film.
p.tiddy: Wow, therefore it must be deep and meaningful.
People: That is not what we meant.
p.tiddy: You all lied to me. It is not deep and meaningful, therefore it is not a good film. It is overrated.
Yes...and that is true imo

I don't disagree with this.


It isn't deep and meaningful, it is simple minded and dull...and yes I feel like I was lied to.

AND YES SIMPLE MINDED MOVIES CAN BE GOOD, just not Oscar good.

I love plenty if simple fun films like Drive...but they weren't hyped as movie if the year.

[-p.tiddy-]

It is more like:

People: This is the greatest movie of the year, should win best picture
Me: This must be deep and meaningful
People: it is, the characters don't even talk, now THAT is art
Me: :/ this flick is so overrated, and you were all tricked into thinking its lack of story is artwork. It's just a simple flick with violent killings, not a masterpiece.

[RidonKs]

that is fake artsiness to me because it makes people want to say "HE DOESN'T NEED A NAME TO BE A MAIN CHARACTER!!!...THE DIRECTOR IS A GENIUS FOR NOT GIVING HIM A NAME!!!"
just a quick call out to add insult to primey's compounding injuries in this thread

the director didn't write the script

sure it didn't need to be mentioned. sure you'll say i'm missing the forest for the trees. irrelevant detail right? eh. with the whole gang dogpiling on you, i just felt a little left out and this presented a perfect opportunity to hop on. it was worth it.

[-p.tiddy-]

just a quick call out to add insult to primey's compounding injuries in this thread

the director didn't write the script

sure it didn't need to be mentioned. sure you'll say i'm missing the forest for the trees. irrelevant detail right? eh. with the whole gang dogpiling on you, i just felt a little left out and this presented a perfect opportunity to hop on. it was worth it.
I dont feel dog piled at all...Zen and some kid named Alexander got really upset with my opinion...those two are the ones posting.

They obviously were in the "drive is the film of the year" crowd

[-p.tiddy-]

Oh and Rufus hates Avatar...lol

[ZeN]

I dont feel dog piled at all...Zen and some kid named Alexander got really upset with my opinion...those two are the ones posting.

They obviously were in the "drive is the film of the year" crowd

Dont count me in that crowd. Its top five for me but doesn't take the top spot.

[RidonKs]

Oh and Rufus hates Avatar...lol
i think he mostly found it funny that, in this thread at least, that was your go-to film to demonstrate character development. though you're right, there were certainly life lessons and shit laced through that movie so it isn't a terrible example by any means.

good you don't feel dogpiled on... though you should. of a few dozen people who have posted in this thread, maybe a handful have agreed with you. like under 5% easily. you're just flat out wrong. it isn't that the 'wool' has been pulled over our eyes or that we're marching along with the crowd to be cool and hip; it's that you've got a narrowly constructed opinion based on specific criteria you've happily assumed everybody else shares when they don't. nor should they, it's absurd criteria. as a game developer, you should be more attune to the importance of visuals in every medium, but particularly film. i don't see why you're so hung up on the story.

i'd agree that it'd be one of those oscar travesties if Drive actually won best picture... though i certainly wouldn't dispute a nomination or even a victory for it in best direction. it was supremely constructed.


let me ask you something; what rating would you give to Drive out of 10? i'd give it an easy 8, maybe 8.5 if i'm feeling generous. based on the intensity of opinion you've demonstrated in this thread, i'd say you couldn't possibly believe it to be any higher than a 6. am i wrong?

[Myth]

It is more like:

People: This is the greatest movie of the year, should win best picture
Me: This must be deep and meaningful
People: it is, the characters don't even talk, now THAT is art
Me: :/ this flick is so overrated, and you were all tricked into thinking its lack of story is artwork. It's just a simple flick with violent killings, not a masterpiece.

This seems inconsistent to me. Almost nobody I have heard of have said that. Rather, most enjoyed it because of the stylized violence and admit that is why they liked it.

[-p.tiddy-]

i think he mostly found it funny that, in this thread at least, that was your go-to film to demonstrate character development. though you're right, there were certainly life lessons and shit laced through that movie so it isn't a terrible example by any means.

good you don't feel dogpiled on... though you should. of a few dozen people who have posted in this thread, maybe a handful have agreed with you. like under 5% easily. you're just flat out wrong. it isn't that the 'wool' has been pulled over our eyes or that we're marching along with the crowd to be cool and hip; it's that you've got a narrowly constructed opinion based on specific criteria you've happily assumed everybody else shares when they don't. nor should they, it's absurd criteria. as a game developer, you should be more attune to the importance of visuals in every medium, but particularly film. i don't see why you're so hung up on the story.

i'd agree that it'd be one of those oscar travesties if Drive actually won best picture... though i certainly wouldn't dispute a nomination or even a victory for it in best direction. it was supremely constructed.


let me ask you something; what rating would you give to Drive out of 10? i'd give it an easy 8, maybe 8.5 if i'm feeling generous. based on the intensity of opinion you've demonstrated in this thread, i'd say you couldn't possibly believe it to be any higher than a 6. am i wrong?
Avatar wasn't my "go-to film" for an example of character development

Alexander brought up Avatar as an example of an overrated movie with no story or char dev. I then let him know that most weren't upset by the lack of story, but the fact that the story has alrady been done in Last Samurai and and Dances with wolves, and that it is very long film with a ton of char dev.

so that is how that started...


Drive is not an "8" for me at all...it is a fun little flick and I would have enjoyed much more not having huge expectations. I would give it a "6" if "5" is an average film. It is above average I suppose, but for me a movie has have some depth to it and more than just "syle" in order to be masterpiece.

[RidonKs]

aah, my mistake.

maybe it'd be a good idea to watch again, with your expectations lowered and the comments in this thread taken in mind, and see if on the oft-chance you maybe possibly didn't get it quite right the first go around due to the biases of your preconceived notions going in? just a suggestion. it's a short little movie with plenty of action to go around so it's not much of an investment. like, the amount of time you've spent in this thread would probably accumulate to at least 2 or 3 rewatches. and if you still have the same opinion in the aftermath, you'll at least have more specific comments to make than "it wasnt deep enough" which i continue to maintain, is a really dumb comment to make about a movie not intended to go in depth on any topic whatsoever.

or not, ain't no thang to me

[johndeeregreen]

It certainly was overrated, but the movie you're referring to in the title is clearly The Dark Knight.

[RidonKs]

It certainly was overrated, but the movie you're referring to in the title is clearly The Dark Knight.
i've fallen further and further into your camp on this issue... in spite of being among the film's most obsessive and intense advocates when it was initially released. the paper thin philosophy complete with catch phrase quotes, the device driven plot, the moral qualms seemingly marched straight into my the film's protagonists... they all kind of build into strong evidence of lackluster. i still love it, but upon rewatch and reflection... its unwarranted hype machine is pretty much unmatched in contemp cinema.

with that all said... i still love it and can't wait for this summer's incarnation, which i'm sure will relaunch a three year cycle that only just finished with this honest 180 of a post.

[-p.tiddy-]

This seems inconsistent to me. Almost nobody I have heard of have said that. Rather, most enjoyed it because of the stylized violence and admit that is why they liked it.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41B2u0rBMqL._SX500_.jpg

[johndeeregreen]

Heath Ledger died. That about sums up why people think TDK is an all-time classic or something.

[-p.tiddy-]

aah, my mistake.

maybe it'd be a good idea to watch again, with your expectations lowered and the comments in this thread taken in mind, and see if on the oft-chance you maybe possibly didn't get it quite right the first go around due to the biases of your preconceived notions going in? just a suggestion. it's a short little movie with plenty of action to go around so it's not much of an investment. like, the amount of time you've spent in this thread would probably accumulate to at least 2 or 3 rewatches. and if you still have the same opinion in the aftermath, you'll at least have more specific comments to make than "it wasnt deep enough" which i continue to maintain, is a really dumb comment to make about a movie not intended to go in depth on any topic whatsoever.

or not, ain't no thang to me
if it comes on HBO or something in the future I will watch it again but it isn't that important to me to watch it again because of this thread...I just post in here a lot on this because I work on a computer, not because I am obsessed.

and cause it keeps getting bumped...my opinions are serious business :pimp:

[RidonKs]

Heath Ledger died. That about sums up why people think TDK is an all-time classic or something.
f*ck you. literally if there's one thing that i still don't think was overrated about that film; it was his performance. he will remain and rightfully so be remembered as among the greatest villains cinema has ever witnessed. his screen presence is unbelievable.

[Randy]

f*ck you. literally if there's one thing that i still don't think was overrated about that film; it was his performance. he will remain and rightfully so be remembered as among the greatest villains cinema has ever witnessed. his screen presence is unbelievable.

Ledger was amazing, Christain Bale is the guy is constantly being overrated.

[Meticode]

Heath Ledger died. That about sums up why people think TDK is an all-time classic or something.
Batman Begins and the Dark Knight were great to me the way it was protrayed. Personally I feel I would've liked the Dark Knight all the same with or without Ledger's death. He simply portrayed the Joker the way I would imagine.

[Meticode]

Ledger was amazing, Christain Bale is the guy is constantly being overrated.
I definitely agree with this. Personally to me the underrated actor in both films is Gary Oldman. He portrays Gordon perfectly.

[ZeN]

Pulp Fiction. That movie can eat so many *****.
fukk you man... fukk you very much :oldlol:

[-p.tiddy-]

if I really had to pick a movie as literally the most overrated "EVER" I think I would pick The Godfather. It is the most common movie to find at numero UNO...THE GOAT...GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE

it is a good movie, with good characters, and a good story...a true classic...but GOAT???...naw

or perhaps Titanic...which is nothing more than a simple love story.

one of those two

[Lamar Doom]

hmmm... guy raves about Underworld 4 but trashes Drive. PT, your opinion on films no longer matters to me.

[Out_In_Utah]

hmmm... guy raves about Underworld 4 but trashes Drive. PT, your opinion on films no longer matters to me.

:roll:

[Meticode]

You keep me under your spell, you keep me under your spell.

[Meticode]

if I really had to pick a movie as literally the most overrated "EVER" I think I would pick The Godfather. It is the most common movie to find at numero UNO...THE GOAT...GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE

it is a good movie, with good characters, and a good story...a true classic...but GOAT???...naw

or perhaps Titanic...which is nothing more than a simple love story.

one of those two
What's a GOAT to you? Examples!?

[rufuspaul]

or perhaps Titanic...which is nothing more than a simple love story.



I actually agree with you here. Titanic (another Cameron film) suffers from the same illness as Avatar: State of the Art visual effects masking implausible yet predictable plots, corny cliched dialogue, and terrible acting.

[-p.tiddy-]

hmmm... guy raves about Underworld 4 but trashes Drive. PT, your opinion on films no longer matters to me.
In that OP it was made clear that it is no masterpiece, has no story, and my expectations were VERY VERY low.

Underworld is 3D action fun...

[-p.tiddy-]

What's a GOAT to you? Examples!?
I don't know what I would rank as number 1.

When I typed that GF wasn't I was wondering what my own personal goat is...I'm not sure.

I don't think I have a GOAT, but I know many movies have given me more than Godfather ever did.

[RidonKs]

I don't know what I would rank as number 1.

When I typed that GF wasn't I was wondering what my own personal goat is...I'm not sure.

I don't think I have a GOAT, but I know many movies have given me more than Godfather ever did.
shouldn't it be taken into account that The Godfather was pretty much, unless i'm mistaken in which case let me know, the very first mobster movie, like, ever? i felt somewhat similarly to how you did after watching it... i only saw it and its sequel for the first time last year. but i bore in mind that some of the intense family drama and close bonds formed in the family would have made much more of an impact if i hadn't been familiar with more modern films that The Godfather pretty much gave birth to; goodfellas, scarface, once upon a time, untouchables, etc. it should be credited not just for its own merit but also for the genre it helped create or at least revolutionized.

and i've still only seen it once. i've heard thorpe, among ish's most devoted film afficianados, as well as a few others, consistently talk about its rewatchability, the fact that you can tune into any given scene and, once you're familiar with the plot, get dragged right back in, noticing key subtleties you probably missed the first go around.

my two cents

[-p.tiddy-]

shouldn't it be taken into account that The Godfather was pretty much, unless i'm mistaken in which case let me know, the very first mobster movie, like, ever? i felt somewhat similarly to how you did after watching it... i only saw it and its sequel for the first time last year. but i bore in mind that some of the intense family drama and close bonds formed in the family would have made much more of an impact if i hadn't been familiar with more modern films that The Godfather pretty much gave birth to; goodfellas, scarface, once upon a time, untouchables, etc. it should be credited not just for its own merit but also for the genre it helped create or at least revolutionized.

and i've still only seen it once. i've heard thorpe, among ish's most devoted film afficianados, as well as a few others, consistently talk about its rewatchability, the fact that you can tune into any given scene and, once you're familiar with the plot, get dragged right back in, noticing key subtleties you probably missed the first go around.

my two cents
yes it should def be taken into account...GF was much better back then than it is right now for sure...it is a "classic"

I saw it late too like you, about 5 years ago I marathoned all 3 GF flicks...and I was underwhelmed but tried to take the time in which it came out into consideration like you did.

I do believe that art mediums progress over time...except somehow the music industry is doing it's best to prove me wrong on that...lol

[Gundress]

Drive is a good ass movie mfer.

Not surprised coming from Playmaker aka Primetime aka P.Diddy whatever his f*cking name is and not to mention that Dooms too....they always shitty on 50's movies. They said 80's-00's flicks>>>>>>>30's - 70's flicks.

They don't even like "White and Black" films mfer.

Don't take them serious mfer when come to movie.

Dooms said Young Guns and Young Guns 2>>>>>>>Unforgiven movie and mfer Primetime agreed with him :facepalm :facepalm .....I've never forgot that shit mfer.

[RaininTwos]

Drive is a good ass movie mfer.

Not surprised coming from Playmaker aka Primetime aka P.Diddy whatever his f*cking name is and not to mention that Dooms too....they always shitty on 50's movies. They said 80's-00's flicks>>>>>>>30's - 70's flicks.

They don't even like "White and Black" films mfer.

Don't take them serious mfer when come to movie.

Dooms said Young Guns and Young Guns 2>>>>>>>Unforgiven movie and mfer Primetime agreed with him :facepalm :facepalm .....I've never forgot that shit mfer.

Pete must have lost his mind if he saw that thread. I agree with them though. Unforgiven is super overrated.

[ZeN]

Drive is a good ass movie mfer.

Not surprised coming from Playmaker aka Primetime aka P.Diddy whatever his f*cking name is and not to mention that Dooms too....they always shitty on 50's movies. They said 80's-00's flicks>>>>>>>30's - 70's flicks.

They don't even like "White and Black" films mfer.

Don't take them serious mfer when come to movie.

Dooms said Young Guns and Young Guns 2>>>>>>>Unforgiven movie and mfer Primetime agreed with him :facepalm :facepalm .....I've never forgot that shit mfer.
this shit almost made my brain burst a blood vessel..


dah fukk, mfer....

[-p.tiddy-]

Drive is a good ass movie mfer.

Not surprised coming from Playmaker aka Primetime aka P.Diddy whatever his f*cking name is and not to mention that Dooms too....they always shitty on 50's movies. They said 80's-00's flicks>>>>>>>30's - 70's flicks.

They don't even like "White and Black" films mfer.

Don't take them serious mfer when come to movie.

Dooms said Young Guns and Young Guns 2>>>>>>>Unforgiven movie and mfer Primetime agreed with him :facepalm :facepalm .....I've never forgot that shit mfer.
thought you was my dawg mfer...guess not

on now mfer

[johndeeregreen]

Pete must have lost his mind if he saw that thread. I agree with them though. Unforgiven is super overrated.
Even if Unforgiven was underrated, even massively so, it would still be regarded as better than Young Guns 1 or 2. Give me a f*cking break.

[-p.tiddy-]

The Young Guns movies were fun...

I've never seen Unforgiven



it's like comparing Drive to Underworld 3D

oh wait, both Drive and Underworld 3D were really short action flicks with no story and all style...maybe they should be compared :oldlol:

[heyhey]

shouldn't it be taken into account that The Godfather was pretty much, unless i'm mistaken in which case let me know, the very first mobster movie, like, ever? i felt somewhat similarly to how you did after watching it... i only saw it and its sequel for the first time last year. but i bore in mind that some of the intense family drama and close bonds formed in the family would have made much more of an impact if i hadn't been familiar with more modern films that The Godfather pretty much gave birth to; goodfellas, scarface, once upon a time, untouchables, etc. it should be credited not just for its own merit but also for the genre it helped create or at least revolutionized.

and i've still only seen it once. i've heard thorpe, among ish's most devoted film afficianados, as well as a few others, consistently talk about its rewatchability, the fact that you can tune into any given scene and, once you're familiar with the plot, get dragged right back in, noticing key subtleties you probably missed the first go around.

my two cents

Wow I'm surprised by your take on godfather. I hate ranking films and almost never do it but godfather is a movie I have to watch every time it's on.

Of the more modern gangster films u mentioned only goodfellas and once upon a time in America are close to godfather imo. The cast was just so perfect. I confess that when I first saw the movie when I was like 12 I didn't like it because it lacked action. But as I grew older and understood more about life and relationships godfathers definitely one of the movies that speak to the complexities of it. The material is also very much elevated by the amazingly nostalgia imbued soundtrack.

I'm out of own and I'm typing on myiphone so it's annoying to type but I like to hear y u thought it was lacking

[ZeN]

oh wait, both Drive and Underworld 3D were really short action flicks with no story and all style...maybe they should be compared

:facepalm

[-p.tiddy-]

^^^ only Goodfellas?

it's kind of interesting how we view that a movie has to be "serious" in order to be "good"


I enjoyed Major League more than I enjoyed Bull Durham...but no one ranks Major League as the best baseball movie ever made...

enjoyment should be the biggest factor...but we just don't allow ourselves to rank that way

[-p.tiddy-]

:facepalm
lol, I love how you removed the emoticon

[-p.tiddy-]

Now that I think about it, Drive is very overrated...you're right

glad to see you came around...

[ZeN]

lol, I love how you removed the emoticon
How does me removing the emoticon change what you expressed?

[heyhey]

^^^ only Goodfellas?

it's kind of interesting how we view that a movie has to be "serious" in order to be "good"


I enjoyed Major League more than I enjoyed Bull Durham...but no one ranks Major League as the best baseball movie ever made...

enjoyment should be the biggest factor...but we just don't allow ourselves to rank that way

My reason for appreciating godfather is not because it's serious. I like many whimsical movies that don't take themselves seriously. I enjoy godfather because the physical details and emotional depth that Coppola used to create a truly immersive world that actually establishes the weight and mood of the circumstances.

In fact it's on amc this month and I'm actually planning on catching it and the sequel again.

[-p.tiddy-]

How does me removing the emoticon change what you expressed?
it shows that I was being playful rather than serious...obvioulsy

:rolleyes:

the whole point of emoticons is to express how you are "talking" in here

[RidonKs]

i don't really think Once Upon a Time comes close to Godfather... Leone was overall a pretty sloppy director, just with a knack for drawing the audience in. mission accomplished with every movie he ever made, but Coppola manages the same thing and pays strenuous attention to detail.

i think you misunderstood my post or i didn't make myself very clear heyhey; re-reading it, a bit of both it would seem. i loved the Godfather, that post might have just exaggerated one particular feeling of being underwhelmed as a way to relate to primey... but the underwhelmed factor had everything to do with expectations and nothing to do with the film itself. when a movie is at the top of every single goat film list you've ever seen, you expect to be absolutely blown away... and when it turns into 'merely' an immaculate rendition of films you've sorta already seen (that came afterwards chronologically but prior in order of my viewing)... well, you get where i'm going.

and again, thorpe's drilled into my head (and no you're reaffirming) that the crazy attention to detail in the Godfather's dialogue and mood setting like you described means that every rewatch is a new experience where you notice something different which makes sense in the grand scheme and consequently makes the grand scheme all the more sensible. i have no plans to rewatch either it or its sequel in the near future but i also have no doubt i'll come across it, and on second viewing, already familiar with the story, probably be much more impressed as a result.

[-p.tiddy-]

Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, Top Gun, Thelma and Louise, Terminator 2, Tarzan, Toy Story 3, etc.
I meant best picture...

some of those do have story though...Tarzan is classic

[-p.tiddy-]

The Tarzan cartoon is a classic?

How about Rocky? It won best picture, it's about a dude trains and then fights a guy. Wow, riveting!


Plus Drive isn't even nominated for best picture.
Tarzan the book(s)


There is more to Rocky than that...Rocky actually "speaks"...lol...there is dialoge

there is drama between him and his girl...and his trainer...and Apollo...he has to fight "other battles" ouside the ring...

granted it isn't THAT deep...still deeper than Drive...who is a mute and just kills people violently...even the love story in Drive is severly underwhelming

[RidonKs]

granted it isn't THAT deep...still deeper than Drive...who is a mute and just kills people violently...even the love story in Drive is severly underwhelming

no, once again, just to keep this shit relevant

it's not "underwhelming", it's "understated". you were underwhelmed. most people weren't. that doesn't mean they were overwhelmed, but it depicted an interesting dynamic between a chick unable to move on after mothering a child with a future delinquent and a guy who clearly doesn't thrive with human contact and rarely finds anybody comfortable enough with him to develop any sort of relationship. it was completely unique which made it fascinating to behold, particularly in light (literally) of the visual stylistics.



btw, how do Toy Story and Terminator 2 not have stories? like, what standard are we setting here, because if they qualify, so does pretty much everything else.

[Meticode]

Oh jeez, stfu already you guys. :oldlol:

[heyhey]

i don't really think Once Upon a Time comes close to Godfather... Leone was overall a pretty sloppy director, just with a knack for drawing the audience in. mission accomplished with every movie he ever made, but Coppola manages the same thing and pays strenuous attention to detail.

i think you misunderstood my post or i didn't make myself very clear heyhey; re-reading it, a bit of both it would seem. i loved the Godfather, that post might have just exaggerated one particular feeling of being underwhelmed as a way to relate to primey... but the underwhelmed factor had everything to do with expectations and nothing to do with the film itself. when a movie is at the top of every single goat film list you've ever seen, you expect to be absolutely blown away... and when it turns into 'merely' an immaculate rendition of films you've sorta already seen (that came afterwards chronologically but prior in order of my viewing)... well, you get where i'm going.

and again, thorpe's drilled into my head (and no you're reaffirming) that the crazy attention to detail in the Godfather's dialogue and mood setting like you described means that every rewatch is a new experience where you notice something different which makes sense in the grand scheme and consequently makes the grand scheme all the more sensible. i have no plans to rewatch either it or its sequel in the near future but i also have no doubt i'll come across it, and on second viewing, already familiar with the story, probably be much more impressed as a result.

I think I understand u now. Yea I would say because of the nostalgic quality of the movie it gets better witch familiarity. Also I would say the grand schemes pretty straight forward but it's like every scene's a treat in and of itself because they r so well crafted.

[RaininTwos]

Even if Unforgiven was underrated, even massively so, it would still be regarded as better than Young Guns 1 or 2. Give me a f*cking break.
I was trolling lol.

[-p.tiddy-]

no, once again, just to keep this shit relevant

it's not "underwhelming", it's "understated". you were underwhelmed. most people weren't. that doesn't mean they were overwhelmed, but it depicted an interesting dynamic between a chick unable to move on after mothering a child with a future delinquent and a guy who clearly doesn't thrive with human contact and rarely finds anybody comfortable enough with him to develop any sort of relationship. it was completely unique which made it fascinating to behold, particularly in light (literally) of the visual stylistics.



btw, how do Toy Story and Terminator 2 not have stories? like, what standard are we setting here, because if they qualify, so does pretty much everything else.
no those were up for visual effects awards...not best picture

he just listed any random Oscar nominees



I don't think many were blown away by Drive's love story though...that wasn't just me

Not sure what many see in it...

"but it isn't SUPPOSED to have a good story prime!!!, a movie doesn't have to have a story to be good!!!"

"but it isn't supposed to be an action movie prime!!!...it isn't Fast and Furious!!!"

"but it isn't supposed to be a love story prime!!!"

etc etc


that leaves us with VIOLENCE...and a soundtrack

[Jailblazers7]

Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, Top Gun, Thelma and Louise, Terminator 2, Tarzan, Toy Story 3, etc.

I'll murder your whole family if you ever diss Toy Story again...


Anyway, I really want to see Drive now to understand what the **** you guys have been arguing about for 200 pages.

[Jailblazers7]

nvm Prof, the welfare of your family is now secure after reading your explanation.

[RidonKs]

I'm just saying Toy Story 3 was about a kid getting rid of toys, and T2 was about defending a boy.
i'm always wary of this sort of argument. name a few movies with more complex plots and i guarantee you i can reduce them to a sentence or a few words as well. TS3 was about way more than just a kid getting rid of toys and T2 was about more than just defending a boy. i mean, how can you reduce the plot of Terminator to 'defending a boy' without even mentioning its central theme, time travel?


i know what you're getting at, hell i've probably posted two dozen times in this thread so i better... i just don't really agree with your examples.

so yeah, i agree. there are just better examples out there. like Reservoir Dogs or something like Juno. then again, the parallel between the title characters of T2 and Drive is probably a good one.


i don't even really know why i quoted you in the first place, i knew what you meant. lol just trying to pick fights or something.

[SCdac]

I have yet to see it, but the past month or so Ive been talking to one of the chicks in this movie. one of the "strippers" no less. need to get around to watchin this

[-p.tiddy-]

I have yet to see it, but the past month or so Ive been talking to one of the chicks in this movie. one of the "strippers" no less. need to get around to watchin this
probably the worst scene in the movie

Gosling runs into a room full of strippers and brutally attacks a man with a hammer...the strippers never move a muslce...:facepalm

they just sit there and watch the violence and act as though it is no biggie


but girls in real life SCREAM AND YELL!!!


http://cinematicfringe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Drive-Hammer.jpg



sorry for the big pic

[SCdac]

I'm actually talking to the chick who's texting on her iphone before he walks into that room. in real life shes a pornstar. gotten to know each other quite a bit, sweet girl.

[-p.tiddy-]

what is her name?

[SCdac]

what is her name?

sarah. aka andy san dimas or some shit. i know her as sarah. we don't really talk about her profession much, mostly just regular shit. life.

[-p.tiddy-]

http://i1034.photobucket.com/albums/a424/ashizrandom12/andysandimas.png


you need to get her drunk one night I think...

[SCdac]

you need to get her drunk one night I think...

oh for sure. trust me, its in the works. although I wont need to "get her drunk", she likes to drink already. she's pretty cool... anyways, I dont mean to derail the thread. it's just, this is not exactly the kind of stuff I can mention on facebook to everybody I know.

[-p.tiddy-]

oh for sure. trust me, its in the works. although I wont need to "get her drunk", she likes to drink already. she's pretty cool... anyways, I dont mean to derail the thread. it's just, this is not exactly the kind of stuff I can mention on facebook to everybody I know.
it's impossible to dereal this thread...

I wish you the best of luck sir...:cheers:

[SCdac]

You'd better not be lying. These mofos will find out.

I'm not lying, I have no reason to. we're just friends anyways, I'm not claiming anything has happened between us yet. at the same time, I wouldn't want her to think that's why I like her. I like her for who she is, not what she does, n thats half the reason I think she likes me (outside of who I am).

[-p.tiddy-]

I'm not lying, I have no reason to. we're just friends anyways, I'm not claiming anything has happened between us yet. at the same time, I wouldn't want her to think that's why I like her. I like her for who she is, not what she does, n thats half the reason I think she likes me (outside of who I am).
yeah...I'm like that too

all the girls I'm "friends" with I just like for who they are...it's just a really strange coincidence that all of them happen to be hot...

[AlexanderRight]

Yes...and that is true imo

I don't disagree with this.


It isn't deep and meaningful, it is simple minded and dull...and yes I feel like I was lied to.

AND YES SIMPLE MINDED MOVIES CAN BE GOOD, just not Oscar good.

I love plenty if simple fun films like Drive...but they weren't hyped as movie if the year.

It's really ironic because everything you say here is exactly what Avatar is. Only difference being (besides the garbage acting) that Avatar was hyped, praised, and awarded a billion times more than Drive, so going by your argument one would think you would have a bigger problem with that movie. But that would be going against your agenda and showing your bias. :rolleyes:

[-p.tiddy-]

It's really ironic because everything you say here is exactly what Avatar is. Only difference being (besides the garbage acting) that Avatar was hyped, praised, and awarded a billion times more than Drive, so going by your argument one would think you would have a bigger problem with that movie. But that would be going against your agenda and showing your bias. :rolleyes:
no way

Avatar had a huge epic story with tons of dialoge and character dev


the only issue that people had with that story is that it was already done twice in Dances with Wolves and Last Samurai

this was already discussed in here the last time this thread was bumped

[-p.tiddy-]

Avatar had tons on meaning in it...all sorts of hidden messages and agendas related to race, the war in Iraq...deforestation...human nature in general...etc


it had just already been done...

[AlexanderRight]

Avatar had tons on meaning in it...all sorts of hidden messages and agendas related to race, the war in Iraq...deforestation...human nature in general...etc


it had just already been done...

The fact that had already been done (about a billion times before) is a testament to how unoriginal it is. Avatar's central plot centers around a love story between people of vastly different backgrounds. That concept is the oldest storytelling platform in history. And it's thematic undertones (human nature and deforestation) don't have much of an impact when the characters that are suppose to showcase those themes are so painfully obvious.

Themes aren't suppose to be banged over your head. (Avatar). They are suppose to be implied and left for you to ponder. Avatar's central message was so damn obvious, cliche, cheesy, terribly conveyed, and shockingly unoriginal.

Steven Lang and Giovanni Ribisi (the antagonists of the film) were so obvious, cliche, unoriginal, and painfully forced that it made me shudder. Maybe, Cameron wanted that. Maybe he wanted uninteresting and uncomplicated villains to help elevate the feel good emotion he wanted to give. Or maybe, he's just a bad writer.

Albert Brooks in Drive however, was a wonderfully crafted villain. Not only was his acting a billion times better than anything an Avatar, his character was beautifully written. He's a mobster yes, but the way he was designed and conveyed was not stereotypical at all. Hence the award nominations that Albert got.

Character development in Avatar. Pssh. :facepalm

[blablabla]

http://i1034.photobucket.com/albums/a424/ashizrandom12/andysandimas.png


you need to get her drunk one night I think...
pornstar version of rachel bilson

[-p.tiddy-]

The fact that had already been done (about a billion times before) is a testament to how unoriginal it is. Avatar's central plot centers around a love story between people of vastly different backgrounds. That concept is the oldest storytelling platform in history. And it's thematic undertones (human nature and deforestation) don't have much of an impact when the characters that are suppose to showcase those themes are so painfully obvious.

Themes aren't suppose to be banged over your head. (Avatar). They are suppose to be implied and left for you to ponder. Avatar's central message was so damn obvious, cliche, cheesy, terribly conveyed, and shockingly unoriginal.

Steven Lang and Giovanni Ribisi (the antagonists of the film) were so obvious, cliche, unoriginal, and painfully forced that it made me shudder. Maybe, Cameron wanted that. Maybe he wanted uninteresting and uncomplicated villains to help elevate the feel good emotion he wanted to give. Or maybe, he's just a bad writer.

Albert Brooks in Drive however, was a wonderfully crafted villain. Not only was his acting a billion times better than anything an Avatar, his character was beautifully written. He's a mobster yes, but the way he was designed and conveyed was not stereotypical at all. Hence the award nominations that Albert got.

Character development in Avatar. Pssh. :facepalm
agree with Avatar...but disagree with Albert Brooks...who was the most obvious cliche mob boss possible

the only way he could have been more cliche is if he would have been Italian and eating pasta in a scene...

he wasn't creative in any way what so ever...he was a bad man that killed people...nothing new there...the "main bad guy" in Avatar was better IMO

[-p.tiddy-]

what I said that you quoted there def doesn't work for Avatar though...regardless of the fact the story had alrady been done, it still had a very long and deep story with tons of hidden meanings and messages...that movie was very long and full of dialoge

[burnsy87]

This movie had one of the worst endings I have ever seen.

[AlexanderRight]

what I said that you quoted there def doesn't work for Avatar though...regardless of the fact the story had already been done, it still had a very long and deep story with tons of hidden meanings and messages...that movie was very long and full of dialoge

SON! Dialogue isn't good just because it's dialogue. Ya damn right Avatar had a lot of dialogue, it was damn near 3 hours long! But dialogue needs to be good. Avatar's dialogue was horrendous! What the hell did they say in that scene?

"How are we gonna do this? We're going up against gunships with bows and arrows."
"Then I guess we better stop em."

That shit is garbage bro. Cameron has never been good when it comes to dialogue.

Just cause it has a lot of words, doesn't mean it's good. The Artist won for best picture and it was a freaking silent film. So no, the dialog in Avatar was terrible.

And as for the hidden messages you keep talking about, again these messages don't mean much when they're banged over your head. Of course Avatar had meanings supporting wildlife and speaking badly of human nature and their greed. Anyone with half a brain could figure out what Avatar was trying to say. That doesn't make it good. How you convey the themes are just as important if no more important than the them itself. Obvious characterization and terrible dialogue was a terrible way to convey those themes. Not to mention the garbage acting. The themes and messages of Avatar were certainly good ones, but if they are conveyed terrible and then smashed over your head then it's not good at all.

Avatar's script isn't complex, it isn't deep, it isn't engaging, and it sure as hell isn't original. I'm sure I don't even need to mention Dances with Wolves. But I don't hate on it because I know Avatar's script isn't its biggest value. Its the special effects. Cameron uses special effects, setting, and atmosphere to engage the viewer and in that regard, he perfects it. That's why I don't hate too much on everything else because anyone should know that's not the focal point of the film.

Com'on son. deep story? good dialogue? wtf :facepalm

[AlexanderRight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRbNrH9OrxU

watch this video. Albert brooks perfectly explains what the hell he's doing

[-p.tiddy-]

SON! Dialogue isn't good just because it's dialogue. Ya damn right Avatar had a lot of dialogue, it was damn near 3 hours long! But dialogue needs to be good. Avatar's dialogue was horrendous! What the hell did they say in that scene?

"How are we gonna do this? We're going up against gunships with bows and arrows."
"Then I guess we better stop em."

That shit is garbage bro. Cameron has never been good when it comes to dialogue.

Just cause it has a lot of words, doesn't mean it's good. The Artist won for best picture and it was a freaking silent film. So no, the dialog in Avatar was terrible.

And as for the hidden messages you keep talking about, again these messages don't mean much when they're banged over your head. Of course Avatar had meanings supporting wildlife and speaking badly of human nature and their greed. Anyone with half a brain could figure out what Avatar was trying to say. That doesn't make it good. How you convey the themes are just as important if no more important than the them itself. Obvious characterization and terrible dialogue was a terrible way to convey those themes. Not to mention the garbage acting. The themes and messages of Avatar were certainly good ones, but if they are conveyed terrible and then smashed over your head then it's not good at all.

Avatar's script isn't complex, it isn't deep, it isn't engaging, and it sure as hell isn't original. I'm sure I don't even need to mention Dances with Wolves. But I don't hate on it because I know Avatar's script isn't its biggest value. Its the special effects. Cameron uses special effects, setting, and atmosphere to engage the viewer and in that regard, he perfects it. That's why I don't hate too much on everything else because anyone should know that's not the focal point of the film.

Com'on son. deep story? good dialogue? wtf :facepalm
SON!...I'm not arguing wether or not the dialoge or story was good in Avatar...I'm just saying it actually had it!


Drive didn't even have enough character dev to make you give a shit if people died or not...at it's core it is stylized violence and a decent soundtrack, and that is IT...no story, no dialoge, no action...nothing

Avatar had ALL of those things...(story, dialoge, action)...wether or not those things were good isn't something I care to debate

[-p.tiddy-]

they are just COMPLETELY different movies...Avatar and Drive...they aren't even close to the same

[-p.tiddy-]

This movie had one of the worst endings I have ever seen.
yeah...


I was just sitting there mummbling..."well is he about to die?"

then I realized I didn't care if he lived or not...

[Riddler]

I'll try to watch this movie this weekend... and I'll be the judge whether or not this film is overrated.

[1987_Lakers]

Watched the movie for the first time last night, loved it, but I'm a sucker for indie films.

[Myth]

Watched the movie for the first time last night, loved it, but I'm a sucker for indie films.

Oh no, you used the magic word. Now p.tiddy will get upset again.

[-p.tiddy-]

Oh no, you used the magic word. Now p.tiddy will get upset again.
you mean happy that he proved me right?

:banana:

[Scoooter]

I really liked this movie. Very atmospheric, very stylish. The music was excellent, and I dug the 80's dayglo. Solid performances all around.

[AlexanderRight]

you mean happy that he proved me right?

:banana:

Yep. Cause according to you, if a movie has a style that is independent from the mainstream approach that would ensure financial success, it sucks just because it's independent. :facepalm

I don't know what the hipsters did to you but I suggest you get over it.

[-p.tiddy-]

Yep. Cause according to you, if a movie has a style that is independent from the mainstream approach that would ensure financial success, it sucks just because it's independent. :facepalm

I don't know what the hipsters did to you but I suggest you get over it.
:lol huh?


this is a wanna-be indy film...but it is mainstream in reality

this is a movie that tricks people into thinking they are "deep" if they like it...but the truth is that it is an extremely simple minded movie that I am sure every 15 year old boy in the country loves.

[NuggetsFan]

this is a movie that tricks people into thinking they are "deep" if they like it...but the truth is that it is an extremely simple minded movie that I am sure every 15 year old boy in the country loves.

I'm sure there is hipster douche bags that fit your post but still. Nobody is saying Gosling\Albert Brooks\Carey Mulligan all had excellent parts because they want to be deep. Saying your like the artistic feel, soundtrack, 80's style isn't to seem deep. Maybe people just actually believe all of those things and you simply just don't agree with it :confusedshrug:

I'd say stop worrying about how others feel about the movie and form your own opinion on it. Seems like alot of people end up hating movies because they set certain expectations on it because of how OTHERS viewed it. Obviously it's cool to see others opinions and watch movies because of that but at the end of the day I'm not going to hate a movie because I think everybody just likes it to seem deep or something stupid like that.

[-p.tiddy-]

I'm sure there is hipster douche bags that fit your post but still. Nobody is saying Gosling\Albert Brooks\Carey Mulligan all had excellent parts because they want to be deep. Saying your like the artistic feel, soundtrack, 80's style isn't to seem deep. Maybe people just actually believe all of those things and you simply just don't agree with it :confusedshrug:

I'd say stop worrying about how others feel about the movie and form your own opinion on it. Seems like alot of people end up hating movies because they set certain expectations on it because of how OTHERS viewed it. Obviously it's cool to see others opinions and watch movies because of that but at the end of the day I'm not going to hate a movie because I think everybody just likes it to seem deep or something stupid like that.
how much hype a movie gets definitely affects how it is viewed though...and many people see movies based on reviews and high expectations

the first people to see The Hangover thought it was the funniest movie ever made...the people that saw The Hangover after hearing that thought it was the most overrated movie comedy ever.

Avatar is like that as well...many people HATE Avatar...not because it is a bad movie...but because they feel that it got so much undeserved praise...that can be seen in this thread

[NuggetsFan]

how much hype a movie gets definitely affects how it is viewed though...and many people see movies based on reviews and high expectations

the first people to see The Hangover thought it was the funniest movie ever made...the people that saw The Hangover after hearing that thought it was the most overrated movie comedy ever.

Avatar is like that as well...many people HATE Avatar...not because it is a bad movie...but because they feel that it got so much undeserved praise...that can be seen in this thread

I think it's true what your saying. I just don't really agree with it. When I watch a movie alot of the time it'll be based on somebody saying it was amazing, just saying at the end of the day you should come to your own conclusion based on the actual movie. The hangover is a good personal example for myself. Everybody told me it was the funniest movie ever just amazing. I watched and thought it was funny, nowhere close to as funny as alot of people but that didn't change how I viewed it. Wasn't like uhh this is a bad movie because I was expecting so much more, I still enjoyed it. Goes both ways too. I'm not huge on superhero movies, for whatever reason just not my thing. Everybody loves them. I can still watch Batman Dark Knight and all tho it's not really my thing I can see that it's a good flick. Drive while all tho not really your thing it seems .. still is a good flick IMO. I think if nobody talked about it, nobody hyped it you wouldn't think it's a flat out bad film. Seems to me the biggest reason you dislike the movie is because everybody else liked it so much.

Really seems like your being the "hipster" going against the grain. Maybe you do think it's a flat out bad movie but you seem to be more focused on the aspect of what people are trying to look like liking it, or what they saw rather than what you actually think. Kinda assuming tho because I think I had one post a few pages back and haven't really read the entire thread so you could just think it was a shit movie all together :oldlol:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvhY4f3M8&feature=related

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I think it's true what your saying. I just don't really agree with it. When I watch a movie alot of the time it'll be based on somebody saying it was amazing, just saying at the end of the day you should come to your own conclusion based on the actual movie. The hangover is a good personal example for myself. Everybody told me it was the funniest movie ever just amazing. I watched and thought it was funny, nowhere close to as funny as alot of people but that didn't change how I viewed it. Wasn't like uhh this is a bad movie because I was expecting so much more, I still enjoyed it. Goes both ways too. I'm not huge on superhero movies, for whatever reason just not my thing. Everybody loves them. I can still watch Batman Dark Knight and all tho it's not really my thing I can see that it's a good flick. Drive while all tho not really your thing it seems .. still is a good flick IMO. I think if nobody talked about it, nobody hyped it you wouldn't think it's a flat out bad film. Seems to me the biggest reason you dislike the movie is because everybody else liked it so much.

Really seems like your being the "hipster" going against the grain. Maybe you do think it's a flat out bad movie but you seem to be more focused on the aspect of what people are trying to look like liking it, or what they saw rather than what you actually think. Kinda assuming tho because I think I had one post a few pages back and haven't really read the entire thread so you could just think it was a shit movie all together :oldlol:
Coming to my own conclusion is exactly what this thread is...and I think it is similar to what you thought about The Hangover. I do think Drive is fun little stylized violence flick, but I don't think it is anywhere close to being Oscar worthy...and I don't think any of the acting was "brilliant" either...

I was focused on why everyone thought this movie was amazing, you're right...I was expecting to be blown away because of others.

I would say it's my fault for buying into what others think...but any time a movie gets tons of praise most people want to see what it's all about, just like you with The Hangover...this movie underwhelmed in a huge way, so I made a thread.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvhY4f3M8&feature=related
yeah, Vice City came to mind several times for me

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Coming to my own conclusion is exactly what this thread is...and I think it is similar to what you thought about The Hangover. I do think Drive is fun little stylized violence flick, but I don't think it is anywhere close to being Oscar worthy...and I don't think any of the acting was "brilliant" either...

I was focused on why everyone thought this movie was amazing, you're right...I was expecting to be blown away because of others.

I would say it's my fault for buying into what others think...but any time a movie gets tons of praise most people want to see what it's all about, just like you with The Hangover...this movie underwhelmed in a huge way, so I made a thread.

Wtf? The movie wasn't even nominated for an Oscar. It got one nomination and it was for like sound mixing. You don't dislike Drive. You just dislike that others like it. Nuggetsfan pretty much hit the nail on the head. And you damn right it's your fault. Like someone said before in this thread, due to being ignorant, you walked into a movie with pre-conceived notions and got something else. You could have easily looked up more on the movie. Pretty much every review out there stated that Drive didn't have a complex script and was excessive in its violence. It was very clear that this was an arthouse picture. And no, rotten tomatoes score does not grant you everything you need to know. And because you didn't get what you expected, you think you can bitch about it on a thread and because Drive has a style and technique that doesn't interest you, you call it overrated. Smh.

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Wtf? The movie wasn't even nominated for an Oscar. It got one nomination and it was for like sound mixing. You don't dislike Drive. You just dislike that others like it. Nuggetsfan pretty much hit the nail on the head. And you damn right it's your fault. Like someone said before in this thread, due to being ignorant, you walked into a movie with pre-conceived notions and got something else. You could have easily looked up more on the movie. Pretty much every review out there stated that Drive didn't have a complex script and was excessive in his violence. It was very clear that this was an arthouse picture. And no, rotten tomatoes score does not grant you everything you need to no. And because you didn't get what you expected, you think you can bitch about it on a thread.
due to being ignorant :oldlol:


EVERYONE walks into a movie with expectations of some sort...

yes, I AM upset everyone tricked me into thinking this movie was the best of the year...I said that already



love this thread

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due to being ignorant :oldlol:


EVERYONE walks into a movie with expectations of some sort...

yes, I AM upset everyone tricked me into thinking this movie was the best of the year...I said that already



love this thread

Nobody tricked you into thinking anything. And if you already thought that Drive was the best movie of the year before you even saw it just because others thought it was, you really are more simple minded than I thought. YOU assumed that Drive had a deep and complex script based on a rotten tomato score. You said that yourself. And out of all this hype you keep blabbing about, I'm sure none of it was about a deep and complex story.

This is your argument. This has been what you've been bitching about in this whole thread. That Drive's story was simple and that there was very little dialogue and all that has been said back to you in this thread that nobody ever said it was. You assumed that the script would be as good as No Country for Old Men just because Drive got Oscar hype and I'm telling you that a script doesn't need to be like that in order to get an oscar nod, never mind the fact that the film wasn't even nominated. Seriously, I've never seen anyone go so hard on a movie for the stupidest reasons.

A film doesn't need to have a complex script in order to be really good. I listed like ten films that got Oscar nominations that had scripts that weren't all that deep. A script is just part of the film. A movie could be terrific because of it's setting, soundtrack, acting, editing, cinematography, and style. Drive clearly relied on those values instead of script. You don't have to like it. It's very clear that it's not your cup of tea, and that's okay. But don't call it overrated or stupid just because it's not your type of film.