List of players over 7 foot, 230 pounds in Wilt's time

[Pointguard]

The Laker teams of mid to late '70's had great ball movement and the team stayed alert and active. At first Kareem thrived in it and as the decade was ending he gradually lost focus. Magic got him back on track, tho. Kareem in '72 is fluid, bouncy and trying to be an all around center like Wilt. In '76 Kareem was not the best scoring center in the game, but was far more talented than anybody in the league. But there is no separation from the league in any way. It was the last year Kareem put in the effort to be an all around center. Kareem didn't like fighting for rebounds and blocking shots were a matter of moods.

Kareem had the same talent difference from the rest of the league as Wilt did. Yet Kareem's only year of separation from the league is in '72 when he wasn't pacing himself. Wilt rarely had a year where he didn't have separation in some way. If they recorded blocks... he would have had separation in that measure as well. Wilt played the game above the rim and with great energy and he was the first to have a career that way.

[Deuce Bigalow]

6'10" does not qualify as 7' :facepalm
Since when are shoes 2" :oldlol:

[jlauber]

The Laker teams of mid to late '70's had great ball movement and the team stayed alert and active. At first Kareem thrived in it and as the decade was ending he gradually lost focus. Magic got him back on track, tho. Kareem in '72 is fluid, bouncy and trying to be an all around center like Wilt. In '76 Kareem was not the best scoring center in the game, but was far more talented than anybody in the league. But there is no separation from the league in any way. It was the last year Kareem put in the effort to be an all around center. Kareem didn't like fighting for rebounds and blocking shots were a matter of moods.

Kareem had the same talent difference from the rest of the league as Wilt did. Yet Kareem's only year of separation from the league is in '72 when he wasn't pacing himself. Wilt rarely had a year where he didn't have separation in some way. If they recorded blocks... he would have had separation in that measure as well. Wilt played the game above the rim and with great energy and he was the first to have a career that way.

I agree 100%. And as for Kareem's '77 post-season, it came in 11 games, and seven of them were against a Warrior team that was barely a .500 team. And those that actually watched the '77 WCF's, would tell you that Kareem really only outplayed Walton in one game. In the rest of that series, it was always Walton making the big plays, the clutch plays, or playing brilliantly in the 4th quarters.

That was not a knock on Kareem, so much as it was reality. He was certainly capable of dominating games, and when he was motivated, he did. But, there is no way that he was at his peak in '77. If anything, while his range and bulk increased, his athleticism declined, and even moreso, his overall desire.

And it fascinates me that Wilt gets ripped for a supposed "decline" in the post-season (and I have posted the ACTUAL numbers which support Wilt was one of the greatest "Big Game" players of all-time), while Kareem's SEVERAL post-season "flop-jobs" are largely ignored.

And go ahead and look up Kareem in his "must-win" and "clinching games." Again, SEVERAL in which he was either outplayed by his opposing center, even decisively, or in which he "choked."

[jlauber]

6'10" does not qualify as 7' :facepalm
Since when are shoes 2" :oldlol:

Are you still posting here...despite being SHREDDED in EVERY discussion involving Wilt?

[Simple Jack]

6'10" does not qualify as 7' :facepalm
Since when are shoes 2" :oldlol:

http://marinafini.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/il_fullxfull-149200025.jpg

[jlauber]

http://marinafini.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/il_fullxfull-149200025.jpg

Hakeem's and Ben Wallace's shoes.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Are you still posting here...despite being SHREDDED in EVERY discussion involving Wilt?
Delusional guy you are. Forgot that you have Alzheimer's and that is it 2012 not 1972?

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://marinafini.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/il_fullxfull-149200025.jpg
GOAT

[jlauber]

Delusional guy you are. Forgot that you have Alzheimer's and that is it 2012 not 1972?

Well, I am convinced that I have forgotten FAR more than you will EVER know.

[CavaliersFTW]

6'10" does not qualify as 7' :facepalm
Since when are shoes 2" :oldlol:

Tell that to the NBA

Tell that to Dwight Howard

Dwight's 6'9 and 6'10.25" in his shoes.

They went ahead and penciled him in to a generous 6'11

...Because there is no rule about "in shoes". A list height is literally w/e the f_ck the NBA wants it to be in the modern era... "In shoes" is just their excuse to get away with lying... It is a loose guide at best and they generally keep it within 2" but it's been stretched as far as 3" before. Some players don't even get exaggerated - there's no consistency because there isn't any rules that u must list a player in shoes. They'll list a player as tall as they feel they can get away with unless said player states otherwise.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Tell that to the NBA

Tell that to Dwight Howard

Dwight's 6'9 and 6'10.25" in his shoes.

They went ahead and penciled him in to a generous 6'11

...Because there is no rule about "in shoes". A list height is literally w/e the f_ck the NBA wants it to be in the modern era... "In shoes" is just their excuse to get away with lying... It is a loose guide at best and they generally keep it within 2" but it's been stretched as far as 3" before. Some players don't even get exaggerated - there's no consistency because there isn't any rules that u must list a player in shoes. They'll list a player as tall as they feel they can get away with unless a player states otherwise.
Tall tales

[CavaliersFTW]

Tall tales

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/A-Historical-Look-at-the-NBA-Pre-Draft-Measurements-2912/

Common knowledge available at your fingertips.

[jlauber]

Tell that to the NBA

Tell that to Dwight Howard

Dwight's 6'9 and 6'10.25" in his shoes.

They went ahead and penciled him in to a generous 6'11

...Because there is no rule about "in shoes". A list height is literally w/e the f_ck the NBA wants it to be in the modern era... "In shoes" is just their excuse to get away with lying... It is a loose guide at best and they generally keep it within 2" but it's been stretched as far as 3" before. Some players don't even get exaggerated - there's no consistency because there isn't any rules that u must list a player in shoes. They'll list a player as tall as they feel they can get away with unless said player states otherwise.

And as interesting, was the fact that, if anything, the players of the 60's and 70's were UNDER-LISTED. I remember Elvin Hayes being listed at 6-8 when he went against Alcindor in the "Astrodome Game." When he was drafted, he was measured at 6' 9 1/2", and was listed at 6-9. Sidney Wicks was listed at 6-8 at UCLA, and when he came into the NBA he was suddenly a full 6-9. Bill Walton was known to have been over 7-0, but was listed at 6-11 (and in today's NBA, and in shoes, he would have probably been 7-1+)

You have mentioned Bill Russell. In college he was listed at 6-10, and in the NBA, only 6-9. I read somewhere, where he claimed that he was 6-10. Put him in shoes, and he would surely have been 6-11.

Chamberlain was listed at 7-1 in his NBA career, and he himself said he was over that (7-1 1/16th), BUT, there were MANY who claimed he was taller. Kareem was listed at 7-2, and he was about an inch taller than Chamberlain. However, much later in his career, and standing next to Ralph Sampson, who was listed at 7-4, he was at least his equal in height.

Overall, the majority of players of the 60's and 70's would measure at at least an inch taller using today's measurements. And, as we have read, there are many in today's game, that are considerably shorter than their listed heights.

[jlauber]

Tall tales

Instead of posting pure crap, why don't you actually provide some real research to backup whatever ridiculous assertions you post?

You are using Basketball Reference, which has already been exposed as a joke in these discussions.

[bwink23]

Tall tales

Draftexpress.com........... I swear you don't research ANYTHING....just keep basking in your own ignorance.....:hammerhead:

[Owl]

Tell that to the NBA

Tell that to Dwight Howard

Dwight's 6'9 and 6'10.25" in his shoes.

They went ahead and penciled him in to a generous 6'11

...Because there is no rule about "in shoes". A list height is literally w/e the f_ck the NBA wants it to be in the modern era... "In shoes" is just their excuse to get away with lying... It is a loose guide at best and they generally keep it within 2" but it's been stretched as far as 3" before. Some players don't even get exaggerated - there's no consistency because there isn't any rules that u must list a player in shoes. They'll list a player as tall as they feel they can get away with unless said player states otherwise.
I'd agree with the gist of what you're saying, but the bolded seems a bit far. I do wish that there was consistency in heights given (i.e. everyone without shoes and maybe in metres/centimetres to make it more accurate though it would take some getting used to). But heights do go down too, Garnett didn't want to be known as a 7 footer (although I seem to recall Walton did the same thing), and I think most of the huge guys (Muresan, Bol, Bradley, Ming) have been listed as barefoot heights.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Instead of posting pure crap, why don't you actually provide some real research to backup whatever ridiculous assertions you post?

You are using Basketball Reference, which has already been exposed as a joke in these discussions.
Shoes don't equal 2". If a guy is 6'10" barefoot then he is 6'11" with shoes not 7'

[Optimus Prime]

Oh is this one of these threads bashing Wilt for dominating short white guys yet turning around and saying Bill Russell is the GOAT?:facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

Oh is this one of these threads bashing Wilt for dominating short white guys yet turning around and saying Bill Russell is the GOAT?:facepalm

Or Kareem for that matter... cuz it's not like he won a ring as MVP on a GOAT team while Chamberlain was very much still in the league right? :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Or Kareem for that matter... cuz it's not like he won a ring as MVP on a GOAT team while Chamberlain was very much still in the league right? :lol
1971 - Championship and Finals MVP

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://i33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg

[abuC]

http://i33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg
:roll:

[jlauber]

http://i33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg

Why would you open up an old thread, and in which the first 18 pages just destroys your OP?

[eliteballer]

Look at the size of the dude Wilt is playing here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaXHYlPECcc

[jlauber]

Look at the size of the dude Wilt is playing here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaXHYlPECcc

No need to mention players like Kareem, who was 7-2, and over 230 by the time Wilt retired, or Thurmond, Bellamy, and Lanier...all listed at 6-11, and all would be listed at over 7-0 in today's game...and all playing over 230 lbs. And there were other's listed earlier, as well.

And, who cares?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Look at the size of the dude Wilt is playing here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaXHYlPECcc
:lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Why would you open up an old thread, and in which the first 18 pages just destroys your OP?
:biggums:

[CavaliersFTW]

http://i33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg
Do I even need to mention that your cherry-picked sample footage doesn't even fall under "Wilt's era"? :oldlol: That happened the 1950's.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/138/7/f/russdunkolympics_by_dantheman9758-d506gc1.gif
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/125/1/e/gus_johnson_dunk_by_dantheman9758-d4yocdj.gif
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/129/8/e/joecaldwelldunk_by_dantheman9758-d4z2t0x.gif







http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/089/4/1/skyhookgif3_by_dantheman9758-d4uenol.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDzzxVE34k&t=3m59s

/thread :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Mel Counts - 7'0", 230 lbs
Swede Halbrook - 7'3" 235 lbs (played only 2 seasons)



That's it. And both were scrubs.

[CavaliersFTW]

Mel Counts - 7'0", 230 lbs
Swede Halbrook - 7'3" 235 lbs (played only 2 seasons)



That's it. And both were scrubs.

lol jlauber is going to have a stroke because of you

[eliteballer]

:lol

Whats funny, he's bigger than Wilt

[senelcoolidge]

Don't worry guys. 20 years from now Lebron and Kobe will be considered epic scrubs. Let's be happy.

[dunksby]

What I don't get is why old farts like jlauber tend to disrespect Kareem to promote Wilt while they whine all the time about how the younger generation bash 60s and 70s basketball. Kareem is arguably the best basketball player of all time who dominated the league for a decade and his longevity and love for the game is undisputed and unrivaled to date.

[senelcoolidge]

What I don't get is why old farts like jlauber tend to disrespect Kareem to promote Wilt while they whine all the time about how the younger generation bash 60s and 70s basketball. Kareem is arguably the best basketball player of all time who dominated the league for a decade and his longevity and love for the game is undisputed and unrivaled to date.

Kareem was great no doubt, but Wilt was better. I don't say this to put down Kareem at all. Kareem is like a basketball god, but Wilt was just better. jlauber can give you all of the numbers and etc.

[dunksby]

Kareem was great no doubt, but Wilt was better. I don't say this to put down Kareem at all. Kareem is like a basketball god, but Wilt was just better. jlauber can give you all of the numbers and etc.
I know his god damn wall of texts by heart + his H2H stats and shit no need for a jlauber copy paste job again. Dude is the same guy who thought 60s/70s basketball was bullshit till a few years ago but suddenly changed his view so I cannot take that Mfer seriously.

[CavaliersFTW]

I know his god damn wall of texts by heart + his H2H stats and shit no need for a jlauber copy paste job again. Dude is the same guy who thought 60s/70s basketball was bullshit till a few years ago but suddenly changed his view so I cannot take that Mfer seriously.
I swear I saw a video of this posted in another thread somewhere lol

[Legends66NBA7]

I swear I saw a video of this posted in another thread somewhere lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHJuifYlbY

There you go.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHJuifYlbY

There you go.
lmao

Who is your main account? Are you Dunce Bigalow or are you dickwad? :lol

[d.bball.guy]

lol jlauber is going to have a stroke because of you
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Psileas]

Do I even need to mention that your cherry-picked sample footage doesn't even fall under "Wilt's era"? :oldlol: That happened the 1950's.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/138/7/f/russdunkolympics_by_dantheman9758-d506gc1.gif
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/125/1/e/gus_johnson_dunk_by_dantheman9758-d4yocdj.gif
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/129/8/e/joecaldwelldunk_by_dantheman9758-d4z2t0x.gif







http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/089/4/1/skyhookgif3_by_dantheman9758-d4uenol.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDzzxVE34k&t=3m59s

/thread :roll:

You need to make a GIF of that play from college when a fast moving Russell opens the fastbreak with a few wide steps, takes off from close to the free throw line and lays it in convincingly enough to let us know he could have dunked it.

EDIT: I'm talking about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGFRRQgnLnc#t=5m7s

[Calabis]

The funny part is how some posters will defend these scrub 50s players like they were some type of Gods. Prime Bill Russell in todays league is playing for the D-league

:facepalm

[millwad]

I swear I saw a video of this posted in another thread somewhere lol

Haha..


Jlauber and credibility is not an instant match..

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5029077&postcount=53

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm