Tim Duncan vs Kobe Bryant - Year by Year since 1998

[Nowitness]

i want to also mention that duncan has 5 regular seasons with win shares per 48 better than kobe's best.

[Nowitness]

99- Duncan
00- Duncan
01- Kobe
02- Duncan
03- Duncan
04- Duncan
05- Duncan
06- Kobe
07- Kobe
08- Kobe
09- Kobe
10- Kobe
11- Kobe
12- Kobe
13- Kobe
14- Duncan

good lis but 07 is definitely duncan :confusedshrug: .

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=duncati01&y1=2007&p2=bryanko01&y2=2007

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2007.html

kobe's defense this year :biggums:

[tpols]

good lis but 07 is definitely duncan :confusedshrug: .

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=duncati01&y1=2007&p2=bryanko01&y2=2007

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2007.html

kobe's defense this year :biggums:

32/6/5 58 TS versus 20/11/3 58 TS regular season...

33/5/4 56 TS versus 22/12/3 56 TS playoffs...


You want to bring up Kobe's inferior defense.. but Kobe was outscoring Duncan by 10+ ppg and outassisting him by big margins. And I rounded Duncan's efficiencies up.. Kobe was actually more efficient in both the RS and in the playoffs.

Kobe smashes Duncan offensively in 2007.. its not even remotely close. And Duncan lost FMVP to Tony Parker.. a player even inferior to Pau Gasol(who Kobe routinely gets ripped on for being 'carried' by).


And on top of all that, everyone had Kobe as the best player in the world in 06 and 07.. its straight revisionist history to say otherwise, much less claim 'definitely duncan'.

[Big#50]

32/6/5 58 TS versus 20/11/3 58 TS regular season...

33/5/4 56 TS versus 22/12/3 56 TS playoffs...


You want to bring up Kobe's inferior defense.. but Kobe was outscoring Duncan by 10+ ppg and outassisting him by big margins. And I rounded Duncan's efficiencies up.. Kobe was actually more efficient in both the RS and in the playoffs.

Kobe smashes Duncan offensively in 2007.. its not even remotely close. And Duncan lost FMVP to Tony Parker.. a player even inferior to Pau Gasol(who Kobe routinely gets ripped on for being 'carried' by).


And on top of all that, everyone had Kobe as the best player in the world in 06 and 07.. its straight revisionist history to say otherwise, much less claim 'definitely duncan'.
Revisionist history? No just **** no.
Nobody thought KOBE was the best in 06 and 07. Just like nobody thought he was equal or better than Shaq during their 3 peat and other seasons. Nobody did. Only ISH KOBE stans say that. Now that is revisionist history.


Since 2001 to now Kobe has been a top 5 player every season but he has never separated himself from the rest of the league as the clear cut best.


Offense is also not only about points and assists. You're forgetting defensive attention and setting screens. Those two things are never mentioned. But theyre a big part of the offensive side.
07 Duncan was the best player on the league.

[tpols]

Revisionist history? No just **** no.
Nobody thought KOBE was the best in 06 and 07. Just like nobody thought he was equal or better than Shaq during their 3 peat and other seasons. Nobody did. Only ISH KOBE stans say that. Now that is revisionist history.


Since 2001 to now Kobe has been a top 5 player every season but he has never separated himself from the rest of the league as the clear cut best.


Offense is also not only about points and assists. You're forgetting defensive attention and setting screens. Those two things are never mentioned. But theyre a big part of the offensive side.
07 Duncan was the best player on the league.
You're lying.:lol


Kobe finished AHEAD of Duncan in MVP voting in 2007.. is everyone that votes on MVPs now a resident ISH Kobe stan?:rolleyes: You can pull up articles, headlines etc from those years.. Kobe was seen as the best player in the game.

Setting screens and defensive attention? There are a ton of big men who can set solid screens.. and Kobe of course was far more doubled and feared by defenses in 2007 than Duncan's ever been in his whole career, much less one of the last years of his prime. Duncan wasnt even the best offensive player on his own team.. Dual headed perimeter monster of manu/parker was the driving force behind that..

manu had better advanced offensive stats than duncan as well.


And then there's closing games, crunchtime scoring/playmaking which again manu and parker were far more responsible for.. While Kobe was the main closer on his teams by far.

How you can even make the case that a guy who scores 12 less ppg on lower efficiency and gets way less assists is even close to another player offensively is crazy...

And whats even crazier is you bring up the defensive attention argument like the guy having 40 ppg months and streaks of 50 pt games isnt being gameplanned for and doubled harder more than the guy dropping a pedestrian 20 ppg. :facepalm

[Big#50]

You're lying.:lol


Kobe finished AHEAD of Duncan in MVP voting in 2007.. is everyone that votes on MVPs now a resident ISH Kobe stan?:rolleyes: You can pull up articles, headlines etc from those years.. Kobe was seen as the best player in the game.

Setting screens and defensive attention? There are a ton of big men who can set solid screens.. and Kobe of course was far more doubled and feared by defenses in 2007 than Duncan's ever been in his whole career, much less one of the last years of his prime. Duncan wasnt even the best offensive player on his own team.. Dual headed perimeter monster of manu/parker was the driving force behind that..

manu had better advanced offensive stats than duncan as well.


And then there's closing games, crunchtime scoring/playmaking which again manu and parker were far more responsible for.. While Kobe was the main closer on his teams by far.

How you can even make the case that a guy who scores 12 less ppg on lower efficiency and gets way less assists is even close to another player offensively is crazy...

And whats even crazier is you bring up the defensive attention argument like the guy having 40 ppg months and streaks of 50 pt games isnt being gameplanned for and doubled harder more than the guy dropping a pedestrian 20 ppg. :facepalm
I never said Duncan was better than KOBE on offense. I only said you forgot other facets of the game. Some stuff just doesn't show on the stat box. Duncan shot 55% KObe 46%.
MVP voting is dumb as ****. Voting in general for nba awards sucks. TIM was the best defensive player that season. Was the best player in the playoffs and won the ring.
He was the best player that year. It isn't close.

[tpols]

I never said Duncan was better than KOBE on offense. I only said you forgot other facets of the game. Some stuff just doesn't show on the stat box. Duncan shot 55% KObe 46%.
MVP voting is dumb as ****. Voting in general for nba awards sucks. TIM was the best defensive player that season. Was the best player in the playoffs and won the ring.
He was the best player that year. It isn't close.

Now since it wasnt just the kobe stans, all of the media voters suck as well... 'It isnt close':oldlol: :facepalm Youre hopeless bruh.

[Big#50]

Now since it wasnt just the kobe stans, all of the media voters suck as well... 'It isnt close':oldlol: :facepalm Youre hopeless bruh.
KOBE was barely ahead of Tim.
When you take everything into consideration. It wasn't close. The ring, the accolades, the playoffs. the defense. You guys can talk shit about mvp voting when people bring up KOBE only has one, but then prop it up when he got a bit more votes over another player. Come on STANS.
** KObe was third in voting and Duncan was fourth.
DPOY voting Duncan was third and I don't think Kobe was top 25 or even got one vote.

[tpols]

KOBE was barely ahead of Tim.
When you take everything into consideration. It wasn't close. The ring, the accolades, the playoffs. the defense. You guys can talk shit about mvp voting when people bring up KOBE only has one, but then prop it up when he got a bit more votes over another player. Come on STANS.
** KObe was third in voting and Duncan was fourth.
DPOY voting Duncan was third and I don't think Kobe was top 25 or even got one vote.

MVP voting takes into account everything.. youre saying it like MVP is offense and timmy is right there with kobe, only a little behind and his huge edge in DPOY makes him by miles the better player.

MVP already takes BOTH offense and defense into account.. and Kobe beats duncan out in 2007.. Im not even saying thats a perfect measure at all, but it completely blows away your argument that it was only kobe/LA stans saying Kobe was better. Youre just lying.

[Big#50]

MVP voting takes into account everything.. youre saying it like MVP is offense and timmy is right there with kobe, only a little behind and his huge edge in DPOY makes him by miles the better player.

MVP already takes BOTH offense and defense into account.. and Kobe beats duncan out in 2007.. Im not even saying thats a perfect measure at all, but it completely blows away your argument that it was only kobe/LA stans saying Kobe was better. Youre just lying.
Again nobody thought KOBE was the best player in 07 like you said. NOBODY.

[Nowitness]

You're lying.:lol


Kobe finished AHEAD of Duncan in MVP voting in 2007.. is everyone that votes on MVPs now a resident ISH Kobe stan?:rolleyes: You can pull up articles, headlines etc from those years.. Kobe was seen as the best player in the game.

Setting screens and defensive attention? There are a ton of big men who can set solid screens.. and Kobe of course was far more doubled and feared by defenses in 2007 than Duncan's ever been in his whole career, much less one of the last years of his prime. Duncan wasnt even the best offensive player on his own team.. Dual headed perimeter monster of manu/parker was the driving force behind that..

manu had better advanced offensive stats than duncan as well.


And then there's closing games, crunchtime scoring/playmaking which again manu and parker were far more responsible for.. While Kobe was the main closer on his teams by far.

How you can even make the case that a guy who scores 12 less ppg on lower efficiency and gets way less assists is even close to another player offensively is crazy...

And whats even crazier is you bring up the defensive attention argument like the guy having 40 ppg months and streaks of 50 pt games isnt being gameplanned for and doubled harder more than the guy dropping a pedestrian 20 ppg. :facepalm

duncan had more attention from defenses at his peak than kobe did.

he was a low post monster who got doubled as soon as he touched the ball. a volume scoring guard is now getting more defensive attention? :biggums:

also. the offense was still running through duncan in 07. look at the suns series if you dont believe me.

manu was slightly better offensively that year but parker? are you fcking nuts? he scored less points than duncan on worse efficiency/

[Cold soul]

Again nobody thought KOBE was the best player in 07 like you said. NOBODY.

I think most of the NBA world did at the time. Kobe was hands down the best player in league years 06-08.

[tpols]

Again nobody thought KOBE was the best player in 07 like you said. NOBODY.

Ok. :oldlol: whatever you say man.
















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[tpols]

duncan had more attention from defenses at his peak than kobe did.

he was a low post monster who got doubled as soon as he touched the ball. a volume scoring guard is now getting more defensive attention? :biggums:

also. the offense was still running through duncan in 07. look at the suns series if you dont believe me.

manu was slightly better offensively that year but parker? are you fcking nuts? he scored less points than duncan on worse efficiency/

I didnt say parker was better.. I said manu had the better advanced offensive stats, and the manu/parker combo was more important to their offense than duncan was.. and of course more important to closing games.. which it was.

And No.. youre literally out of your mind if you think Duncan was gameplanned more for offensively and doubled/focused in on more than a peak Kobe. I might have to throw you on my ignore list for that and I have never even used that before

[Big#50]

I think most of the NBA world did at the time. Kobe was hands down the best player in league years 06-08.
2006 Kobe was fourth
2007 Kobe was third
MVP voting had him first in 08 but he was better IMO in 06 and 07. Voting sucks.
KOBE was not hands down the best. Nope

2000 SHAQ
2003 Duncan
are the only seasons since Jordan retired when there was a clear cut best player.
There has been other dominant seasons from players like 04 KG but he didn't win the ring.
from 2004 to now we've had Shaq, KG, Durant, Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Dwight, Kobe, Wade, Paul all battling for the best claim.

[TheMarkMadsen]

2006 Kobe was fourth
2007 Kobe was third
MVP voting had him first in 08 but he was better IMO in 06 and 07. Voting sucks.
KOBE was not hands down the best. Nope

2000 SHAQ
2003 Duncan
are the only seasons since Jordan retired when there was a clear cut best player.
There has been other dominant seasons from players like 04 KG but he didn't win the ring.
from 2004 to now we've had Shaq, KG, Durant, Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Dwight, Kobe, Wade, Paul all battling for the best claim.

somebody should tell the players in the NBA

from 07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt-f49jyMmo

from 08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anoqbgOZrEg

[rmt]

Um, Duncan choked against the Mavericks in that game 7 OT, blowing yet another series in which his team had HCA. A team that could (in a recurring theme) play Duncan about 33 mpg and still cruise to 63 wins. Duncan's offense was anemic even by his standards that year (18.6ppg, 52 TS%; Kobe nearly doubled that ppg on better efficiency)

2006 Kobe cakewalks to a title with those Spurs, don't even kid yourself.

I fail to see how Duncan with 41 pts / 15 rebs / 6 asst / 3 blks can be labelled as choking - he played his heart out and except for Manu's stupid foul, IMO, they would have gone on to win that year. They owned the Suns and matched up very well vs MIA with Bowen/Wade and Duncan/Nazr/Rasho/Shaq. He played 49:33 and had to get IV after the game.

Duncan's and Parker's averages were neck and neck 18.6 to 18.9 that year - that's just the way SAS' offense is - not with one person jacking up all the shots.

[tpols]

I fail to see how Duncan with 41 pts / 15 rebs / 6 asst / 3 blks can be labelled as choking - he played his heart out and except for Manu's stupid foul, IMO, they would have gone on to win that year. They owned the Suns and matched up very well vs MIA with Bowen/Wade and Duncan/Nazr/Rasho/Shaq. He played 49:33 and had to get IV after the game.

Duncan's and Parker's averages were neck and neck 18.6 to 18.9 that year - that's just the way SAS' offense is - not with one person jacking up all the shots.

Neither are good enough to be jacking up all the shots.. Kobe already had better overall efficiency at 32 ppg than duncan did at 20 ppg.. In order for duncan or parker to get up into the 30s theyd probably have to be iverson levels sub 50TS.

[rmt]

Duncan wasnt even the best offensive player on his own team.. Dual headed perimeter monster of manu/parker was the driving force behind that..

manu had better advanced offensive stats than duncan as well.



2006-07 Regular Season
Duncan - 20 pts / 10.6 rebs / 3.4 asst / 2.4 blks 54.6%
Parker - 18.6 pts / 5.5 asst 52%
Manu - 16.5 pts / 3.5 asst 46.4%

2007 Playoffs
Duncan 22.2 pts / 11.5 rebs / 3.3 asst / 3.1 blks 52.1%
Parker 20.8 pts / 5.8 asst 48%
Manu 16.7 pts / 3.7 asst 40.1%

and in the TRUE Finals vs Suns:

Duncan 26.8 pts / 13.7 rebs / 4.2 blks 57.3%
Parker 20.8 pts / 5.7 asst 45.1%
Manu 17.8 pts / 4.3 asst 41%

[Encre92]

Clearly Duncan > Kobe.

[L.A. Jazz]

i saw both from the beginning in the NBA and until 2006 i would have picked Tim over Kobe. Kobe 2002-2006 wasnt far off but Tim was winning as the best player and winning MVPs against Shaq, KG, Nowitzki, CWebb, ...

And dont tell me what Shaq or magazine covers were saying. both shouldnt be taken too serious.

[Mr. Jabbar]

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98 and 99 duncan, the rest is kobe

[sportjames23]

Clearly Duncan > Kobe.


Clearly Encre92 = fakkit

[Spurs5Rings2014]

1998 - Duncan
1999 - Duncan
2000 - Duncan
2001 - Duncan
2002 - Duncan
2003 - Duncan
2004 - Duncan
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Duncan
2007 - Duncan
2008 - Duncan
2009 - Duncan
2010 - Duncan
2011 - Duncan
2012 - Duncan
2013 - Duncan
2014 - Duncan

[ImKobe]

1998 - Duncan
1999 - Duncan
2000 - Duncan
2001 - Duncan
2002 - Duncan (MVP)
2003 - Duncan
2004 - Duncan
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Duncan
2007 - Duncan
2008 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2010 - Kobe
2011 - Kobe
2012 - Kobe

2000 is debatable, Duncan was injured and did not play in the Playoffs while Kobe played a huge role in getting his team to the Finals and had one great Finals game. Kobe had the better season legacy-wise with adding a ring to his total.

Kobe led the most dominant Playoff team in winshares in 2001, 30/7/6 championship run

2002 is Kobe clearly, as he was great in the Spurs series and even better in the Finals

2006 - :oldlol:, Kobe was clearly the best in the league and stuck on the worst team in the league while Spurs epicly choked against the Mavs, Dirk took a huge shit on Duncan all series while Kobe managed to outscore the same Mavs team in 3 quarters.

2007 could go either way, Parker being a bigger contributor in the Finals and the bs calls in the Phoenix series lead me to believe Duncan had an off-year, as he played sub-par in the Playoffs for his standards and was bailed out by either his teammates or the refs.

and 2008-2013 it's clearly Kobe, before he went down with the achilles injury.

Duncan had some legit years and his 2003 season is as good as any from Kobe's (I think very equal to Kobe's 2001 run), Kobe has the edge in terms of being the better player in more NBA seasons, especially during their peaks, plus he's 4 - 2 in the POs against Duncan.

[Combat Wombat]

When you compare 2 of the best of the 2000's year by year for there career starting from the time when both were in the league (1998), who would say was the better player in each season?

1998 - Duncan
1999 - Duncan
2000 - Duncan
2001 - Kobe
2002 - Duncan
2003 - HGHbe (was a beast in 03.)
2004 - Duncan
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2010 - Kobe
2011 - Kobe
2012 - Kobe

2000-2003 is up for debate.

[T_L_P]

2000 is debatable, Duncan was injured and did not play in the Playoffs while Kobe played a huge role in getting his team to the Finals and had one great Finals game. Kobe had the better season legacy-wise with adding a ring to his total.

Kobe led the most dominant Playoff team in winshares in 2001, 30/7/6 championship run

2002 is Kobe clearly, as he was great in the Spurs series and even better in the Finals

2006 - :oldlol:, Kobe was clearly the best in the league and stuck on the worst team in the league while Spurs epicly choked against the Mavs, Dirk took a huge shit on Duncan all series while Kobe managed to outscore the same Mavs team in 3 quarters.

2007 could go either way, Parker being a bigger contributor in the Finals and the bs calls in the Phoenix series lead me to believe Duncan had an off-year, as he played sub-par in the Playoffs for his standards and was bailed out by either his teammates or the refs.

and 2008-2013 it's clearly Kobe, before he went down with the achilles injury.

Duncan had some legit years and his 2003 season is as good as any from Kobe's (I think very equal to Kobe's 2001 run), Kobe has the edge in terms of being the better player in more NBA seasons, especially during their peaks, plus he's 4 - 2 in the POs against Duncan.

How on earth is 02 Kobe? Duncan's regular season was 26/13/4/1/3 on .576 TS%, leading his clearly inferior team to more wins. Kobe put up 25/6/6/2/.5 on .544 TS%.

In the Playoffs Kobe put up 27/6/5/1/1 on .511 TS%. Duncan averaged 28/14/5/1/4 on .550 TS%.

In the WCSF against each other, Duncan averaged 29/17/5/1/3 on .517 TS%. Kobe put up 26/5/5/1 on .486 TS%.

There are homer picks and then there's this. 01 Kobe was easily better than 01 Duncan. But Kobe has zero case for 02. He was no longer a great defender, his efficiency was bad, and his raw stats don't even compare.

[T_L_P]

Oh, and what's this about the 03 run being equal to Kobe's 01 run?

Add up their raw stats, Kobe comes out with 45.2 and Duncan comes out with 49.3, even though his Usage was lower and his team was slower.

Duncan was more efficient (.577 TS% to .555) grabbed 10% more of the available rebounds, .1 more assists (a big getting more available assists than a guard :oldlol:), and had a better WS/48. He played much more vital defense and was the clear-cut leader of his team, and he won with a weaker cast.

Now the runs are equal. :oldlol:

[Stringer Bell]

Oh, and what's this about the 03 run being equal to Kobe's 01 run?

Add up their raw stats, Kobe comes out with 45.2 and Duncan comes out with 49.3, even though his Usage was lower and his team was slower.

Duncan was more efficient (.577 TS% to .555) grabbed 10% more of the available rebounds, .1 more assists (a big getting more available assists than a guard :oldlol:), and had a better WS/48. He played much more vital defense and was the clear-cut leader of his team, and he won with a weaker cast.

Now the runs are equal. :oldlol:

Duncan's 03' playoff run was definitely better. Kobe's was great, but Duncan's was among the best ever.

Look at the supporting cast he led to the title, and the great numbers Duncan put up (in addition to all the stuff that doesn't show up on the stat sheet).

[riseagainst]

Clearly Encre92 < fakkit

fixed

[T_L_P]

Question: which year/years was one of them definitively better than the other?

[HOoopCityJones]

Question: which year/years was one of them definitively better than the other?

08-10 for Kobe. 07 is arguable , but since The Spurs won that on account of Parker I'll give it to him.


EDIT: 13' regular season Kobe was better than Duncan imo.

[ShawkFactory]

I think very little argument can be made for Kobe in:
-1999
-2000
-2002
-2003 (Even though Kobe was awesome; Duncan was just crazy this year)
-2004
-2005

whereas very little argument for Duncan could be made in:
-2006
-2008 onward (until injuries)

This wasn't too difficult, as aside from 01 and 03 their peaks didn't really coincide at all.

[ShawkFactory]

08-10 for Kobe. 07 is arguable , but since The Spurs won that on account of Parker I'll give it to him.


EDIT: 13' regular season Kobe was better than Duncan imo.
Not really. It's like what Kobe fans love to say regarding the FMVP and Shaq, particularly in 2001 (but even more drastic). Duncan was far an away the teams best player throughout the west playoffs. 4 games against an outclassed team doesn't necessarily make Parker the reason they won. Had taking over that series been necessary Duncan would have done it.

[JebronLames]

Not gonna lie, I got duncan in 2014 and 2015.