Motorcycle gang chases down and pummels man after cyclist bumped by SUV in NYC

[BrooklynZoo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ukdkgLYYbw

video cuts off when the real attack occurs. Can't really blame the driver. The biker purposely slowed down and after that the driver was acting in defense

[Draz]

Wow. Where was this? That's pathetic, the biker brake checked him. Is there an entire video of this?

[Just2McFly]

people have brake checked me, still didn't run them over... just saying.

[andremiller07]

Motor Bike gangs:facepalm seriously I don't know if there is a bigger bunch of losers on the planet, all they do is go around on there loud annoying bikes trying to look sick I mean they are like 30+ years old and got nothing better to do seriously.....

[BrooklynZoo]

Daily News article (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/pack-motorcyclists-chase-man-suv-attack-upper-manhattan-street-fender-bender-west-side-highway-article-1.1471585)

[iamgine]

I wonder if by law this is justified cause to shoot.

[Fawker]

that's ****ed up. i think he just didn't know how to handle the situation and panicked with his daughter in the car. caught a beating and a 2pac face slash. must have been horrifying for the daughter.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1472024.1380574307!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/lien-1.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1472025.1380584456!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/lien-1.jpg

[fsvr54]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlZEK4Ah_Cc

[branslowski]

Everybody wanna be Sons Of Anarchy now.:oldlol:

[StusOneGoodEye]

Why did that biker even bait him to a fender bender? I thought the SUV was letting them do their thing until that point.

[GOBB]

Why didnt he call the cops as he drove the SUV? Should have stayed on highway.

[Fawker]

Why didnt he call the cops as he drove the SUV? Should have stayed on highway.
there will be 911 recordings. asians cover all bases.

[Rameek]

I'm a biker also but that was totally uncalled for. I hope they all get caught fuking savagez. It wasnt even necessary for them to check the SUV. Dude should have been on 911 from jump street. He was never going to out run them.

[9erempiree]

Times like this I wish gun laws were loose in NY. Could have opened fire on those motorcyclists.

[andgar923]

Sad f*cked up shit.

I feel bad for the girl.

ALL of those idiots deserve to get locked up. if they don't, other decent bikers should join together to expel them from humanity.

[tomtucker]

i was about to get upset, then i saw they were asians.........and

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http://i.qkme.me/3pecd0.jpg

[n00bie]

That's ****ed up. The guy should have reversed & drove over all the bikers at the end. :oldlol:

You don't **** with someone's family.

[n00bie]

same club attacking a prius driver?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ujSkztMRrs&feature=player_embedded#t=135

[Joshumitsu]

From various comments all over the internet, these guys are notorious for doing shit like this around NY.....flipping off cops, yelling at people, attacking other cars, weaving through traffic, stopping in the middle.

Makes you wish Reddit or 4Chan would find out their private information and release it.

On the good news, news reports indicate 15 have already been arrested with more on the way. Bad news is they'll probably get released and continue doing this shit.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

I would've GPSed a police station and just drove straight there. Or just started trying to run them all over on the highway.


But for real, what a corny ass group of dudes. Did they go and beat up a bunch of kinder-gardeners later?

[MavsSuperFan]

people have brake checked me, still didn't run them over... just saying.

After getting braked checked if you bumped them accidentally and then they got out of their car with about 20+ of their friends and were threatening to beat your ass and you were with only you wife and toddler daughter would you just stay there and reason with them?

And for the record not a single biker was injured. only their bikes damaged.

[Scholar]

I don't know what the complete story is but this is why I can't ride with a group of motorcyclists. No matter what, there are bound to be a few who are compete jackasses and want to take out their aggressions on everyone else. F*cking barbaric pieces of shit.

[rezznor]

After getting braked checked if you bumped them accidentally and then they got out of their car with about 20+ of their friends and were threatening to beat your ass and you were with only you wife and toddler daughter would you just stay there and reason with them?

And for the record not a single biker was injured. only their bikes damaged.

i read one guy got his leg broken but still, those maniacs deserved it. i used to ride bikes and i think the suv driver was justified in taking off.

[GOBB]

Whoever the first bike was that had their bike ran over. No way they escaped injury.


I dont understand break checking when it comes to bikes. I understand you should never ride on their ass. But I'm lost to why I have to just let you dictate how I'm driving because you intentionally want to slow me down so your friends can dominate the road and show off. You dont own the road. :confusedshrug:

[gigantes]

I would've GPSed a police station and just drove straight there.
agree, altho i think he needed to find some kind of police presence on the highway. just staying on 911 and waiting for the cops to find them would have been good.


i think it was on youtube or something there was a comment about the original biker pulling this move as an insurance scam. well... dumbest scam ever?

[Just2McFly]

After getting braked checked if you bumped them accidentally and then they got out of their car with about 20+ of their friends and were threatening to beat your ass and you were with only you wife and toddler daughter would you just stay there and reason with them?

And for the record not a single biker was injured. only their bikes damaged.
I tend to be real cautious around bikers so I doubt I would hit them. It would have been the smart thing to call the cops because they were basically shuttin down a highway before hand instead of trying to do what he did.

People are commending the guy for protecting his family when he should have just pulled over, called that shit and let the cops make them disperse. I don't care about right and wrong parties, protecting your family isn't what this guy did right here. He completely mishandled the situation yet people stilll sympathize with him.

[andgar923]

That is a ton of mufuhkas tho.

Hard for anybody to really get back at them. Not much you can do once they surround you like they do. If you're in the street forget about it, if the freeway is packed you're even more f*cked.

Unless you just happen to be from a certain hood and you just happen to be in that hood and call out your gang. Highly unlikely scenario.

The cops are also useless unless they're in full force as well, the cops would get swarmed and get beat also. Only people that can really slow them down are other gangs with a large number.

[andgar923]

I tend to be real cautious around bikers so I doubt I would hit them. It would have been the smart thing to call the cops because they were basically shuttin down a highway before hand instead of trying to do what he did.

People are commending the guy for protecting his family when he should have just pulled over, called that shit and let the cops make them disperse. I don't care about right and wrong parties, protecting your family isn't what this guy did right here. He completely mishandled the situation yet people stilll sympathize with him.

Are you serious?

"Pull over"?

At what point would that have been a good thing?

I don't say this lightly, but you're an idiot.

[rezznor]

I tend to be real cautious around bikers so I doubt I would hit them. It would have been the smart thing to call the cops because they were basically shuttin down a highway before hand instead of trying to do what he did.

People are commending the guy for protecting his family when he should have just pulled over, called that shit and let the cops make them disperse. I don't care about right and wrong parties, protecting your family isn't what this guy did right here. He completely mishandled the situation yet people stilll sympathize with him.
how did he mishandle? he was trying to get to his destination, did not seem to be driving aggressively or erratically, the asswipe pulls in front of him and brake checks him, his suv cant stop as fast so of course the bike gets bumped. the driver stops like he is supposed to and immediately gets his car beat on and tires get slashed, so what is he supposed to do? of course he tries to gtfo of the situation since he's surrounded by an unruly mob.

[Just2McFly]

Are you serious?

"Pull over"?

At what point would that have been a good thing?

I don't say this lightly, but you're an idiot.
How am I an idiot?

Obviously I was talking about before he bumped into the biker who brake checked him. As a driver, that's not a place you want to be. I would remove myself from that situation before it even starts because I have a family don't need any bullshit today instead of following extremely closely and subsequently getting brake checked.

He and whoever was in the range could have been killed if those "motorcycle gangsters" had guns on them. I just think that you can only control what you do in life and I would have removed myself from that shit before anything even happened. Going on a high speed chase though NYC after running a man over is just so extra and I could have avoided the whole thing if I was smart .

[Andrew Wiggins]

I tend to be real cautious around bikers so I doubt I would hit them. It would have been the smart thing to call the cops because they were basically shuttin down a highway before hand instead of trying to do what he did.

People are commending the guy for protecting his family when he should have just pulled over, called that shit and let the cops make them disperse. I don't care about right and wrong parties, protecting your family isn't what this guy did right here. He completely mishandled the situation yet people stilll sympathize with him.

you truly sound like an imbecile :biggums:

[andgar923]

How am I an idiot?

Obviously I was talking about before he bumped into the biker who brake checked him. As a driver, that's not a place you want to be. I would remove myself from that situation before it even starts because I have a family don't need any bullshit today instead of following extremely closely and subsequently getting brake checked.

He and whoever was in the range could have been killed if those "motorcycle gangsters" had guns on them. I just think that you can only control what you do in life and I would have removed myself from that shit before anything even happened. Going on a high speed chase though NYC after running a man over is just so extra and I could have avoided the whole thing if I was smart .

HE HAD NO OPTION!!!

They surrounded him as he was driving, it happened very fast. They just sorta swarmed him before he could do anything. If it would've been possible for him to pull off I'm sure he would've.

One moment you're driving with your family and all is fine, you see a few bikers but nothing is wrong, then all of a sudden they start to swarm you and you're stuck. They move swiftly and almost stealthily as hard as it's to grasp a gang of hundreds to achieve, they did.

Also, I'm positive that even if he pulled over to the side, they weren't gonna just let him be. They were purposely looking for trouble. The idiot that filmed this has other videos of them doing just that (some which have been taken down). So if he pulls over he's even more f*cked.

He was in a lose lose situation, nothing much he could've done, the cops wouldn't been able to get there fast enough imo either.

And IF they had guns they would've shot at them as well, regardless of whether he had pulled over or not. You're gonna sit there and wait for them to pull a gun at you and your family?

The main reason he took off wasn't because he got break checked. The main reason he took off was because they were beginning to attack them.

[n00bie]

How am I an idiot?

Obviously I was talking about before he bumped into the biker who brake checked him. As a driver, that's not a place you want to be. I would remove myself from that situation before it even starts because I have a family don't need any bullshit today instead of following extremely closely and subsequently getting brake checked.

He and whoever was in the range could have been killed if those "motorcycle gangsters" had guns on them. I just think that you can only control what you do in life and I would have removed myself from that shit before anything even happened. Going on a high speed chase though NYC after running a man over is just so extra and I could have avoided the whole thing if I was smart .

Doesn't look like the driver had a choice. He wasn't "following extremely closely" on purpose. If you watch the video, you notice the biker speeding up to cut in front of the car & then start to brake.

You also can tell the driver tried to stop before he hit the guy. If he didn't, the impact would have been a lot worse.

After that, they swarmed his car. Anyone with or without a family would have done the same thing. GTFO of there.. even if that means running them over.

[Just2McFly]

HE HAD NO OPTION!!!

They surrounded him as he was driving, it happened very fast. They just sorta swarmed him before he could do anything. If it would've been possible for him to pull off I'm sure he would've.

One moment you're driving with your family and all is fine, you see a few bikers but nothing is wrong, then all of a sudden they start to swarm you and you're stuck. They move swiftly and almost stealthily as hard as it's to grasp a gang of hundreds to achieve, they did.

Also, I'm positive that even if he pulled over to the side, they weren't gonna just let him be. They were purposely looking for trouble. The idiot that filmed this has other videos of them doing just that (some which have been taken down). So if he pulls over he's even more f*cked.

He was in a lose lose situation, nothing much he could've done, the cops wouldn't been able to get there fast enough imo either.

It was a group of motorcycles, they ain't quiet bruh. You can keep the stealthy talk to yourself, I'm sure that shit sounded like the world was ending.

If he did what I am suggesting and they still give him trouble, which is a huge assumption , he could still pretend to be an action hero and go on his hi speed chase shit.

I'm just wary of bikers for a myriad of reasons, and do not want any drama in my life.

And that "brake check" was weak, man probably just rolled of the throttle

[gts]

So at what point in history do the idiots of the world figure out posting the evidence against yourself or your buddies online isn't a real good idea?

My lord people are stupid

[andgar923]

It was a group of motorcycles, they ain't quiet bruh. You can keep the stealthy talk to yourself, I'm sure that shit sounded like the world was ending.

If he did what I am suggesting and they still give him trouble, which is a huge assumption , he could still pretend to be an action hero and go on his hi speed chase shit.

I'm just wary of bikers for a myriad of reasons, and do not want any drama in my life.

And that "brake check" was weak, man probably just rolled of the throttle
:oldlol: :oldlol:

You think a man with his wife and daughter celebrating their one year anniversary was looking for trouble and trying to be an action hero?

Don't you think that he would've avoided all of this if he had an option to do so?

And you're right, it's hard to not see or hear the hundreds of bikers. But it usually starts off with a few and before you know it you're swarmed. There's the few that lead the pack, for a brief second it appears as just one or two passing by, they're not doing anything wrong. But a second later you become to get swarmed by dozens in the blink of an eye.

YOu make sound so simple.

[rezznor]

It was a group of motorcycles, they ain't quiet bruh. You can keep the stealthy talk to yourself, I'm sure that shit sounded like the world was ending.

If he did what I am suggesting and they still give him trouble, which is a huge assumption , he could still pretend to be an action hero and go on his hi speed chase shit.

I'm just wary of bikers for a myriad of reasons, and do not want any drama in my life.

And that "brake check" was weak, man probably just rolled of the throttle
so every time you encounter a few motorcycles on the street you exit and stop along the side or pull over? :facepalm

[Just2McFly]

Doesn't look like the driver had a choice. He wasn't "following extremely closely" on purpose. If you watch the video, you notice the biker speeding up to cut in front of the car & then start to brake.

You also can tell the driver tried to stop before he hit the guy. If he didn't, the impact would have been a lot worse.

After that, they swarmed his car. Anyone with or without a family would have done the same thing. GTFO of there.. even if that means running them over.
Do you drive? I've stopped faster than that with no brake pads and warped rotors. Man I've even stopped faster on my bicycle and it doesn't have disc brakes. That's not even close to "trying to stop". Call a spade a spade, dude isnt a defensive driver and then panicked.

[Just2McFly]

so every time you encounter a few motorcycles on the street you exit and stop along the side or pull over? :facepalm
a few? :oldlol: :oldlol:

Are we watching the same video?

[gts]

update on the story
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/us/new-york-bikers-road-rage-video/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[andgar923]

a few? :oldlol: :oldlol:

Are we watching the same video?

It originally starts off with a few, that's what he was suggesting.

The hundreds don't just mob you all at once from nowhere. It's a few that are in front of the mob, then they begin to slowly swarm you before you realize.

I can see how this evolved.

The man is driving with his family probably talking about the plans for the day, when he notices a few bikers

[Just2McFly]

What gives you the impression that they were specifically targeting him? I dont necessarily believe that.

[KingLeBronJames]

i was about to get upset, then i saw they were asians.........and

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http://i.qkme.me/3pecd0.jpg
Banned this racist.

[GOBB]

update on the story
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/us/new-york-bikers-road-rage-video/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

And once again people recording themselves make it easier for police to do their job.

[rezznor]

a few? :oldlol: :oldlol:

Are we watching the same video?
no, you said you are wary everytime you see bikers. overly cautious even..so are you gonna run the opposite direction everytime you see some?

not all bikers act like these asshats, the driver had no idea they were gonna behave the way they did. any reasonable person would just assume they would pass him up and be on their merry way. by the time he realized there was going to be trouble, IT WAS TOO LATE. how hard is that to comprehend?

[LJJ]

IBut for real, what a corny ass group of dudes. Did they go and beat up a bunch of kinder-gardeners later?

This, really. What a group of scumbag *******.

[Patrick Chewing]

I hope each and every one of these scumbag bikers gets a bullet to the head.

[GOBB]

I hope each and every one of these scumbag bikers gets a bullet to the head.


:biggums: Anger management classes for you.

[iamgine]

His wife and baby daughter were fine but imagine if they had slashed their faces too. The outrage that will ensue. :lol

[MavsSuperFan]

I tend to be real cautious around bikers so I doubt I would hit them. It would have been the smart thing to call the cops because they were basically shuttin down a highway before hand instead of trying to do what he did.

People are commending the guy for protecting his family when he should have just pulled over, called that shit and let the cops make them disperse. I don't care about right and wrong parties, protecting your family isn't what this guy did right here. He completely mishandled the situation yet people stilll sympathize with him.

he probably should have just pulled over earlier, but the minute he hit the biker that break checked he kind of didnt have a choice.


He completely mishandled the situation yet people stilll sympathize with him.

He didnt hit the biker that break checked him on purpose. People sympathize with him because after that point he was screwed. What would you have done had you accidently bumped into one of them?

[rezznor]

he probably should have just pulled over earlier, but the minute he hit the biker that break checked he kind of didnt have a choice.



He didnt hit the biker that break checked him on purpose. People sympathize with him because after that point he was screwed. What would you have done had you accidently bumped into one of them?


and don't forget, he stopped and pulled over like he should have after he hit the guy...then his car got attacked. at that point he was well within his rights to take off.

[-p.tiddy-]

damn, not sure what I would do if I was in that guy's shoes...they clearly baited him into that, just looking for trouble.

I guess if that ever happens to me I will just stop my car, let them fck with it, and hope they go away...the alternative is doing what that guy did, running them over and being chased down.

you're in a lose-lose no matter what, just have to figure out the safest way out of that mess...



at least no one was seriously injured

[gigantes]

i guess even when you have an issue in which everyone essentially agrees, there

[tomtucker]

Banned this racist.

learn to spell you ****** :oldlol:

[DeuceWallaces]

What gives you the impression that they were specifically targeting him? I dont necessarily believe that.

Stop being a ****ing idiot.

[MavsSuperFan]

How am I an idiot?

Obviously I was talking about before he bumped into the biker who brake checked him. As a driver, that's not a place you want to be. I would remove myself from that situation before it even starts because I have a family don't need any bullshit today instead of following extremely closely and subsequently getting brake checked.

He and whoever was in the range could have been killed if those "motorcycle gangsters" had guns on them. I just think that you can only control what you do in life and I would have removed myself from that shit before anything even happened. Going on a high speed chase though NYC after running a man over is just so extra and I could have avoided the whole thing if I was smart .

Watch the video again man. He was just driving the bikers came up behind him, surrounded him, got in front of him and then brake checked him. It was unavoidable. I think the bikers were just bored and wanted to brake check him for fun.

[MavsSuperFan]

:biggums: Anger management classes for you.
:biggums:
how about anger management classes for the bikers.
what if that was your family?

[MavsSuperFan]

damn, not sure what I would do if I was in that guy's shoes...they clearly baited him into that, just looking for trouble.

I guess if that ever happens to me I will just stop my car, let them fck with it, and hope they go away...the alternative is doing what that guy did, running them over and being chased down.

you're in a lose-lose no matter what, just have to figure out the safest way out of that mess...



at least no one was seriously injured

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1472024.1380574307!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/lien-1.jpg

That looks pretty serious.

[MavsSuperFan]

It was a group of motorcycles, they ain't quiet bruh. You can keep the stealthy talk to yourself, I'm sure that shit sounded like the world was ending.

If he did what I am suggesting and they still give him trouble, which is a huge assumption , he could still pretend to be an action hero and go on his hi speed chase shit.

I'm just wary of bikers for a myriad of reasons, and do not want any drama in my life.

And that "brake check" was weak, man probably just rolled of the throttle
You have replaced RAMBO as the dumbest person on ISH congrats

[-p.tiddy-]

That looks pretty serious.
yeah, they said after his face was stitched up he was released from the hospital though...he isn't in critical condition with busted up organs or anything

his wife and daughter probably saved him from serious damage...drunken bar brawls where one man is jumped are somewhat common and many times it results in brain damage, coma, even death...

I am betting they saw his family and then went light on him...


had that been an SUV with 3 20-something males out to have fun?...they probably would all be in critical condition

[-p.tiddy-]

this reminds me of the guy who was jumped at that baseball game in front of his son a year or two ago...beaten into a coma :(

hope that guy's family as good as they could be...

[rezznor]

the guy who started the whole thing by breaking in front of the suv has been charged with reckless endangerment and endangering the welfare of a child :applause:

hope they find the guys who smashed the windows and beat the driver.

[-p.tiddy-]

the guy who started the whole thing by breaking in front of the suv has been charged with reckless endangerment and endangering the welfare of a child :applause:

hope they find the guys who smashed the windows and beat the driver.
I wonder what kind of punishment he will face though

[tomtucker]

the biker who smashed the car-window was black......pretty rare to see that in a bike gang, right ? he was real mad too......prob belived it was the store clerk that always follows him around the store :pimp:

[JtotheIzzo]

I now understand why people want to carry guns.

what a bunch of assholes.

f*ckin with people with a family, that ain't right.

I wonder if the driver could have gotten away with shooting the window smasher in stand your ground?

[ballup]

These bikers were looking for trouble. I wouldn't be surprised if this happens more often than this one incident.

[Jailblazers7]

Meh, I don't think a gun would have done much good. No way I would pull one on a gang like that with my family in the car. Chances are that some of those dudes were carrying and shooting them dramatically increases the danger to your wife and kid.

[n00bie]

Do you drive? I've stopped faster than that with no brake pads and warped rotors. Man I've even stopped faster on my bicycle and it doesn't have disc brakes. That's not even close to "trying to stop". Call a spade a spade, dude isnt a defensive driver and then panicked.

The driver may not have been paying attention to that 1 bike, since he was surrounded by a few dozen.

I'm not sure if we're even watching the same video here if you can't tell the driver tried to stop.

You honestly either have to get your eyes checked, or go see a therapist. Either way, something is wrong with you.

[-p.tiddy-]

oh yeah if that guy had a gun it would have only made things 100x worse

that could easily result in his SUV being shot up and wife/child dead

[MavsSuperFan]

oh yeah if that guy had a gun it would have only made things 100x worse

that could easily result in his SUV being shot up and wife/child dead
handgun yes, but I think they would have run if he busted out an ak 47

[ballup]

handgun yes, but I think they would have run if he busted out an ak 47
Because each family man needs an AK47.

[zoom17]

If your in your car surrounded by 20-30 bikers wanting to slash you will panic too.

[Scholar]

update on the story
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/us/new-york-bikers-road-rage-video/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
This makes me feel slightly better. I just hope the ones who acted violently face actual prison time, none of that county jail bullshit.

[MavsSuperFan]

Because each family man needs an AK47.
post was half tongue in cheek, but it is some what sad how violent america is. Compare us to sweden, norway, japan, etc. You never see bikers beating people in those countries.

Honestly overall I am anti gun, but that video is just about the best NRA advertising as they have gotten in years.

Bunch of bikers drive up from behind a family

They surround them and purposefully break check them.

Accidental fender bender occurs they get out and threaten family.

Family drives off under threats, gets chased down and beaten.

Edit: wayne la'pierre is going to bust a nut when he sees the video.

[Sarcastic]

After getting braked checked if you bumped them accidentally and then they got out of their car with about 20+ of their friends and were threatening to beat your ass and you were with only you wife and toddler daughter would you just stay there and reason with them?

And for the record not a single biker was injured. only their bikes damaged.


One of the bikers might be paralyzed.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cops-hunt-bikers-wanted-wild-upper-manhattan-attack-article-1.1472419


http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1472584.1380640069!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/mieses.jpg



And the people saying guns should be allowed in NYC are retarded. Can you imagine all 20 of those bikers were packing guns as well? The Asian guy pulls his gun out, the 20 bikers pull out their's and kill everyone in the car, including his daughter. This fcked up situation would be a million times worse.

NY is too congested with people to allow people to have guns. There would be bloodbaths daily in NY.

[Rameek]

Whoever the first bike was that had their bike ran over. No way they escaped injury.


I dont understand break checking when it comes to bikes. I understand you should never ride on their ass. But I'm lost to why I have to just let you dictate how I'm driving because you intentionally want to slow me down so your friends can dominate the road and show off. You dont own the road. :confusedshrug:
The purpose is too keep the group together and account for most of the other people. It helps prevent losing someone due to mechanical issues or anything else. Generally you kind of have the group to stay together.

I try not to ride with people that dont have plates. Thats a huge problem in NYC. There are guys that have old plates. They generally have no insurance at all. Its really not that hard to get away with. When you ride with guys that have no conscious about themselves while riding will lead to problems easy.

Road rage while on a bike is common because other motorist and pedestrians put bikers life at risk daily. I have executed things like that on other motorist regardless of who is in the vehicle especially if I could have been severely injured or killed. It isnt right but those are extreme cases.

[bdreason]

I would have ran them over as well. Sorry, but you threaten my family with a gang of 20 people, what do you expect me to do?

[-p.tiddy-]

really hard to feel bad for any of the bikers that may have been injured


I read that they are claiming the guy stopped in front on them because he did something wrong in an incident earlier, not seen on tape

bikers need to understand that if you fck with people in an SUV you might get your ass ran over...how could you slow down in front of an SUV and NOT take that into account?

[bluechox2]

always the black guy who wants to take it further

[MavsSuperFan]

One of the bikers might be paralyzed.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cops-hunt-bikers-wanted-wild-upper-manhattan-attack-article-1.1472419


http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1472584.1380640069!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/mieses.jpg



And the people saying guns should be allowed in NYC are retarded. Can you imagine all 20 of those bikers were packing guns as well? The Asian guy pulls his gun out, the 20 bikers pull out their's and kill everyone in the car, including his daughter. This fcked up situation would be a million times worse.

NY is too congested with people to allow people to have guns. There would be bloodbaths daily in NY.
Wow, alright I had read no one was injured I guess I was wrong.

[bingo123]

handgun yes, but I think they would have run if he busted out an ak 47

And if he could do that they pull out their AK47s and a few rocket launchers... and he loses again.

[gts]

Wife of the guy who got run over is claiming he was trying to help the man in the SUV...

Good luck with that

[gigantes]

Wow, alright I had read no one was injured I guess I was wrong.
the problem is, his wife is going all apeshit over the guy in the SUV... saying he needs to pay for his act, etc.

she should really be pissed at this asshole christopher cruz, who set off the whole recorded incident by the brake-check. where is the pic of THAT guy?




i also noticed that picture of the guy who got run over, back in happier times:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1472707.1380647221!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/jeremiah-mieses.jpg

:lol

[andremiller07]

Wife of the guy who got run over is claiming he was trying to help the man in the SUV...

Good luck with that
lmao I don't know if there has been a bigger lie in the history of mankind

[gts]

So there was a facebook page for the rider run over "justice for jay mezee" (his rapper name) but it's been taken down evidently due to backlash then put back up...



more video from the ride

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/the-footage-that-the-nyc-bikers-didnt-want-you-to-see-1435594427

[PHX_Phan]

No where does it say if the guy had a phone on him or not. It would seem logical to call police but maybe he had no way and didn't know where a station was.

Don't blame him. Bunch of bikers swarm me? I'm bowling through them. The **** they think they're going to do by putting themselves in front of him and threatening him with injury? He has a 2 ton vehicle, your ass is toast as one of those guys quickly found out :lol. Zero remorse for guy who brake checked an SUV. If you want to prove a point by putting your own life in danger like that, don't expect anyone to shed a tear when they peel you off the pavement.

Also, there's no need to bring guns into the situation. If anything, dude needed onstar or some shit to call police. Guns just escalate the threat on either side.

[tpols]

I wouldve never stopped.. if I came to a block off im throwing that shit in reverse and pressing my foot to the floor til I see im through the crowd.

[rezznor]

[QUOTE]Since we first told you about the New York City incident between a family of three in a Range Rover SUV and a group of motorcyclists with a pack mentality early Monday morning, the story has blown up nationally and even internationally.
We tracked down the original source of the video to YouTube user "Michelinman900", whom we attempted to contact on Monday, but he never answered back. What's interesting is that said rider, who was part of the loosely formed "Hollywood Stuntz" group of motorcyclists, had uploaded several clips from the NYC run on YouTube, but upon checking his channel last night, the only one available from the Sunday afternoon run, was the clip with the Range Rover incident.

In other words, the other videos were removed. If you're wondering why he kept the SUV incident, if you ask us, for one, it basically frames the Range Rover driver and cuts out when the motorcyclists attack him, and it has already garnered over 2 million views in 24 hours and it does show Google Adsense ads

[gigantes]

I wouldve never stopped.. if I came to a block off im throwing that shit in reverse and pressing my foot to the floor til I see im through the crowd.
so you spend the rest of your life with a biker target on your back, all the harassment and threats that go with that, all the suffering your family has to go through because of that one decision, and years and years of lawsuits and likely seven-figures in legal fees. yea... brilliant.

[plowking]

That is a ton of mufuhkas tho.

Hard for anybody to really get back at them. Not much you can do once they surround you like they do. If you're in the street forget about it, if the freeway is packed you're even more f*cked.

Unless you just happen to be from a certain hood and you just happen to be in that hood and call out your gang. Highly unlikely scenario.

The cops are also useless unless they're in full force as well, the cops would get swarmed and get beat also. Only people that can really slow them down are other gangs with a large number.


:oldlol:

Dude... You seriously try too hard.

[tpols]

so you spend the rest of your life with a biker target on your back, all the harassment and threats that go with that, all the suffering your family has to go through because of that one decision, and years and years of lawsuits and likely seven-figures in legal fees. yea... brilliant.
First off, that guy easily couldve gotten killed by those bikers.. so that right there makes all your words worth it.

Second, if these guys were surrounding me and viciously attacking my car with weapons(nvm my family in the vehicle as well) I have every right to do anything in my power to get away when backed into a corner.

[gigantes]

First off, that guy easily couldve gotten killed by those bikers.. so that right there makes all your words worth it.

Second, if these guys were surrounding me and viciously attacking my car with weapons(nvm my family in the vehicle as well) I have every right to do anything in my power to get away when backed into a corner.
oh, hey... in the game of life you get to do whatever you want for whatever reasons you choose. i would not dream of challenging your rights.

i'm just pointing out that life also has consequences.


personally, if i can back up and escape slowly, causing as little damage as possible, that would be my choice. there were just too many bikers spread all over the place to think that ultimate escape was possible.

the only viable option i know of would be to connect with the police, some way, somehow.

[rezznor]

One of two motorcyclists who police say used their helmets to bash in an SUV window moments before the driver was dragged out and allegedly assaulted by a gang of bikers turned himself in to authorities on Tuesday.
The terrifying incident involving bikers on Manhattan's west side went viral after a video of the incident surfaced online.
A helmet camera one of the bikers was wearing captured much of the road-rage incident, including the moment when the biker who, police say, has now turned himself in walks up to the SUV and smashes its window with a bike helmet. The man's name was not released, and police said Tuesday afternoon that he had not yet been charged.
The New York City Police Department said a man driving a Range Rover with his wife and 2-year-old daughter inside Sunday struck a motorcyclist on Manhattan's West Side Highway, breaking his leg.
The biker who was struck by the SUV, 28-year-old Christopher Cruz, was later arrested and faces several charges, including reckless endangerment, reckless driving and endangering the welfare of a child, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said on Tuesday.
Earlier an NYPD spokeswoman, Lt. Karen Anderson, described the original incident by saying, "It was an accident."
The SUV driver pulled over after the biker was hit, and the motorcyclists surrounded his vehicle, hitting it and spiking the tires, police said. The driver pulled away, hitting three more bikers in the process, police said.
One of those bikers, Edwin Mieses, 32, is now paralyzed and in a coma, his family told CNN affiliate WBZ.
"All of his ribs are fractured," Mieses' mother, Yolanda Santiago, told CNN WBZ, "his lungs are so badly bruised that he's still on a ventilator."
Mieses' wife, Dayana, told CNN affiliate WCBS her husband got off his bike to help Cruz but the SUV driver drove off, hitting her husband on the way.
The hospital where Mieses is being treated did not respond to CNN inquiries about his condition.
Motorcycles, SUV clash on NYC streets
The gang, called "Hollywood Stuntz," according to police, chased the man, and he was forced to stop because of flat tires.
The SUV driver was cornered and beaten, according to police. He was later treated at a local hospital for slashes to his face and released. His wife and child were not injured.
"I don't condone the violence, there's no need for it," Mieses' sister Margie Mejia told WBZ, but "I'm glad they chased him down and they stopped him."
Authorities have not identified the people in the SUV.
Police say this same group of bikers descended on New York City and clogged up Times Square last year in what Commissioner Kelly said was a "major stunt event."
Authorities say they were able to prevent the group from entering Times Square this year. Police arrested 15 bikers in total Sunday, seized 55 bikes and wrote 68 summons for various violations.
They are looking at video footage to try to determine if any other charges will be filed in the road-rage incident.
On whether it was legal for the SUV driver to leave the scene after hitting the first motorcyclist, Kelly said Tuesday that "you have to look at the totality of the circumstances and that's what we're doing."
"The investigation is ongoing," Kelly said.
At this time, the SUV driver is not facing any charges.
"It's not going to bring my son's legs back, because it's not going to make him walk again," Mieses' mother said, "But justice has to be served."

they got another one

[tpols]

oh, hey... in the game of life you get to do whatever you want for whatever reasons you choose. i would not dream of challenging your rights.

i'm just pointing out that life also has consequences.


personally, if i can back up and escape slowly, causing as little damage as possible, that would be my choice. there were just too many bikers spread all over the place to think that ultimate escape was possible.

the only viable option i know of would be to connect with the police, some way, somehow.
nvm lol.. tires were slashed anyways. Guess Id be fvcked.

[RedBlackAttack]

So interesting to see the family of the injured biker attempting to frame this in a way which essentially exonerates Mieses from any wrongdoing or responsibility. There was undoubtedly a pack mentality going on here. These guys were essentially bullying an entire throughway of people.

They were a flat-out public menace and, when your whole goal is to scare and harass people on a busy roadway and your own a motorcycle, you're putting yourself in extreme danger.

They're lucky more people weren't seriously injured. Is it wrong that I feel absolutely no sympathy for this guy?

[andremiller07]

At this time, the SUV driver is not facing any charges.
"It's not going to bring my son's legs back, because it's not going to make him walk again," Mieses' mother said, "But justice has to be served."
If you son was not a idiot or hang out with idiots he never would have been in the position to loss him legs in the first place. That's what happens what you try go acting tough.

[RedBlackAttack]

If you son was not a idiot or hang out with idiots he never would have been in the position to loss him legs in the first place. That's what happens what you try go acting tough.
Note to self: Harassing and scaring a guy trying to protect his family while he's driving a large sport utility vehicle and I'm on a dirt bike is a bad idea.

What world are these people living in where this behavior is acceptable?

[bdreason]

They're lucky more people weren't seriously injured. Is it wrong that I feel absolutely no sympathy for this guy?


I don't have any sympathy either. These guys were playing with fire and got burned. If they were really just concerned about a hit-n-run, all they needed to do was write down the license plate number and call the police. Instead they tried to be vigilantes, and it almost cost one of them their lives.

[andremiller07]

Note to self: Harassing and scaring a guy trying to protect his family while he's driving a large sport utility vehicle and I'm on a dirt bike is a bad idea.

What world are these people living in where this behavior is acceptable?
Problem in the world today is there is just to many cowards out there hence why they joined lame ass gangs in the first place and try disrupt other peoples lives since they got nothing worthwhile in there's and even if they do they probably don't pay any attention to what's important and find idiotic things like annoying and threating a driver and his family for "fun".

[Just2McFly]

The driver may not have been paying attention to that 1 bike, since he was surrounded by a few dozen.

I'm not sure if we're even watching the same video here if you can't tell the driver tried to stop.

You honestly either have to get your eyes checked, or go see a therapist. Either way, something is wrong with you.
Anyone who tells me to go see a therapist over a dissenting opinion on a forum is troubled.

[Rasheed1]

They are on bikes and I'm in a jeep? I stay on the highway and run them down flap jack pancake style if they get too aggressive with me..

[MavsSuperFan]

Note to self: Harassing and scaring a guy trying to protect his family while he's driving a large sport utility vehicle and I'm on a dirt bike is a bad idea.

What world are these people living in where this behavior is acceptable?
It comes from growing up with a mother that will take your side no matter what. Some parents refuse to blame their kids for anything.

[MadeFromDust]

Some facts...
- The SUV driver was on a Sunday cruise with his wife celebrating their first anniversary with their little one
- Christopher Cruz is the azzh0l10 idiot who decided that brake-checking an SUV was a bright idea. He is the cause of all the carnage and the first one arrested
- The rider on the green bike was one of many who surrounded the SUV after the brake-check in a threatening manner, and some said they slashed his tires and began beating on it right there before he tore off over some bikes. He's the one whose legs, ribs, and spine got broken and is paralyzed
- The camera biker tried to delete some of his more incriminating vids but not before LiveLeak got a hold of them. It shows the riders all over the road, weaving, using shoulders, centerlines, and sidewalks to go around other drivers stuck in traffic

Opinions...
- The law and even a civil decision should be in the SUV driver's favor.
- I commend that driver as a hero to his family and hope he gets well soon to enjoy his family he saved for years to come
- I would be proud to have a couple of battle wounds like that in the effort to keep my wife and baby daughter protected and unscathed
- While I feel bad that the one rider is paralyzed possibly for life, when I see a picture of him with his helmet on and facepaint, and the word "Reckless" on it...it sure lessons my view of him as an unfortunate victim and makes me lean more to him as one of the aggressors.
- The bikes and descriptions of the two who attacked the SUV and the driver at the end are being analyzed and it's just a matter of time before they're brought to justice for their actions.

[MadeFromDust]

No where does it say if the guy had a phone on him or not. It would seem logical to call police but maybe he had no way and didn't know where a station was.

Don't blame him. Bunch of bikers swarm me? I'm bowling through them. The **** they think they're going to do by putting themselves in front of him and threatening him with injury? He has a 2 ton vehicle, your ass is toast as one of those guys quickly found out :lol. Zero remorse for guy who brake checked an SUV. If you want to prove a point by putting your own life in danger like that, don't expect anyone to shed a tear when they peel you off the pavement.

Also, there's no need to bring guns into the situation. If anything, dude needed onstar or some shit to call police. Guns just escalate the threat on either side.The wife called 911 as this was happening.

[MadeFromDust]

F-it Large image follows /smh
http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/bikers.jpg

[Bandito]

So interesting to see the family of the injured biker attempting to frame this in a way which essentially exonerates Mieses from any wrongdoing or responsibility. There was undoubtedly a pack mentality going on here. These guys were essentially bullying an entire throughway of people.

They were a flat-out public menace and, when your whole goal is to scare and harass people on a busy roadway and your own a motorcycle, you're putting yourself in extreme danger.

They're lucky more people weren't seriously injured. Is it wrong that I feel absolutely no sympathy for this guy?
I would've taken more with me, so I don't feel no sympathy whatsoever.

[ballup]

It's also too bad that this man will be targeted someday. Don't think that these guys will let this slide.

[MavsSuperFan]

Some facts...
- The SUV driver was on a Sunday cruise with his wife celebrating their first anniversary with their little one
- Christopher Cruz is the azzh0l10 idiot who decided that brake-checking an SUV was a bright idea. He is the cause of all the carnage and the first one arrested
- The rider on the green bike was one of many who surrounded the SUV after the brake-check in a threatening manner, and some said they slashed his tires and began beating on it right there before he tore off over some bikes. He's the one whose legs, ribs, and spine got broken and is paralyzed
- The camera biker tried to delete some of his more incriminating vids but not before LiveLeak got a hold of them. It shows the riders all over the road, weaving, using shoulders, centerlines, and sidewalks to go around other drivers stuck in traffic

Opinions...
- The law and even a civil decision should be in the SUV driver's favor.
- I commend that driver as a hero to his family and hope he gets well soon to enjoy his family he saved for years to come
- I would be proud to have a couple of battle wounds like that in the effort to keep my wife and baby daughter protected and unscathed
- While I feel bad that the one rider is paralyzed possibly for life, when I see a picture of him with his helmet on and facepaint, and the word "Reckless" on it...it sure lessons my view of him as an unfortunate victim and makes me lean more to him as one of the aggressors.
- The bikes and descriptions of the two who attacked the SUV and the driver at the end are being analyzed and it's just a matter of time before they're brought to justice for their actions.

I got to say if this is accurate, I am 100% behind the SUV driver.

[MadeFromDust]

It's also too bad that this man will be targeted someday. Don't think that these guys will let this slide.
Sheyitt this guy's a VIP in the Internet biz. He can plan an electronic attack on their bikes' computers and wreak havoc on them while they're in traffic. Besides, they're gonna be too busy and scared with NYPD targets on their backs to go back on the offensive.

[Patrick Chewing]

It's also too bad that this man will be targeted someday. Don't think that these guys will let this slide.

Oh please, these bikers are bunch of bitch boy clowns. This ain't Sons of Anarchy.


Trust me, if anything, this whole incident is a bad thing for these lawbreakers. Wouldn't be surprised if more innocent civilians started to defend themselves in this way. I know I would.

[Patrick Chewing]

So interesting to see the family of the injured biker attempting to frame this in a way which essentially exonerates Mieses from any wrongdoing or responsibility. There was undoubtedly a pack mentality going on here. These guys were essentially bullying an entire throughway of people.

They were a flat-out public menace and, when your whole goal is to scare and harass people on a busy roadway and your own a motorcycle, you're putting yourself in extreme danger.

They're lucky more people weren't seriously injured. Is it wrong that I feel absolutely no sympathy for this guy?


**** no it's not wrong. They took down all their videos from Youtube cause they knew all that incriminating evidence would be dealt with swiftly, but the videos are still up of their lawlessness: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664

[ballup]

They will lay low for a while, but they are going to blame the guy for breaking up their gang.

[Sarcastic]

really hard to feel bad for any of the bikers that may have been injured


I read that they are claiming the guy stopped in front on them because he did something wrong in an incident earlier, not seen on tape

bikers need to understand that if you fck with people in an SUV you might get your ass ran over...how could you slow down in front of an SUV and NOT take that into account?


The driver also has to understand that if you plow through a bunch of bikers with your SUV, the rest of them will chase you, and will catch up to you eventually. What happens after that is anyone's guess.

Not saying the bikers were in the right here, but the driver wasn't either.

[Patrick Chewing]

The driver also has to understand that if you plow through a bunch of bikers with your SUV, the rest of them will chase you, and will catch up to you eventually. What happens after that is anyone's guess.

Not saying the bikers were in the right here, but the driver wasn't either.


Not sure where you can come to the conclusion that the driver wasn't in the right either. You have to look at this incident at face value and call a spade a spade. These bikers have a history of intimidation. If the SUV driver felt threatened, then he was in his right to elude them at whatever cost. Judging by this video as irrefutable proof, he was threatened. Compound that with the fact that his wife and his child are in the car as well and anyone one of us would have done the same. You just don't stay put and let yourself be a victim.

[tgan3]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarcastic
The driver also has to understand that if you plow through a bunch of bikers with your SUV, the rest of them will chase you, and will catch up to you eventually. What happens after that is anyone's guess.

Not saying the bikers were in the right here, but the driver wasn't either.


They slashed the guys tires. They had knives on them. So you going to wait and find out if they are going to reason with you or attack you in the spur of the moment?

:biggums:

[RedBlackAttack]

The driver also has to understand that if you plow through a bunch of bikers with your SUV, the rest of them will chase you, and will catch up to you eventually. What happens after that is anyone's guess.

Not saying the bikers were in the right here, but the driver wasn't either.
I'm not sure he was in a position to thoroughly diagnose all of his options and potential ramifications. One of the bikers manufactured an incident by brake checking him. His vehicle, which was carrying his wife and 2-year-old child, was then surrounded in an aggressive manner by the bikes, tires slashed and windows struck by several gang members. That was just in the seconds after the brake check.

Who is to say that if he had stayed in that spot, they wouldn't have dragged him out and beaten him anyway? I'm sure that's how it was feeling to the helpless occupants being surrounded by a mob at that moment.

He had two choices... Sit there and hope they just destroyed his vehicle and didn't target him or his family... Or, try to get away any way he could. And, he didn't have much time to react, as more guys would have probably surrounded his vehicle had he waited another second.

He went with the latter option and I can't blame him. Seriously, f#ck these guys. The roadway is not their personal playground that they can use and abuse when they feel like it and then cry foul when someone doesn't react passively.

[Sarcastic]

Not sure where you can come to the conclusion that the driver wasn't in the right either. You have to look at this incident at face value and call a spade a spade. These bikers have a history of intimidation. If the SUV driver felt threatened, then he was in his right to elude them at whatever cost. Judging by this video as irrefutable proof, he was threatened. Compound that with the fact that his wife and his child are in the car as well and anyone one of us would have done the same. You just don't stay put and let yourself be a victim.


I'm not trying to defend the bikers here, but their past history should not have any bearing on the incident at all, unless they were convicted felons.

I understand that the driver felt threatened, but there are other solutions than taking the law into your own hands, and driving over a bunch of people, then speeding off. What did he think would happen? He could outrun a gang of motorcycles?

[tgan3]

I'm not trying to defend the bikers here, but their past history should not have any bearing on the incident at all, unless they were convicted felons.

I understand that the driver felt threatened, but there are other solutions than taking the law into your own hands, and driving over a bunch of people, then speeding off. What did he think would happen? He could outrun a gang of motorcycles?

He didn't take the law into his own hands, those bikers were going to hurt him and were blocking him. He sped off for safety.

[MavsSuperFan]

I'm not trying to defend the bikers here, but their past history should not have any bearing on the incident at all, unless they were convicted felons.

I understand that the driver felt threatened, but there are other solutions than taking the law into your own hands, and driving over a bunch of people, then speeding off. What did he think would happen? He could outrun a gang of motorcycles?

Thats not go into hypotheticals. Lets go into to what actually happened in the youtube video.

Bikers surround family suv and break check them on purpose. He tries to stop, but fails to do so and bumps christopher cruz's bike.

all of the bikers dismount and start slashing at his tires, kicking his car and threatening him.

What should he have done at this point?


I understand that the driver felt threatened, but there are other solutions than taking the law into your own hands, and driving over a bunch of people, then speeding off.

really? because Honestly at this point he was already going to be beaten and have his face slashed up. At least he got one of them in return.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

It's also too bad that this man will be targeted someday. Don't think that these guys will let this slide.
They're not a real gang man, they are a bunch of overgrown kids. They aren't centralized or smart enough to find this dude. Theres no leader in their group. They're all probably sitting at home scared shitless of the cops finding them right now.



Its the new generation of youtube/instagram gangs. Bunch of **** trying to look cool for some vids and pictures.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

**** no it's not wrong. They took down all their videos from Youtube cause they knew all that incriminating evidence would be dealt with swiftly, but the videos are still up of their lawlessness: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664
My question is... where the hell is the police, these dudes are riding around in groups of 40-50 riders breaking every possible traffic law for hours on end and don't encounter a single cop? What is this GTA?

[eriX]

My question is... where the hell is the police, these dudes are riding around in groups of 40-50 riders breaking every possible traffic law for hours on end and don't encounter a single cop? What is this GTA?

except now in GTA the cops get on you faster than you can blink

[Stempel, HERB]

They're lucky more people weren't seriously injured. Is it wrong that I feel absolutely no sympathy for this guy?
What if he played High School Football in Ohio? Scumbag

[TheReturn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGyKBFCd_u4

[Draz]

Wow this same gang drove pass my neighborhood two days ago, I was in the basement and heard roaring I thought a plane was crashing. I looked outside and seen a million of these riders driving by. Jesus. It has to be the same group.

[HardwoodLegend]

Why were they brake-checking him in the first place? Did they feel like singling out some nice vehicle and stick it to the "Rich Guy"?

[JerryWest]

Why were they brake-checking him in the first place? Did they feel like singling out some nice vehicle and stick it to the "Rich Guy"?
How's he rich? Range Rover's are dirtcheap :facepalm

[GOBB]

Why were they brake-checking him in the first place? Did they feel like singling out some nice vehicle and stick it to the "Rich Guy"?

No that is not it. I'm pretty sure judging by the videos they put on the internet that he was brake checked so other riders could get past and have open roadway ahead. It's no different then when they drive in the city. A couple riders will block intersections ahead so cars cant go east or west. Much like police do when they escort someone to a specific destination.

[HardwoodLegend]

What should he have done at this point?

because Honestly at this point he was already going to be beaten and have his face slashed up. At least he got one of them in return.

I don't blame the driver for how he reacted in the moment. I'm pretty sure it's a terrifying position.

In hindsight though, I really wonder what the bikers would have done. They didn't seem as aggressive as they did later in retaliation for one of them getting run over. They weren't bumrushing the car and taking the kind of action they were later down the road (running towards the door trying to open it, bashing the window with a helmet, etc.). They seemed a bit calmer, so I'm curious what their original intent was.

[-p.tiddy-]

How's he rich? Range Rover's are dirtcheap :facepalm
Dirt Cheap?

RR are very expensive SUVs

http://www.landrover.com/us/en/lr/

base price $83k...that's without ANYTHING added

[HardwoodLegend]

How's he rich? Range Rover's are dirtcheap :facepalm

Are they? I have no clue. I don't really look into SUV prices. I remember back in the day they were more of a luxury item and higher-priced.

[JerryWest]

Dirt Cheap?

RR are very expensive SUVs

http://www.landrover.com/us/en/lr/

base price $83k...that's without ANYTHING added
Those are brand new ones, was his brand new? :coleman:

Are they? I have no clue. I don't really look into SUV prices. I remember back in the day they were more of a luxury item and higher-priced.
Middle Class SUV :confusedshrug:

[Godzuki]

F-it Large image follows /smh
http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/bikers.jpg


where did you find that painted face and helmet pic from? i haven't seen that anywhere with this story.

[JerryWest]

where did you find that painted face and helmet pic from? i haven't seen that anywhere with this story.
It's called the "internet", retard :facepalm

[-p.tiddy-]

Those are brand new ones, was his brand new? :coleman:

Middle Class SUV :confusedshrug:

Range Rovers are high end "luxury" SUVs


calling them "dirt cheap" :facepalm

[MavsSuperFan]

Why were they brake-checking him in the first place? Did they feel like singling out some nice vehicle and stick it to the "Rich Guy"?
No these bikers are selfish and want to have clear roads ahead of them.

They thought they should have the right to break check people and clear out traffic in front of them.


They weren't bumrushing the car and taking the kind of action they were later down the road (running towards the door trying to open it, bashing the window with a helmet, etc.). They seemed a bit calmer, so I'm curious what their original intent was

umm they were surrounding the car and kicking it and slashing at the tires. and threatening the people in the car, from the moment the fender bender happened.

[Godzuki]

I'm not trying to defend the bikers here, but their past history should not have any bearing on the incident at all, unless they were convicted felons.

I understand that the driver felt threatened, but there are other solutions than taking the law into your own hands, and driving over a bunch of people, then speeding off. What did he think would happen? He could outrun a gang of motorcycles?


what the...? how does their past history not have any bearing on the incident? if they have a history of violence at all, or doing things like this then it most definitely has a bearing on the incident, just like anybody being prosecuted with a history of anything criminal.

what other solutions? there are like 30 bikers around your car fukking with you and taking up the highway. you have your family including a 2 year old in the car. one looks like he's trying to make you stop(for whatever reasons he was braking on the SUV which is arguable). you mean to tell me you're going to get out after you just bumped one of the bikers from the back, or sit there negotiating with them somehow? i mean if you're going to make ecuses for them then by all means say what he should've done that most people wouldn't have felt threatened by doing, or possibly putting his family in danger.

sounds like you're a biker...since that shit is unacceptable on a public highway.

[GOBB]

The wife of the paralyzed biker said he got off his bike and came to the aid of the biker (who brake checked) after SUV rammed into him. No way the driver doesnt face any charges if this was the case.

[HardwoodLegend]

umm they were surrounding the car and kicking it and slashing at the tires. and threatening the people in the car, from the moment the fender bender happened.

I get that, but I'm saying there's no guarantee that they would have violently assaulted him.

Again, I get why the driver was scared and reacted the way he did, but it could have been just a show of intimidation and wanting to leave him stranded there. They had plenty of time to start bashing at the windows if they wanted, but their body language didn't indicate they were in a hurry to get him physically like they were later.

[-p.tiddy-]

yes we at ISH are not equipped to say weather or not what the driver did was justified

in order to make that call we need to know exactly what was being said and done to him and his car while stopped...how aggressive they were being, did anyone pull out a knife?, etc

[MavsSuperFan]

The wife of the paralyzed biker said he got off his bike and came to the aid of the biker (who brake checked) after SUV rammed into him. No way the driver doesnt face any charges if this was the case.
Even if that was the case (and you have to completely trust his wife's version of events). I have read that they were kicking his car, and slashing at his tires and threatening him. It would be unreasonable to expect him to stay in that situation. I dont think that he did anything wrong by running away at that point.

If the wife wants to sue anyone, she should sue the person who decided to purposefully break check the suv which started this whole mess.

[MavsSuperFan]

I get that, but I'm saying there's no guarantee that they would have violently assaulted him.

Again, I get why the driver was scared and reacted the way he did, but it could have been just a show of intimidation and wanting to leave him stranded there. They had plenty of time to start bashing at the windows if they wanted, but their body language didn't indicate they were in a hurry to get him physically like they were later.
Yeah I still dont think the bikers are good people in your scenario and have very little sympathy for them.

[HardwoodLegend]

If the wife wants to sue anyone, she should sue the person who decided to purposefully break check the suv which started this whole mess.

The brake checker wasn't in the right, but I hope we would all agree that if you're in the car with your wife and daughter surrounded by bikers.. you shouldn't go bumping them in the first place. Why would you even provoke the possibility of escalating the situation?

His idiocy endangered his family.

[MavsSuperFan]

yes we at ISH are not equipped to say weather or not what the driver did was justified

in order to make that call we need to know exactly what was being said and done to him and his car while stopped...how aggressive they were being, did anyone pull out a knife?, etc
I am just saying from the video, and stuff I have read about it, I wouldnt convict the suv driver if I was on the jury.

[MavsSuperFan]

The brake checker wasn't in the right, but I hope we would all agree that if you're in the car with your The brake checker wasn't in the right wife and daughter surrounded by bikers.. you shouldn't go bumping them in the first place. Why would you even provoke the possibility of escalating the situation?

His idiocy endangered his family.
Are you suggesting he purposefully wanted to bump Christopher Cruz's bike?
He did not provoke him. Normal people don't expect someone to ride up from behind you, then cut in front of you, then brake check you on a freeway.

He must have been breaking at the time of the fender bump, because if he wasnt christopher cruz would have gotten seriously injured.

Watch the video again man. They were break checking him purposefully to clear out the high way.


The brake checker wasn't in the right, but I hope we would all agree that if you're in the car with your The brake checker wasn't in the right
I think he was 100% wrong

EDIT: just to be clear I dont think he wanted to bump the biker. You claiming that he made the idiotic decision to do so is inaccurate, because it wasnt a decision he made.

[GOBB]

Even if that was the case (and you have to completely trust his wife's version of events). I have read that they were kicking his car, and slashing at his tires and threatening him. It would be unreasonable to expect him to stay in that situation. I dont think that he did anything wrong by running away at that point.

If the wife wants to sue anyone, she should sue the person who decided to purposefully break check the suv which started this whole mess.

You keep claiming his tires were slashed. Watch the video and tell me where the tires are slashed at. At the end of the video both tires on the drivers are do not appear to be flat, uneven or any signs they were sliced at. And the wife account will be supported by other riders. 3 sides to a story, the driver, the bikers and the truth.

[HardwoodLegend]

Are you suggesting he purposefully wanted to bump Christopher Cruz's bike?
He did not provoke him. Normal people don't expect someone to ride up from behind you, then cut in front of you, then brake check you on a freeway.

He must have been breaking at the time of the fender bump, because if he wasnt christopher cruz would have gotten seriously injured.

Watch the video again man. They were break checking him purposefully to clear out the high way.

I watched the vid. He had ample time to not hit the bike.

I want to repeat that I'm not taking the biker's side in this situation. Everyone made mistakes that could have avoided this entire fiasco.

[MavsSuperFan]

You keep claiming his tires were slashed. Watch the video and tell me where the tires are slashed at. At the end of the video both tires on the drivers are do not appear to be flat, uneven or any signs they were sliced at. And the wife account will be supported by other riders. 3 sides to a story, the driver, the bikers and the truth.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cops-hunt-bikers-wanted-wild-upper-manhattan-attack-article-1.1472419

Police said Lien initially stopped after the accident, but several angry bikers began to bash his car with their helmets and slash his tires before he fled.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cops-hunt-bikers-wanted-wild-upper-manhattan-attack-article-1.1472419#ixzz2gaGsk7EC

According to the cops

Edit: also slashing tires isnt as easy as hollywood makes it out to be. Tire rubber is really thick , some modern tires can automatically seal up small punctures. There still should be evidence though. Eg. marks on the tires

[MavsSuperFan]

I watched the vid. He had ample time to not hit the bike.

I want to repeat that I'm not taking the biker's side in this situation. Everyone made mistakes that could have avoided this entire fiasco.
I am sorry but if you purposefully break check people, and get pissed because of a fender bender you're a douche. If you dont want a fender bender dont break check people on purpose.

So you dont think he was breaking at the time of the fender bender?

[rezznor]

i blame dmx and the ruff ryders anthem

[rezznor]

I am sorry but if you purposefully break check people, and get pissed because of a fender bender you're a douche. If you dont want a fender bender dont break check people on purpose.

So you dont think he was breaking at the time of the fender bender?
exactly....

[Godzuki]

The wife of the paralyzed biker said he got off his bike and came to the aid of the biker (who brake checked) after SUV rammed into him. No way the driver doesnt face any charges if this was the case.


but thats the wife. does she know any better than we do from watching the video? and isn't she a bit bias with an agenda in saying that? i don't really believe that altho its possible so i'm not discounting it either.

[-p.tiddy-]

can the paralyzed biker even speak right now to tell his side of the story?

his wife probably doesn't know any more than we do...

[HardwoodLegend]

I am sorry but if you purposefully break check people, and get pissed because of a fender bender you're a douche. If you dont want a fender bender dont break check people on purpose.

So you dont think he was breaking at the time of the fender bender?

Of course the biker's a douche, but the driver probably had a lot of pride to begin with and was frustrated at being slowed down.

He could have made a better effort to slow down and just let them pass. Cars have randomly halted in front of me a lot on the freeway, and I have never hit them.

[Godzuki]

I watched the vid. He had ample time to not hit the bike.

I want to repeat that I'm not taking the biker's side in this situation. Everyone made mistakes that could have avoided this entire fiasco.


yeah but if you're the driver with a motorcycle gang around you, and they're 'brake checking' you which most people have no idea bikers do that to get open highway which i just learned by reading here....it looks a lot like they're trying to make you stop so they can do whatever. its just a very threatening situation for a man and his family to be in imo. i figure the last thing you want to do is stop with 30 bikers around you that are messing with you for whatever reason.

i mean realistically i can't see how people can blame him with so many unknown variables, and the motorcyclists were clearly in the wrong in how they all swarmed around that car to begin with, when they very could've easily just passed him.

[GOBB]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cops-hunt-bikers-wanted-wild-upper-manhattan-attack-article-1.1472419


According to the cops

Edit: also slashing tires isnt as easy as hollywood makes it out to be. Tire rubber is really thick , some modern tires can automatically seal up small punctures. There still should be evidence though. Eg. marks on the tires

Police werent there so where are these statements coming from?

[SCREWstonRockets]

Police werent there so where are these statements coming from?
Maybe they saw tire slashes on the car upon investigating?

[HardwoodLegend]

yeah but if you're the driver with a motorcycle gang around you, and they're 'brake checking' you which most people have no idea bikers do that to get open highway which i just learned by reading here....it looks a lot like they're trying to make you stop so they can do whatever. its just a very threatening situation for a man and his family to be in imo. i figure the last thing you want to do is stop with 30 bikers around you that are messing with you for whatever reason.

i mean realistically i can't see how people can blame him with so many unknown variables, and the motorcyclists were clearly in the wrong in how they all swarmed around that car to begin with, when they very could've easily just passed him.

The bikers weren't messing with him. They were passing by with one of them brake checking to get the clear path. It's not like all of them were focused from the very beginning of the vid to swarm him. That's originally what I thought they were doing.

[Godzuki]

The brake checker wasn't in the right, but I hope we would all agree that if you're in the car with your wife and daughter surrounded by bikers.. you shouldn't go bumping them in the first place. Why would you even provoke the possibility of escalating the situation?

His idiocy endangered his family.


because to YOU in the car it looks like they're trying to make you slow down or stop so they can do whatever. which at that point puts you at their mercy. at least if you're still moving they can't pull you out or smash your windows/tires and make you commpletely defenseless.

most people don't know motorcylists brake check for open highway, and i'm sure this guy didn't either. i'd be thinking this dude is trying to make me stop with a gang of bikers swarming me, fukk that.

[Godzuki]

The bikers weren't messing with him. They were passing by with one of them brake checking to get the clear path. It's not like all of them were focused from the very beginning of the vid to swarm him. That's originally what I thought they were doing.


but they werent' passing him by. they were huddled around that car. even before anything happened they seemed to be all around that car. you mean to tell me those motorcycles couldn't have all sped up past the car and created their open highway without brake checking him? i don't know why, but they seemed to stay around that car for whatever reasons and it looked like they had room up ahead.

[upside24]

****ing disgusting. Wish every last one of the attackers would get what they really deserve. Unfortunately they will probably only get a few of them and they won't do much time unless they have priors.

They need to be castrated, mutilated and burned alive.

[rezznor]

Police werent there so where are these statements coming from?
heard from another report that "witnesses" said they were beating on his car and slashing at the tires before he took off

[Godzuki]

Maybe they saw tire slashes on the car upon investigating?


i think the iniital official statement was wrong. i didn't see the bikers slashing the tires early in that video either but it wasn't easy to see. but they also said the reason the SUV stopped eventually was because his tires were slashed, but the video shows it was because of the traffic. i don't completely buy the police statement of events vs whats evident on the video.

[GOBB]

Maybe they saw tire slashes on the car upon investigating?

Not arguing his tires werent slashed. Its when. You cant tell from the video at any point. Tires could have been slashed when he was stopped in traffic and they started attacking his SUV.

[GOBB]

heard from another report that "witnesses" said they were beating on his car and slashing at the tires before he took off

Ok, then that is all I needed to hear. Thanks :cheers:

[HardwoodLegend]

but they werent' passing him by. they were huddled around that car. even before anything happened they seemed to be all around that car. you mean to tell me those motorcycles couldn't have all sped up past the car and created their open highway without brake checking him? i don't know why, but they seemed to stay around that car for whatever reasons and it looked like they had room up ahead.

I get what you're saying that driver may have been confused, but the riders would have probably simply passed him on the side. What we're seeing in the vid is the very front of the gang, so that's why it appears they were "huddled" around.

No one can say for sure, but I think it was an avoidable situation if he had just stopped for the douche biker. Maybe they were targetting him from the beginning for no reason, who knows... but the other bikers up ahead seemed to not be paying extra attention to him.

[GOBB]

but they werent' passing him by. they were huddled around that car. even before anything happened they seemed to be all around that car. you mean to tell me those motorcycles couldn't have all sped up past the car and created their open highway without brake checking him? i don't know why, but they seemed to stay around that car for whatever reasons and it looked like they had room up ahead.

The start of the video shows the SUV driving with the pack. The pack didnt want the SUV with them. What do you mean speed up? There were bikers behind the SUV. In order to get them ahead they need to slow down traffic. Seems they did that except the one SUV wasnt being slowed down which is why the one biker tried to slow him down.

Not defending the bikers or this tactic they do. Just by that video that SUV could appear to be one that said you're not going to slow me down like other vehicles. Possibility because I'm sure other vehicles have done this. Bikers try to take over road and you say f*ck them. Refuse to believe the driver had no idea what was happneing. Just another day on the highway.

[rezznor]

by the way, that same group of bikers had over 200 complaints that morning.

[HardwoodLegend]

by the way, that same group of bikers had over 200 complaints that morning.

The bikers were clearly knuckleheads, but those were 200 situations that were avoided by the drivers simply braking and letting them pass.

I really think the Range Rover driver's pride got the better of him at the expense of his family's safety.

[upside24]

by the way, that same group of bikers had over 200 complaints that morning.
Good thing the cops showed up before anything terrible happened....like a man nearly being beaten to death in front of his family by a bunch of dumb****s who think 20+ vs 1 makes them badasses.

[rezznor]

The bikers were clearly knuckleheads, but those were 200 situations that were avoided by the drivers simply braking and letting them pass.

I really think the Range Rover driver's pride got the better of him at the expense of his family's safety.
his pride? what are u talking about? the idiot swerved in front of him and brake checked him before he could stop. what does pride have anything to with it? the suv driver even stopped after the fender bender, he didnt take off until after he was starting to get menaced.

[rezznor]

Good thing the cops showed up before anything terrible happened....like a man nearly being beaten to death in front of his family by a bunch of dumb****s who think 20+ vs 1 makes them badasses.
in the cop's defense they had arrested 15 bikers that day and impounded another 50+ bikes. all part if the same stunting group. there were just too many of them, and there were probably several groups spread around

[HardwoodLegend]

his pride? what are u talking about? the idiot swerved in front of him and brake checked him before he could stop. what does pride have anything to with it? the suv driver even stopped after the fender bender, he didnt take off until after he was starting to get menaced.

His pride in that he didn't want to let them pass. He could have easily avoided contact with that first idiot. I've had more abrupt halts I didn't see coming in front of me on the freeway than that.

[rezznor]

His pride in that he didn't want to let them pass. He could have easily avoided contact with that first idiot. I've had more abrupt halts I didn't see coming in front of me on the freeway than that.
i don't see how he was not letting them pass. he wasn't occupying several lanes, he was in one and he wasn't going particularly fast either. if anything, it was those idiots that were holding up traffic.

[Godzuki]

The start of the video shows the SUV driving with the pack. The pack didnt want the SUV with them. What do you mean speed up? There were bikers behind the SUV. In order to get them ahead they need to slow down traffic. Seems they did that except the one SUV wasnt being slowed down which is why the one biker tried to slow him down.

Not defending the bikers or this tactic they do. Just by that video that SUV could appear to be one that said you're not going to slow me down like other vehicles. Possibility because I'm sure other vehicles have done this. Bikers try to take over road and you say f*ck them. Refuse to believe the driver had no idea what was happneing. Just another day on the highway.


i just rewatched it and most of them were just passing the SUV early on, and there is clearly quite a bit of open room ahead. i was wrong about them hanging around the SUV tho.

but that guy brake checking him was completely unnecessary. there was no real point to that, and i didn't see the SUV speeding up to be ahead of them or not let them by, more than the guy who brake checked being a dikk from what i'm looking at. all of them could've very easily drove by the side of the SUV and passed it, and most were doing just that, with plenty of space ahead of the SUV.

i don't see any excuse for that brake check that guy did.

[Godzuki]

His pride in that he didn't want to let them pass. He could have easily avoided contact with that first idiot. I've had more abrupt halts I didn't see coming in front of me on the freeway than that.


its up to the motorcycle to avoid contact with cars a lot bigger than they are. there is just no excuse for him brake checking that SUV after just watching it again. i can't see how that was necessary whatsoever, in any way....

[rezznor]

i just rewatched it and most of them were just passing the SUV early on, and there is clearly quite a bit of open room ahead. i was wrong about them hanging around the SUV tho.

but that guy brake checking him was completely unnecessary. there was no real point to that, and i didn't see the SUV speeding up to be ahead of them or not let them by, more than the guy who brake checked being a dikk from what i'm looking at. all of them could've very easily drove by the side of the SUV and passed it, and most were doing just that, with plenty of space ahead of the SUV.

i don't see any excuse for that brake check that guy did.

yup. and that's why he was charged. he instigated the entire thing. the suv driver wasn't doing anything wrong. there were no indications of "road rage" or challenging the bikers at all on his part, at least not on tape.

[rezznor]

the facebook page "justice for jay mezee" kind of backfired on them.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-For-Jay-Meezee/411664345601619

[DonDadda59]

What type of Mad Max shit is this? :wtf:


I wonder if by law this is justified cause to shoot.


Times like this I wish gun laws were loose in NY. Could have opened fire on those motorcyclists.

Him pulling out a gun would've guaranteed he would've been killed, maybe even his family. It's not like he would be defending himself against one guy or even a handful. It was like a swarm of killer bees chasing him. I guarantee at least a couple of them were strapped. A wild west shootout on the west side highway or in Washington Heights would've made matters 100x worse. No way that scenario ends well for anyone involved.

Even if he had a Walter White-esque M60 rig set up in his trunk, no way he gets out alive if guns are introduced.

[rezznor]

the suv driver did call the police


Police said Lien had called 911 to report the bikers were driving erratically.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/01/nypd-suspects-sought-in-attack-on-suv-driver/

[HoopsFanNumero1]

His wife wants us to think this guy was the victim:

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2013/10/02/1226731/282610-jay-meezee.jpg

Really?

[rezznor]

His wife wants us to think this guy was the victim:

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2013/10/02/1226731/282610-jay-meezee.jpg

Really?
yup

[QUOTE]Though Mieses is a Massachusetts resident, he has never had a valid Massachusetts driver

[MavsSuperFan]

The start of the video shows the SUV driving with the pack. The pack didnt want the SUV with them. What do you mean speed up? There were bikers behind the SUV. In order to get them ahead they need to slow down traffic. Seems they did that except the one SUV wasnt being slowed down which is why the one biker tried to slow him down.

Not defending the bikers or this tactic they do. Just by that video that SUV could appear to be one that said you're not going to slow me down like other vehicles. Possibility because I'm sure other vehicles have done this. Bikers try to take over road and you say f*ck them. Refuse to believe the driver had no idea what was happneing. Just another day on the highway.
Why do you believe bikers are justified in taking control of the highway?

[MavsSuperFan]

The bikers were clearly knuckleheads, but those were 200 situations that were avoided by the drivers simply braking and letting them pass.

I really think the Range Rover driver's pride got the better of him at the expense of his family's safety.
I think he just didnt realize Christopher Cruz was brake checking him until it was too late to break in time, not to bump into Cruz. Brake checking is illegal by the way.

He might have been looking in the rear view mirror, side mirrors, or around him at all the bikes surrounding him.

[MavsSuperFan]

His pride in that he didn't want to let them pass. He could have easily avoided contact with that first idiot. I've had more abrupt halts I didn't see coming in front of me on the freeway than that.
Maybe he is not as good of a driver as you.
Maybe he was somewhat focused on the mass of bikes behind him and around him.
The idea that a computer nerd would challenge 30+ bikers is stupid.

[MavsSuperFan]

The bikers weren't messing with him. They were passing by with one of them brake checking to get the clear path. It's not like all of them were focused from the very beginning of the vid to swarm him. That's originally what I thought they were doing.
...
If you brake check someone and they crash into you, its 100% your fault.

[97 bulls]

When did the driver In the Range Rover call the poIice? I find it hard to believe it took them more than seven minutes to respond.

[nathanjizzle]

its well known by people who have encountered these thugcycle gangs that they block the road and slow down so cars cant pass them, and if a car tries to and does pass them they speed up, get infront of the car and slow down again. they were antagonizing this guy and when he bumped the biker that was brake checking him they swarmed his car and he was in danger at that point with his wife and his infant child. The guy is a graduate from columbia and you guys believe he is the one that started it over some low life bikers with criminal history?

[rezznor]

When did the driver In the Range Rover call the poIice? I find it hard to believe it took them more than seven minutes to respond.
he called them before the initial hit, to report the dangerous driving of the motorcycles, and he called them again during the chase. remember that the cops already had 200 calls complaining about the bikers that day, so the cops were probably a bit overwhelmed.

[MavsSuperFan]

the facebook page "justice for jay mezee" kind of backfired on them.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-For-Jay-Meezee/411664345601619
Honestly if what they say about him is true and in this situation he was just going to help Christopher Cruz, then I hope his family has enough sense to sue the bikers that were initially bashing the suv, slashing at the tires and threatening the family. Those guys created the situation that caused his injuries.

Its really his only hope, I dont think he has a case against Lien.

[rezznor]

Honestly if what they say about him is true and in this situation he was just going to help Christopher Cruz, then I hope his family has enough sense to sue the bikers that were initially bashing the suv, slashing at the tires and threatening the family. Those guys created the situation that caused his injuries.

Its really his only hope, I dont think he has a case against Lien.


u know they are gonna sue lien, b/c he has money. he's a banker and also was a founder in a billion dollar start-up. the bikers were all just a bunch of punks, lien probably has more net worth then them all combined

[MavsSuperFan]

When did the driver In the Range Rover call the poIice? I find it hard to believe it took them more than seven minutes to respond.
http://nypost.com/2012/09/20/nypd-response-to-crime-calls-slows-to-9-minutes/
[QUOTE]Crime may be at near record-low levels, but it took cops an average of 9.1 minutes last year to respond to crimes in progress

[HardwoodLegend]

Maybe he is not as good of a driver as you.
Maybe he was somewhat focused on the mass of bikes behind him and around him.
The idea that a computer nerd would challenge 30+ bikers is stupid.

You talk like you know the guy. It may be far-fetched, but he could be the type that tries to appear heroic in front of his wife. In cases of road rage, many people feel a sense of protection and guardedness when in their vehicles and freely show aggression to anyone who pisses them off.

[RedBlackAttack]

When did the driver In the Range Rover call the poIice? I find it hard to believe it took them more than seven minutes to respond.
It's noted in several of the articles. He called the police during the incident. In NYC, it can take a while for police to respond, especially to something on a highway or throughway with a lot of traffic to get past.

[HardwoodLegend]

...
If you brake check someone and they crash into you, its 100% your fault.

Never said it wasn't the biker's fault. I simply believe there was a way for the Range Rover driver to avoid hitting him.

That biker probably brake-checked a lot of the people who were part of the 200 complaints.

[MavsSuperFan]

u know they are gonna sue lien, b/c he has money. he's a banker and also was a founder in a billion dollar start-up. the bikers were all just a bunch of punks, lien probably has more net worth then them all combined
Ya but I dont see how they will get anything. If they weren't dumb enough to post the video online, maybe, but the video is crystal clear about how the situation started, And Lien can probably hire the better lawyer.

I dont think the police will even charge Lien.

[rezznor]

You talk like you know the guy. It may be far-fetched, but he could be the type that tries to appear heroic in front of his wife. In cases of road rage, many people feel a sense of protection and guardedness when in their vehicles and freely show aggression to anyone who pisses them off.
you are right, it is far fetched. he wasn't trying to be some vigilante hero...he called the cops several times.

[HardwoodLegend]

you are right, it is far fetched. he wasn't trying to be some vigilante hero...he called the cops several times.

Refusing to slow down all the way and getting frustrated that someone is brake-checking you equates to being "some vigilante hero"?

[GOBB]

Why do you believe bikers are justified in taking control of the highway?

They are not justified in taking over the highway but at the same token I'm not going to risk my families lives trying to maneuver around them. I proceed with caution all the while calling them assholes for which they are.

I think they should be fined heavy and pts given (not taken away like most traffic violations).

[MavsSuperFan]

Never said it wasn't the biker's fault. I simply believe there was a way for the Range Rover driver to avoid hitting him.

That biker probably brake-checked a lot of the people who were part of the 200 complaints.
Maybe, but imo Lien hitting Cruz was an accident, unnecessarily caused by Cruz, who sped up from behind Lien, cut in front of Lien and started braking for no reason. I dont believe a computer nerd hits a biker surrounded by 30+ of his biker friends on purpose. Lien was probably scared shitless.

He didn't hit him because of his pride.

[MavsSuperFan]

Refusing to slow down all the way and getting frustrated that someone is brake-checking you equates to being "some vigilante hero"?
watch the beginning of the video, they came up from behind him. he probably had no idea he was about to get brake checked, 1 second its all clear in front of him, next second Cruz cuts in front of him and starts braking for no reason.

Maybe he was looking in the rear view mirror for a second, because no normal person would be braking in front of him.

And he did slow down. Cruz would be dead right now if he didnt.

Edit: he might even have been looking out the side in an attempt to merge off the highway and on to the shoulder to allow the bikers to pass.

[MavsSuperFan]

You talk like you know the guy. It may be far-fetched, but he could be the type that tries to appear heroic in front of his wife. In cases of road rage, many people feel a sense of protection and guardedness when in their vehicles and freely show aggression to anyone who pisses them off.
:biggums: :biggums:
:lol
If you are going to be this illogical lets just stop.

I think its much more likely. that he was looking to merge out of the center lane and eventually on to the shoulder of the road and hit cruz because when cruz brake checked him he wasn't completely focused on cruz.

In your scenario this computer nerd (google his profession) wants to fight 30+ bikers.

[HardwoodLegend]

watch the beginning of the video, they came up from behind him. he probably had no idea he was about to get brake checked, 1 second its all clear in front of him, next second Cruz cuts in front of him and starts braking for no reason.

Maybe he was looking in the rear view mirror for a second, because no normal person would be braking in front of him.

And he did slow down. Cruz would be dead right now if he didnt.

Edit: he might even have been looking out the side in an attempt to merge off the highway and on to the shoulder to allow the bikers to pass.

Yeah, you're probably right.

I guess he really was boxed in an impossible predicament to get out of. That sucks.

Like I said, I don't fault him for driving off after coming to stop. He had reason to be fearful. I wish I knew the truth of what the bikers' intentions were though. They could have easily started banging his windows right there if they wanted his head.

[HardwoodLegend]

In your scenario this computer nerd (google his profession) wants to fight 30+ bikers.

I'm not saying he wanted to fight them.

He could have wanted to send a little message and deal some frustration he was feeling back to the biker by tapping his bike. I doubt he wanted things to escalate too far. It's similar to someone who nudges someone standing in their way. They're not necessarily wanting to fight.

[rezznor]

Refusing to slow down all the way and getting frustrated that someone is brake-checking you equates to being "some vigilante hero"?
Where does it appear that he refused to slow down and was in some sort of macho dick waving competition with the bikers? Did you not watch the video? There are open lanes on Both sides for them to pass. Nobody had trouble passing him. I really don't understand why you are making inane excuses for those idiots.

[HardwoodLegend]

Where does it appear that he refused to slow down and was in some sort of macho dick waving competition with the bikers? Did you not watch the video? There are open lanes on Both sides for them to pass. Nobody had trouble passing him. I really don't understand why you are making inane excuses for those idiots.

I'm not making excuses for them.

I get the feeling Lien intended to make slight contact with the bike.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

http://i.imgur.com/52JHoP1.jpg
Check the front passenger side wheel.. to those saying there is no evidence of tire slashing. Might have fallen off in an unrelated incident though.

[9erempiree]

Ever heard of run flat tires?

For those saying the tires couldn't be slashed.

[Andrew Wiggins]

I'm not making excuses for them.

I get the feeling Lien intended to make slight contact with the bike.

my goodness, just shut the hell up :lol

[HardwoodLegend]

my goodness, just shut the hell up :lol

Dude has a Napoleon Complex and was scared of being punked in front of his wife, so he decided to passive aggresively respond and then play it off.

I guarantee that's what happened.

[GOBB]

Check the front passenger side wheel.. to those saying there is no evidence of tire slashing. Might have fallen off in an unrelated incident though.


Who said there was no evidence of tires slashed?


Ever heard of run flat tires?

For those saying the tires couldn't be slashed.

Who said tires couldnt be slashed?

[OhNoTimNoSho]

I know every discussion has to have those douches that support the opposite of whats obviously the truth but you guys are gonna look extra douchey today. Shame on you saying a dude with his family in the car wanted to get all tough and start bumping these dudes on purpose. That goes against the instinct of anyone with any common sense.
read below

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6816/i4j2.png

[9erempiree]

Who said there was no evidence of tires slashed?



Who said tires couldnt be slashed?

I was addressing those that said the tires couldn't be slashed because the SUV was still moving.

[GOBB]

Dude has a Napoleon Complex and was scared of being punked in front of his wife, so he decided to passive aggresively respond and then play it off.

I guarantee that's what happened.

You dont even know the guy. Shut up already.

[Jameerthefear]

He deserved it (the man getting ran over)

[GOBB]

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6816/i4j2.png

I know people who live in NY and take that freeway daily. They've never heard of biker mobs doing what he suggested. That part is baloney. Dont stop truckers, they want to steal your cargo!

[boozehound]

Dude has a Napoleon Complex and was scared of being punked in front of his wife, so he decided to passive aggresively respond and then play it off.

I guarantee that's what happened.
are you really this ****ing stupid?

[OhNoTimNoSho]

I know people who live in NY and take that freeway daily. They've never heard of biker mobs doing what he suggested. That part is baloney. Dont stop truckers, they want to steal your cargo!
I dont know man, I'm inclined to believe the random facebook post. It fits my agenda in this situation.

[HardwoodLegend]

are you really this ****ing stupid?

Probably.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Honestly though, how stupid do you have to be to defend the bikers in this situation? I want answers.

I don't understand how anybody, anywhere can watch that video and then come to the conclusion that somehow the man driving his car has any fault in this situation.

Only on ISH, I swear to God, only on ISH.

[HardwoodLegend]

Honestly though, how stupid do you have to be to defend the bikers in this situation? I want answers.

I don't understand how anybody, anywhere can watch that video and then come to the conclusion that somehow the man driving his car has any fault in this situation.

Only on ISH, I swear to God, only on ISH.

Who defended the bikers?

[andremiller07]

Nothing sweeter when clowns get made piss and now moan about it, one of there "boys" will never walk again or ride a bike to put other people at risk cause they are idiots sometimes justice is served very nicely.

[GOBB]

Why did he get off freeway? Should have stayed on it. Last thing you do is get off in NY of all places.

[bluechox2]

he has a gps in the range rover right, just say police station and stop in front of it.

[Jameerthefear]

Dude has a Napoleon Complex and was scared of being punked in front of his wife, so he decided to passive aggresively respond and then play it off.

I guarantee that's what happened.
i hope ur trolling

[GOBB]

he has a gps in the range rover right, just say police station and stop in front of it.

What? :oldlol:

[bluechox2]

What? :oldlol:
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[rezznor]

Why did he get off freeway? Should have stayed on it. Last thing you do is get off in NY of all places.
he had no tires left

[Just2McFly]

Old boy is paralyzed? Damn that's tough fam. Gotta feel for him. Everyone caught a L on this one.

[KNOW1EDGE]

LOL @ people pointing out the SUV drivers "mistakes"

A crew of goons broke like a hundred different laws and committed multiple felonies but ISH throws salt only innocent person in the whole situation.

[GOBB]

he had no tires left

Ok.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

LOL @ people pointing out the SUV drivers "mistakes"

A crew of goons broke like a hundred different laws and committed multiple felonies but ISH throws salt only innocent person in the whole situation.

Holy shit. This so much. People here dissecting every little mistake the SUV drive made when it's not so easy to think while being chased by a few dozen bikers and worrying for your own and your family's safety.

[MavsSuperFan]

Yeah, you're probably right.

I guess he really was boxed in an impossible predicament to get out of. That sucks.

Like I said, I don't fault him for driving off after coming to stop. He had reason to be fearful. I wish I knew the truth of what the bikers' intentions were though. They could have easily started banging his windows right there if they wanted his head.
Lets give the bikers every benefit of the doubt.
In their best case scenario this is what they were thinking.

"we are so important, lets inconvenience everyone else on the freeway so that we can ride alone on the freeway."

"oh look an SUV in front of us, lets cut in front of him and brake check him for no reason. We are important to society so it justified that we take control of the highways."

"HOLY **** DID THIS ASSHOLE JUST HIT MY FRIEND, WTF COULDNT HE SEE MY FRIEND BRAKE CHECKING HIM FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. FVCK HIM I'M GOING TO ATTACK HIS CAR AND THREATEN HIM."

"OMG, HE JUST RAN OVER ANOTHER FRIEND OF MINE, SO UNPROVOKED, WE WERE JUST KICKING HIS CAR AND SLASHING HIS TIRES AND THREATENING HIM, how unreasonable of him. Lets go beat him and slash his face and back"

In the absolutely best case scenario for the bikers, the are douchebags and a threat to society. Yet half of ISH identifies with them.

[MavsSuperFan]

I'm not making excuses for them.

I get the feeling Lien intended to make slight contact with the bike.

Dude has a Napoleon Complex and was scared of being punked in front of his wife, so he decided to passive aggresively respond and then play it off.

I guarantee that's what happened.

:biggums:
:lol
You accuse me of pretending to know what was in Lien's mind when I said he must have been scared, then you come back with these gems :oldlol:

For the record by the time you marry a girl you hopefully are ready to share you vulnerabilities with her, and dont need to pretend to be what you're not.


He deserved it (the man getting ran over)
according to his family he was only attending to Cruz (biker in the fender bender)

But I think its clear Mieses has no case against Lien. If his family isnt lying and he wasnt attacking the SUV, he might be entitled to suing his friends if it turns out he needs the money to cover the lifetime of medical care he will require from now on.

[Patrick Chewing]

The wife of the paralyzed biker said he got off his bike and came to the aid of the biker (who brake checked) after SUV rammed into him. No way the driver doesnt face any charges if this was the case.


Don't be dumb. This is how insurance scams are done. In this case, these clowns use it just to incite violence. The biker in the front clearly slowed down on purpose to allow himself to get hit. After he gets hit the car stops. It's not like the SUV continues. Once all these other clowns realize that their buddy is down on the ground, they begin to assault the vehicle. That's when the SUV driver starts fearing for his life if all of a sudden you have a pack of animals slashing your tires and breaking windows. Mind you, he had his baby in the backseat. There is no possible scenario here in which the driver of the SUV is at fault.


The only fault possible is that he didn't run over more of these scumbags.

[The Iron Fist]

Road rage while on a bike is common because other motorist and pedestrians put bikers life at risk daily. I have executed things like that on other motorist regardless of who is in the vehicle especially if I could have been severely injured or killed. It isnt right but those are extreme cases.
BS. Bikers put their own lives on the line daily. You choose to ride. You choose to ride in between cars at a high rate of speed. You choose put your self in dangerous positions the moment you sit on that bike. Don't blame everyone else for what you choose.

[tomtucker]

don

[9erempiree]

Bikers have a short fuse and they are to blame for putting their lives at risk. I am all for sharing the road because I cycle in my city and I don't think cars own the road but that's not an excuse for these bikers.

What pisses me off is when these bikers are driving in between lanes where there are traffic jams to get through. I don't mind they do that but don't get mad if two cars are hugging the lines and you can't get through.

[GOBB]

I was tripping trying to find a little fault with the driver. I would have reacted the same way and them some. Unfortunate dude got ran over but that is the price you pay for harassing someone with a family/2yr old. Hopefully they learned their lesson.

[andremiller07]

I was tripping trying to find a little fault with the driver. I would have reacted the same way and them some. Unfortunate dude got ran over but that is the price you pay for harassing someone with a family/2yr old. Hopefully they learned their lesson.
One of them from the waist down learn their lesson but I doubt the dumbass from the waist up learnt anything.

[Scholar]

Yeah, I ride a sport bike and I'm still on the driver's side. Btw, how is it possible that the guy who got ran over was tending to the fallen jackass, yet the jackass who fell wasn't ran over?
Me thinks dude's family is full of bullshit. I hate to judge but the dude is a mid- to late-30 yr old who is still an "aspiring rapper" and he obviously likes to go on group rides with known assholes. I'm pretty sure he got what was coming to him. It just so happens this is national news and the family just want their son story heard. "My husband was just helping his friend who miraculously didn't get ran over at all when the SUV driver peeled off in fear of his family's safety! I want the driver to pay for my husband's terrible lifestyle choices that clearly eventually caught up to him when he agreed to go on yet another moronic sojourn with a bunch of morons who give decent motorcyclists a bad name! It's not my husband's fault he got ran over while most likely trying to join in on the assault!"

[GOBB]

Yeah, I ride a sport bike and I'm still on the driver's side. Btw, how is it possible that the guy who got ran over was tending to the fallen jackass, yet the jackass who fell wasn't ran over?
Me thinks dude's family is full of bullshit. I hate to judge but the dude is a mid- to late-30 yr old who is still an "aspiring rapper" and he obviously likes to go on group rides with known assholes. I'm pretty sure he got what was coming to him. It just so happens this is national news and the family just want their son story heard. "My husband was just helping his friend who miraculously didn't get ran over at all when the SUV driver peeled off in fear of his family's safety! I want the driver to pay for my husband's terrible lifestyle choices that clearly eventually caught up to him when he agreed to go on yet another moronic sojourn with a bunch of morons who give decent motorcyclists a bad name! It's not my husband's fault he got ran over while most likely trying to join in on the assault!"

Pretty much. But that is a typical mom reaction tho. So not surprised.

[rezznor]

Yeah, I ride a sport bike and I'm still on the driver's side. Btw, how is it possible that the guy who got ran over was tending to the fallen jackass, yet the jackass who fell wasn't ran over?
Me thinks dude's family is full of bullshit. I hate to judge but the dude is a mid- to late-30 yr old who is still an "aspiring rapper" and he obviously likes to go on group rides with known assholes. I'm pretty sure he got what was coming to him. It just so happens this is national news and the family just want their son story heard. "My husband was just helping his friend who miraculously didn't get ran over at all when the SUV driver peeled off in fear of his family's safety! I want the driver to pay for my husband's terrible lifestyle choices that clearly eventually caught up to him when he agreed to go on yet another moronic sojourn with a bunch of morons who give decent motorcyclists a bad name! It's not my husband's fault he got ran over while most likely trying to join in on the assault!"
i also love how some of the riders are now going on tv saying they were just out for a leisurely ride, and that the suv driver was a maniac...um yeah...we saw videos of your "leisurely" ride you idiot...breaking every traffic law out there and garnering 200 complaints. sorry, your spin ain't working

[gts]

main suspect ID'd, person who posted video to the net has been found and the unedited version of video has been taken as evidence

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/04/us/bikers-attack-video/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[-p.tiddy-]

i also love how some of the riders are now going on tv saying they were just out for a leisurely ride, and that the suv driver was a maniac...um yeah...we saw videos of your "leisurely" ride you idiot...breaking every traffic law out there and garnering 200 complaints. sorry, your spin ain't working
there were 200 of them...I have to imagine that at least SOME of them are disgusted by what happened and perhaps actually were just out for a "leisure ride"

I don't imagine that all 200 are heartless fcks

[hateraid]

Yeah, I ride a sport bike and I'm still on the driver's side. Btw, how is it possible that the guy who got ran over was tending to the fallen jackass, yet the jackass who fell wasn't ran over?
Me thinks dude's family is full of bullshit. I hate to judge but the dude is a mid- to late-30 yr old who is still an "aspiring rapper" and he obviously likes to go on group rides with known assholes. I'm pretty sure he got what was coming to him. It just so happens this is national news and the family just want their son story heard. "My husband was just helping his friend who miraculously didn't get ran over at all when the SUV driver peeled off in fear of his family's safety! I want the driver to pay for my husband's terrible lifestyle choices that clearly eventually caught up to him when he agreed to go on yet another moronic sojourn with a bunch of morons who give decent motorcyclists a bad name! It's not my husband's fault he got ran over while most likely trying to join in on the assault!"

The guy who got ran over:

[QUOTE]The Lawrence motor*cyclist struck and paralyzed as a desperate SUV driver tried to escape the rage of other bikers in New York on Sunday has a six-page criminal record that began at age 12 with a negligent driving charge and includes jail time for drugs, guns, resisting arrest and other convictions, according to court records.

Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a driver

[-p.tiddy-]

damn, sounds like the world is a bit safer with that guy paralyzed

[Sarcastic]

there were 200 of them...I have to imagine that at least SOME of them are disgusted by what happened and perhaps actually were just out for a "leisure ride"

I don't imagine that all 200 are heartless fcks

Some of them were off duty NYPD.

[paperstreet]

I think the driver had time to stop when the guy brake-checked him and didn't. He could have been annoyed with their behavior and thought "I'll show him to brake check me."

But that is just speculation on my part.

I am not sure he's entirely without blame here.


But those guys were looking for trouble

[Meticode]

I don't wish bad on anyone I don't know the situation about, but the only person the paralyzed gentlemen can blame is himself about his situation. Not the person with the SUV driver, not the bikers that were out there with him, but himself. He took it upon himself to break the law and to hang out with the wrong crowd of people and now he's going to pay the price for it the rest of his life because he probably didn't think it was a big deal.

Grant it, bad things happen to good people. But worse things happen to bad people.