Better Call Saul discussion thread

[HardwoodLegend]

After finishing 'Breaking Bad' recently, I'm having extreme withdrawals and cannot wait for BCS in November.

Gilligan and team are going to ensure that it goes hard and holds down the fort for AMC. I hope Gus Fring and Mike Ehrmantraut both get a good amount of screen time.

[b1imtf]

After finishing 'Breaking Bad' recently, I'm having extreme withdrawals and cannot wait for BCS in November.

Gilligan and team are going to ensure that it goes hard and holds down the fort for AMC. I hope Gus Fring and Mike Ehrmantraut both get a good amount of screen time.
:(

[jamal99]

I don't actually expect much, but looking forward to it nonetheless...

[D-Rose]

Can't wait!

[HardwoodLegend]

Aaron Paul and Bryan Cranston have practically been begging for cameos on the show, and Vince Gilligan said he's planning to bring both of them back somehow. I can see how Jesse would fit since Saul was the one who got his old pal Emilio off back at the beginning of the season, but a Walter appearance seems like it would come off forced. Interested to see how they pull it off.

[Myth]

Aaron Paul and Bryan Cranston have practically been begging for cameos on the show, and Vince Gilligan said he's planning to bring both of them back somehow. I can see how Jesse would fit since Saul was the one who got his old pal Emilio off back at the beginning of the season, but a Walter appearance seems like it would come off forced. Interested to see how they pull it off.

Walter would only make sense as a true cameo in which they cross paths (but no dialogue exchange) and Walt is just a kind pre-cancer version of himself, but that is pretty pointless IMO.

[HardwoodLegend]

Walter would only make sense as a true cameo in which they cross paths (but no dialogue exchange) and Walt is just a kind pre-cancer version of himself, but that is pretty pointless IMO.

What do you think of the possibility of a "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead" version in which 'Better Call Saul' eventually catches up to BrBa in the timeline and shows everything behind-the-scenes from Saul's perspective? Vince Gilligan seemed intrigued by the idea, so I wonder if he'll go ahead with it. Paul and Cranston may have movie careers that have taken off at that point and would prevent them from spending much time on the BCS set though.

[Levity]

i hope the series shows flashes of the future, showing us sauls new life running a cinnabon in the mid west with huell and bill burr as him employees.

[FlagrantOne]

Pretty sure I read it was going to be a prequel with flashes of what happened during and after breaking bad, so seeing Walter and Jesse making cameos seems to make sense. I'll see if I can find a link where it is mentioned its going to be a sequel-prequel hybrid.

Edit: said link http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/11/05/breaking-bad-spinoff-better-call-saul-may-be-a-sequel-prequel-hybrid

[ROCSteady]

I don't see the show being met with much enthusiasm besides BB diehards who still have that void in their entertainment lives. Some will try extra hard to love it just cuz it's from Vince Gilligan and force themselves to see varioous strengths.

I still see it getting good ratings even if people aren't overwhelmed with it on it's own. Viewers will show loyalty because of the creator even if Saul's character gets old and stale. He's better as a side guy, can't see him holding an entire show. They're gunna need awesome support characters for this show to be anything of note

[Myth]

Pretty sure I read it was going to be a prequel with flashes of what happened during and after breaking bad, so seeing Walter and Jesse making cameos seems to make sense. I'll see if I can find a link where it is mentioned its going to be a sequel-prequel hybrid.

Edit: said link http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/11/05/breaking-bad-spinoff-better-call-saul-may-be-a-sequel-prequel-hybrid

Hmmm... interesting.

[HardwoodLegend]

I don't see the show being met with much enthusiasm besides BB diehards who still have that void in their entertainment lives. Some will try extra hard to love it just cuz it's from Vince Gilligan and force themselves to see varioous strengths.

I still see it getting good ratings even if people aren't overwhelmed with it on it's own. Viewers will show loyalty because of the creator even if Saul's character gets old and stale. He's better as a side guy, can't see him holding an entire show. They're gunna need awesome support characters for this show to be anything of note

Odenkirk said that they're going for 70% drama 30% comedy, so it's safe to assume it will be more ensemble-based. It may be called 'Better Call Saul', but I don't think it's going to be him chewing up most of the screen-time and dialogue by himself. Crime and the corruption to cover it up will be the primary character of the show.

When it comes to Vince Gilligan, at least what he's shown when it comes to creating the universe 'Breaking Bad' lives in, it doesn't take much effort to love what he puts out.

[HardwoodLegend]

Jonathan Banks officially joins 'Better Call Saul' as Mike Ehrmantraut.

Hopefully Giancarlo Esposito comes aboard next.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/allenstjohn/2014/01/27/jonathan-banks-to-join-amcs-breaking-bad-prequel-better-call-saul/

http://i.imgur.com/x0xBIb2.jpg

[Myth]

Hopefully Giancarlo Esposito comes aboard next.



That would be awesome, but I don't know if Saul ever met him face to face, so it wouldn't make sense to have him as a significant character.

[HardwoodLegend]

That would be awesome, but I don't know if Saul ever met him face to face, so it wouldn't make sense to have him as a significant character.

They didn't ever meet and Saul didn't even know his name when he connected Walt and Jesse to him, but Mike was recruited by him at the beginning of his drug ring operation.

So I think it could be worked out that he and Mike have a good chunk of scenes together.

[Myth]

They didn't ever meet and Saul didn't even know his name when he connected Walt and Jesse to him, but Mike was recruited by him at the beginning of his drug ring operation.

So I think it could be worked out that he and Mike have a good chunk of scenes together.

It could be done, but I with Saul now as the main character, I have a hard time seeing Gus as too significant. Having him here and there would make more sense IMO, and I would be more than happy to see it.

[Jackass18]

I don't see the show being met with much enthusiasm besides BB diehards who still have that void in their entertainment lives. Some will try extra hard to love it just cuz it's from Vince Gilligan and force themselves to see varioous strengths.

I still see it getting good ratings even if people aren't overwhelmed with it on it's own. Viewers will show loyalty because of the creator even if Saul's character gets old and stale. He's better as a side guy, can't see him holding an entire show. They're gunna need awesome support characters for this show to be anything of note

Why so negative and pessimistic towards it? I bet people said the same things about Frasier.

[Tarik One]

I don't see the show being met with much enthusiasm besides BB diehards who still have that void in their entertainment lives. Some will try extra hard to love it just cuz it's from Vince Gilligan and force themselves to see varioous strengths.

I still see it getting good ratings even if people aren't overwhelmed with it on it's own. Viewers will show loyalty because of the creator even if Saul's character gets old and stale. He's better as a side guy, can't see him holding an entire show. They're gunna need awesome support characters for this show to be anything of note
This is my exact concern. Some characters are more effective in small doses.

Imagine Paulie Walnuts have his own show? It would get redundant real quick.

[HardwoodLegend]

It could be done, but I with Saul now as the main character, I have a hard time seeing Gus as too significant. Having him here and there would make more sense IMO, and I would be more than happy to see it.

I wonder if it's too late to change the title of the show.

But even if it's called 'Better Call Saul', that has more of a thematic sense to it. The primary theme of the show being crime and getting out of a jam. Saul doesn't necessarily have to dominate screen time. His clients should be getting an equal share, because he's still "present" in scenes when they carry out his advice since he has a stake in what happens.

I doubt Bob Odenkirk is going to have super high billing over the other main regular cast anyway.

[JohnnySic]

I hope/think that they will create new and interesting characters and not over-rely on the established ones.

I'd love to see Gus get some screen time though...

[HardwoodLegend]

I hope/think that they will create new and interesting characters and not over-rely on the established ones.

I'd love to see Gus get some screen time though...

There could be some cool cartel action go down.

I remember the scene when Walt and Jesse took him out to the desert for intimidation, Saul was thinking it was payback from some Mexican dude. I'd have to go back to the Blu-ray and check the subtitles, because I don't remember the exact name he brought up.

[mr.big35]

they should stop referencing established characters.

[HardwoodLegend]

they should stop referencing established characters.

Stop referencing Mike altogether? Why? Saul knew Mike and that he had a lucrative drug ring connection, and Mike trusted Saul's judgment enough to start business relations with a couple of strangers and give them access to Gus.

Perfectly reasonable to see the history behind how that working relationship got established.

[HardwoodLegend]

Too bad they can't bring back the same actress to play Kaylee Ehrmantraut. She was the perfect Kaylee. So adorable, but she's probably going to be too big by the time this show starts to air.




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The scene of Mike leaving her at the park before Walt killed him broke my heart, so I would like to see more short scenes from the past of him being a great pop pop.

[irondarts]

AMC has already renewed Better Call Saul for a 13 episode Second Season. However, they pushed back the season one premiere to early 2015.

It's bizarre that they renewed it for a second season despite not a single episode being aired, but this is AMC we are talking about here.

[D-Rose]

AMC has already renewed Better Call Saul for a 13 episode Second Season. However, they pushed back the season one premiere to early 2015.

It's bizarre that they renewed it for a second season despite not a single episode being aired, but this is AMC we are talking about here.
I'm glad it'd getting a guaranteed 2 season run at least...I have high hopes for this, it is Gilligan himself running it after all.

[ArbitraryWater]

Still haven't recovered from the ending of Breaking Bad...

Skeptical about this show, but looking forward to it, with MUCH HOPE...

[D-Rose]

http://www.movieweb.com/news/better-call-saul-will-take-place-before-during-and-after-breaking-bad


"One of the great things about having a time line which is flexible is that perhaps some of it takes place before 'Breaking Bad,' during 'Breaking Bad,' and after 'Breaking Bad.' That gives us the ability to bring back characters that were killed on 'Breaking Bad'."


He went on to explain how the show will differ from the original series.

"We want to make a show that stands on it own, is its own story and is a brand extension. We think we have a story that is worth making. ... We could never dream of the kind of success that 'Breaking Bad' had and the love we got from the fans. But, at a certain point you have to do the best job you can and tell the best story that entertains you, get a good response and hope people like it."

I love it. I want to see some hint at what happened to Saul after BB.

Also, would be amazing to see Walt/Jesse for some spots.

[irondarts]

It makes it a lot more interesting that it will be before, during and after BB. It makes it extremely plausible that Aaron Paul and Cranston will be involved and it will show us Saul after BB.

The show just became a lot more exciting for me.

[BigBoss]

This show should have been about Gus Fring and how he built his meth empire with Mike and Saul as supporting characters. Saul and Gus would never meet, they can play on Gus wanting to be in the dark, but Mike would go to Gus and vica verca to take care of dirty work.

[RoseCity07]

Season 5 was not on par with 1-4 of Breaking Bad. I feel like they got lazy and that this show will fail if they give a half-ass effort with this show.

[irondarts]

AMC has just released a Better Call Saul extended trailer:

Here it is: link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1xIGfVFb-U)

This show definitely looks like it's going to be interesting.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

This guy says first few 'Better Call Saul' episodes are better than 'Breaking Bad'. I'm excited.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/better-call-saul-review?%3Fsrc=sem&mag=esq&dom=fb

[Practice?]

Can't wait.

[ZeN]

Season 5 was not on par with 1-4 of Breaking Bad. I feel like they got lazy and that this show will fail if they give a half-ass effort with this show.
:biggums:

[Shade8780]

Better Call Saul is too good to be a spinoff (http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/6/7989617/better-call-saul-review)

I admit, I thought this was gonna be a bust since day one. Pretty excited now though, considering all the fantastic reviews this has gotten from everyone who's seen the pilot.

[Practice?]

Better Call Saul is too good to be a spinoff (http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/6/7989617/better-call-saul-review)

I admit, I thought this was gonna be a bust since day one. Pretty excited now though, considering all the fantastic reviews this has gotten from everyone who's seen the pilot.

Amazing news.

[irondarts]

So yeah, this has been getting insanely good reviews. So excited.

[That_Admiral]

how many days left?

[irondarts]

how many days left?
Premieres on Sunday the 8th
Second episode on Monday the 9th then new episodes every Monday.

[Practice?]

Premieres on Sunday the 8th
Second episode on Monday the 9th then new episodes every Monday.

Oh shit! :bowdown:

[KingBeasley08]

Premieres on Sunday the 8th
Second episode on Monday the 9th then new episodes every Monday.
Oh shit, had no idea it was coming so soon

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

ahh damnit, thought it was gonna be on every sunday night, after walking dead.

[Springsteen]

Solid opening episode. People will say it started slow but forget the Wire didn't exactly have a great opening episode either.

The last minute reminded me why I'm going to be watching every episode of this :applause:

[RoseCity07]

Lived up to the hype.

Rofl at the people that could only be stimulated by the Tuco cameo. If that is the only part you liked then stop watching the show. The Tuco scene was interesting but we know how this works out. The only thing left to see is if he kills those other two.

Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould are great writers.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I never watched a lot of breaking bad, although I liked it, I just have a hard time getting into shows.

But I watched Better Call Saul tonight and really enjoyed it.

It's supposed to be a prequal right? What are the connections to breaking bad? Saul is a new and original character not mentioned in BB, right?

[KingBeasley08]

I never watched a lot of breaking bad, although I liked it, I just have a hard time getting into shows.

But I watched Better Call Saul tonight and really enjoyed it.

It's supposed to be a prequal right? What are the connections to breaking bad? Saul is a new and original character not mentioned in BB, right?
Nah Saul's a supporting character in Breaking Bad. His condition in the present (black and white beginning) is due to events of Breaking Bad. The show is basically his backstory

I really liked this. Felt very different tonally from Breaking Bad but really fit Saul's character

[J Shuttlesworth]

I wouldn't even really say it started off slow. It started off to introduce characters, like any good plot/show does. Can't wait till tomorrow night. Even if this show isn't as good as BB, it should still be entertaining as hell.

[JohnnySic]

It was pretty good. Looking forward to a Gus cameo, and maybe Walt and/or Jesse.

[Droid101]

People liked that? I thought it was terrible.

He was the comic relief in Breaking Bad. There was nothing funny about this show.

Meh. We'll see. I won't give up just yet.

[ZeN]

People liked that? I thought it was terrible.

He was the comic relief in Breaking Bad. There was nothing funny about this show.

Meh. We'll see. I won't give up just yet.
BCS isn't going to be a comedy.

[Shade8780]

People liked that? I thought it was terrible.

He was the comic relief in Breaking Bad. There was nothing funny about this show.

Meh. We'll see. I won't give up just yet.
You're a dumbass if you thought this was going to be a comedy.

Fantastic pilot. Can't wait for tonight's episode.

[Droid101]

You're a dumbass if you thought this was going to be a comedy.

Fantastic pilot. Can't wait for tonight's episode.
I'm a dumbass for thinking a spin off show surrounding a comedic character from the original show was going to be a comedy.

Okay bub.

[outbreak]

You're a dumbass if you thought this was going to be a comedy.

Fantastic pilot. Can't wait for tonight's episode.

It was commissioned as a "comedy drama". But if you expected full on comedy yeah you're a dumbass.

I liked the pilot, thought it was really well done and I really like the way the writers pace the show and the way they film certain shots (which was similar to breaking bad). I've got high hopes for the rest of the season now.

[SuperPippen]

People liked that? I thought it was terrible.

He was the comic relief in Breaking Bad. There was nothing funny about this show.

Meh. We'll see. I won't give up just yet.


What a fukking surprise. ISH's resident contrarian detests something most everybody else enjoyed. Who saw that coming?

[irondarts]

It was good. Looking forward to tonight's episode.

[irondarts]

I'm a dumbass for thinking a spin off show surrounding a comedic character from the original show was going to be a comedy.

Okay bub.
If you thought the creators of BB were going to make a 100% comedy then yes that's pretty dumb. It will be a dark comedy.

[bluechox2]

2nd episode airs tonight

[Droid101]

What a fukking surprise. ISH's resident contrarian detests something most everybody else enjoyed. Who saw that coming?
Eh? I thought the last episode of Walking Dead was good. You need to expand the threads you read.




If you thought the creators of BB were going to make a 100% comedy then yes that's pretty dumb. It will be a dark comedy.
Still waiting on 1% comedy.

[GOBB]

I stopped watching after the two nerds tried to pull a fast one on Saul. By faking a car accident injury. Did it get good after that?

[Droid101]

I stopped watching after the two nerds tried to pull a fast one on Saul. By faking a car accident injury. Did it get good after that?
no

[RoseCity07]

I don't mind people writing their opinions but it's just sad when they don't appreciate a good thing. Some people can only be entertained by garbage like Walking Dead. Absolutely no plot to that show. Just go to this area, zombie confrontation, go to this spot, another confrontation. Boring.

The writers or Breaking Bad know how to do develop characters and write a story with a plot. Vince Gilligan is a genius. They are repeating some plot devices but the writing is on point. They are using that thing that made people take Walt's side. He was the guy that sold his shares and someone else got rich off his work. Saul's brother built that company and now some other guy is going to steal it from them.

This show is going to be interesting because you know Saul lives through it all. I want to see what they do knowing viewers can't be tricked into thinking Saul's life is ever going to be in serious danger. The thing to wonder about the next episode is what Tuco is going to do to the skaters.

[Kblaze8855]

It did get better. He went back to them...you could see him become Saul.

[JohnnySic]

The skater scam is a reach. You could get killed easily doing that.

[outbreak]

The skater scam is a reach. You could get killed easily doing that.
If the car isn't going that quick it's pretty safe to jump before it hits you. I know a guy who used to do it but to be fair he was a drug addict who was in and out of prison so his safety wasn't really his prime concern.

[christian1923]

Now that was good:applause:

[Droid101]

I don't mind people writing their opinions but it's just sad when they don't appreciate a good thing. Some people can only be entertained by garbage like Walking Dead.
Give me a break.

Breaking Bad was a great show.

Better Call Saul is shit so far.

You can't take a comedic character and just drop all the comedy. It's extremely jarring.

And the cheesy, make-no-sense cameos? It's reaching.

I won't give up on it yet, but it's not off to a good start.

[christian1923]

Give me a break.

Breaking Bad was a great show.

Better Call Saul is shit so far.

You can't take a comedic character and just drop all the comedy. It's extremely jarring.

And the cheesy, make-no-sense cameos? It's reaching.

I won't give up on it yet, but it's not off to a good start.
Dude, use your head.

He's not Saul yet. He's not the funny guy you saw on breaking bad yet, he's a completely different character right now. He's gonna develop into who he was in breaking bad eventually.

[outbreak]

Give me a break.

Breaking Bad was a great show.

Better Call Saul is shit so far.

You can't take a comedic character and just drop all the comedy. It's extremely jarring.

And the cheesy, make-no-sense cameos? It's reaching.

I won't give up on it yet, but it's not off to a good start.

He was never flat out comedic though, it was his confidence that made him funny and we see flashes of that in the first episode but he is still growing in to that persona.

[Droid101]

He was never flat out comedic though, it was his confidence that made him funny and we see flashes of that in the first episode but he is still growing in to that persona.

Dude, use your head.

He's not Saul yet. He's not the funny guy you saw on breaking bad yet, he's a completely different character right now. He's gonna develop into who he was in breaking bad eventually.
Okay brehs okay. I didn't say I was going to quit just yet.

Still hasn't met expectations. And the cheesy cameos aren't helping.

I will give Saul a chance.

[guy]

I think it'll be good, but so far it's not touching BB, and I also mean it's not close to the first few episodes of BB either like some of the reviews were implying.

[Pushxx]

The "plot" moves way too slow...ugh.

This show is one confused production so far.

[DonDadda59]

Gilligan's hillbilly ass is gonna be eating off that blue meth forever. Can't wait for 'Breaking Breakfast' starring Walt Jr and 'The Misadventures of Badger and Skinny Pete' to premiere.

[KyleKong]

Watching the second episode right now. Pretty good so far.

Droid you were right though, none of the comedic gold that made Saul such a entertaining character. Still a good show none the less.

When that Tuco turns around and tells his lackie, "Stop helping." That was great. :lol

[That_Admiral]

Watching the second episode right now. Pretty good so far.

Droid you were right though, none of the comedic gold that made Saul such a entertaining character. Still a good show none the less.

When that Tuco turns around and tells his lackie, "Stop helping." That was great. :lol
i think comedic gold will start up soon, just like BB, gonna take some time to be amazing haha

[bigkingsfan]

Saul just can't carry this show, and there's no good secondary characters or villain yet. If this didn't have a connection to BB, I would stop watching it already.

[RoseCity07]

Second episode wasn't nearly as good as the first. I don't care for filler episodes. The desert scene was cool but they have to get away from scenes where Saul is in danger. We all know nothing happens. There is no suspense. Develop a side character like Jesse. Get viewers invested in someone else.

Tuco pointing a gun at Saul means nothing when we know there is no way in hell he can kill Saul.

[irondarts]

Second episode wasn't nearly as good as the first. I don't care for filler episodes. The desert scene was cool but they have to get away from scenes where Saul is in danger. We all know nothing happens. There is no suspense. Develop a side character like Jesse. Get viewers invested in someone else.

Tuco pointing a gun at Saul means nothing when we know there is no way in hell he can kill Saul.
It's true, and the second episode wasn't nearly as good as the first. However, the Tuco desert scene definitely served it's purpose. Saul obviously gained a ton of confidence in his skills as a lawyer after negotiating with Tuco over the twins. It definitely developed his character and persona.

[Droid101]

Lawyer montage was fun.

Most of the rest of that was just filler/junk. Those two beardo hipsters are really bad actors.

Still looks promising.

[AlphaWolf24]

I thought the first episode was very good, although you are much better off watching the BB series first.....

not sure how people who never followed BB are going to appreciate or like it as much.

[Nastradamus]

I thought episode 2 was better than the 1st

[Sarcastic]

What's the deal with his brother being such a weirdo? Any back story to that?

[Shade8780]

The reason you guys aren't enjoying it is because you're comparing it to BB.

Think of it as its own show, forget about these lofty expectations you are putting on it and just enjoy it for what it is. I'm enjoying it greatly right now, the second episode wasn't as good as the first, but still pretty good.

[jazz873]

I am enjoying it. It has exceeded my expectations. Anyone remember in breaking bad where Saul says something like "If I'm lucky, a month from now, best-case scenario I'll be in Omaha managing a Cinnabon". I would assume that was related to the opening scene of the pilot.

[Shade8780]

I am enjoying it. It has exceeded my expectations. Anyone remember in breaking bad where Saul says something like "If I'm lucky, a month from now, best-case scenario I'll be in Omaha managing a Cinnabon". I would assume that was related to the opening scene of the pilot.
That went completely over my head :lol

[highwhey]

Am i the only one craving a cinnabon?

I like the show thus far

[GOBB]

Second episode wasn't nearly as good as the first. I don't care for filler episodes. The desert scene was cool but they have to get away from scenes where Saul is in danger. We all know nothing happens. There is no suspense. Develop a side character like Jesse. Get viewers invested in someone else.

Tuco pointing a gun at Saul means nothing when we know there is no way in hell he can kill Saul.

You were just hyping this show up and smacking peoples hands with a ruler who didn't like the show. Now your entire post is about whats wrong with the second episode. Hope next episode has you saying epic, comedic gold and what not. Otherwise better call Saul and tell him his show sucks

[guy]

I don't mind people writing their opinions but it's just sad when they don't appreciate a good thing. Some people can only be entertained by garbage like Walking Dead. Absolutely no plot to that show. Just go to this area, zombie confrontation, go to this spot, another confrontation. Boring.

The writers or Breaking Bad know how to do develop characters and write a story with a plot. Vince Gilligan is a genius. They are repeating some plot devices but the writing is on point. They are using that thing that made people take Walt's side. He was the guy that sold his shares and someone else got rich off his work. Saul's brother built that company and now some other guy is going to steal it from them.

This show is going to be interesting because you know Saul lives through it all. I want to see what they do knowing viewers can't be tricked into thinking Saul's life is ever going to be in serious danger. The thing to wonder about the next episode is what Tuco is going to do to the skaters.

Aren't you the one that didn't think season 5 of Breaking Bad was that good? Even though most agree its one of the best seasons of the show?

Better Call Saul hasn't been anything special YET. In fact, if it wasn't for it being part of the Breaking Bad universe, I think a lot of people at this point would probably not give it anywhere near as much of a chance going forward. It is what it is. Its only been 2 episodes, so its way too early to judge, but so far it hasn't indicated its anywhere close to Breaking Bad or any other all-time great show.



Tuco pointing a gun at Saul means nothing when we know there is no way in hell he can kill Saul.

:oldlol: Are you kidding? So the countless times Walt looked like he was a goner should've NEVER HAPPENED? That was so much of what made Breaking Bad. Furthermore, should Tony Soprano, Vick Mackey, Nucky Thompson, or whoever from these shows never have came close to death? Your complaints are ridiculous.

[JohnnySic]

They need to introduce new, compelling characters. If they over-rely on the established ones it will get stale fast.

That said - waiting for Gus to make his appearance.

http://www.sickchirpse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Breaking-Bad-Simpsons-11.jpg

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Am i the only one craving a cinnabon?

I like the show thus far
lol..they were giving away mini-buns on Monday as a special promotion due to the show.

[Levity]

It's pretty perplexing to me that these days, the only show's worth a person's time have to be the "best thing on TV" or "amazingly epic" When in reality, we dont hold ourselves to the same standards (IE, all of ya'll boning fat chicks when you get drunk)

but i do understand some of the criticism in this thread. however, it needs to be understood that the first few episodes of this season are going to be the character development of James (whatever his last name is), into Saul Goodman. He wasnt born with this confidence, as evident by the first two eps, but he developed it from somewhere. and im as curious as you are to as how.

And once that happens is when Saul has the most impactful experience of his life, which will lead to more intriguing story lines and exciting secondary characters

It's like all most of you are going on a blind date for the first time, and built all these expectations in your head of this girl being a 12/10, and when you meet her and shes an 8, youre like, "fck this shit! im out!"

[Demon Lizard]

Second episode wasn't nearly as good as the first. I don't care for filler episodes. The desert scene was cool but they have to get away from scenes where Saul is in danger. We all know nothing happens. There is no suspense. Develop a side character like Jesse. Get viewers invested in someone else.

Tuco pointing a gun at Saul means nothing when we know there is no way in hell he can kill Saul.

True, but the same technically could have been said for Walt in BB until the very end. Only difference is that Walt could have had his finger cut off while that makes no sense for Saul.

Also, I think that is why it was important to have the brothers there. They could have died (not that we care too much about them). But future situations like that will still make sense where Saul is not alone and tries to save others, and sometimes he will and sometimes he will fail. I thought this situation was perfect in showing his lawyer skills related to criminals outside of the court system.

[Thorpesaurous]

I watched the first one Sunday night, and the second last night. I've personally been surprised just how much I've liked it, because I had pretty serious reservations. Truthfully if it weren't for being a fan of Bob Odenkirk going back to Mr. Show, I probably wouldn't even have given this a shot.

I like the highly stylized elements so far. It may feel like fluff, but I've felt they've been really well done, and they have the space for them, because there's a sense that the audience has some knowledge of the existing characters, and don't need to be spoon fed entirely. They're spooling out this information about McGill becoming Saul, via the other McGill and this major law firm, pretty slowly. They don't need to rush it. And it's given them time for things like the long Cinnabun intro, and the entire between commercial sequence being given to that musically covered scene with the breadsticks breaking. I've liked most of that stuff so far.

[El Kabong]

Quite enjoyed the first two episodes. I am a fan of Odenkirk though, so there may be some bias on that part. Didn't mind that they went back to some secondary characters from Breaking Bad to begin with, but I hope it doesn't become a constant theme in the show and the biggest plot points it puts up.

[Thorpesaurous]

Quite enjoyed the first two episodes. I am a fan of Odenkirk though, so there may be some bias on that part. Didn't mind that they went back to some secondary characters from Breaking Bad to begin with, but I hope it doesn't become a constant theme in the show and the biggest plot points it puts up.


I agree in part. I didn't need Tucco, although it was nice to see him.

But on the other hand I do think a background connecting him to Mike Ehrmuntrout is a great place to put the story, since Mike was a guy that he provided.

[ButterFace]

Lovin this show so far.

[Tarik One]

What's the deal with his brother being such a weirdo? Any back story to that?
He's not weird. He suffers from a serious electromagnetic phobia.

[Demon Lizard]

He's not weird. He suffers from a serious electromagnetic phobia.

But how is he supposed to post on ISH? :biggums:

[JohnnySic]

I think they may have used Tuco as a segue-way to introduce the other guy (the one who makes that scam proposition to Saul), who will become a regular character.

[Thorpesaurous]

I think they may have used Tuco as a segue-way to introduce the other guy (the one who makes that scam proposition to Saul), who will become a regular character.


That's my take too.

[GOBB]

Second episode was much better

[KingBeasley08]

Gilligan's hillbilly ass is gonna be eating off that blue meth forever. Can't wait for 'Breaking Breakfast' starring Walt Jr and 'The Misadventures of Badger and Skinny Pete' to premiere.
Other than the pilot, I don't think Gilligan has much to do with it. It's mostly Peter Gould's baby

[Demon Lizard]

I think they may have used Tuco as a segue-way to introduce the other guy (the one who makes that scam proposition to Saul), who will become a regular character.

Ditto.

[Demon Lizard]

Gilligan's hillbilly ass is gonna be eating off that blue meth forever. Can't wait for 'Breaking Breakfast' starring Walt Jr and 'The Misadventures of Badger and Skinny Pete' to premiere.

The Misadventures of Badger and Skinny Pete would make a great cartoon. I envision it as similar to the Clerks cartoon.

[alenleomessi]

i had low expectations so this was pretty good so far

[Shade8780]

It's pretty perplexing to me that these days, the only show's worth a person's time have to be the "best thing on TV" or "amazingly epic" When in reality, we dont hold ourselves to the same standards (IE, all of ya'll boning fat chicks when you get drunk)

but i do understand some of the criticism in this thread. however, it needs to be understood that the first few episodes of this season are going to be the character development of James (whatever his last name is), into Saul Goodman. He wasnt born with this confidence, as evident by the first two eps, but he developed it from somewhere. and im as curious as you are to as how.

And once that happens is when Saul has the most impactful experience of his life, which will lead to more intriguing story lines and exciting secondary characters

It's like all most of you are going on a blind date for the first time, and built all these expectations in your head of this girl being a 12/10, and when you meet her and shes an 8, youre like, "fck this shit! im out!"
F*cking this.

[highwhey]

I think they should have showed more of tucco cooking. As a fellow hispanic, I love carne burritos and want to learn his simple bachelor life recipes

[ZeN]

I think they should have showed more of tucco cooking. As a fellow hispanic, I love carne burritos and want to learn his simple bachelor life recipes
Tamales bro.. Tamales.

[highwhey]

Tamales bro.. Tamales.
:cheers:

[Demon Lizard]

I think they should have showed more of tucco cooking. As a fellow hispanic, I love carne burritos and want to learn his simple bachelor life recipes

I assumed you meant meth at first. :lol

[AlphaWolf24]

2nd episode was great.....


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I actually thought He was going to create the Saul character when he was about to get shot in the desert

[Demon Lizard]

I already can't wait till the next episode.

[ROCSteady]

Great first two episodes. the first was stronger but I knew Tuco would reappear when the granny showed up

[J Shuttlesworth]

Great episode tonight too. Moves a little slow action wise, but the plot develops, and the characters become a little more detailed. Vince Gilligan always knows how to leave you wanting more

[irondarts]

Extremely good episode tonight.

[RoseCity07]

This episode was extremely predictable.

I knew they ran instead of being kidnapped. I knew the second there was a struggle for the bag that there was money in it.

The repeated callings by Saul to Nacho was just like what Saul did to Jesse in season 4 when he leaves like 10 messages on his phone.

The whole Saul's life being in danger thing has to go. It's not interesting at all for BB fans. We know he's safe. Develop another character that the audience hopes to see survive. Saul living is a sure thing.

I like the show but it needs to get a bit more interesting. These feel like filler episodes already.

[JohnnySic]

I agree that they need new, compelling characters carrying more weight on the show.

[irondarts]

This episode was extremely predictable.

I knew they ran instead of being kidnapped. I knew the second there was a struggle for the bag that there was money in it.

The repeated callings by Saul to Nacho was just like what Saul did to Jesse in season 4 when he leaves like 10 messages on his phone.

The whole Saul's life being in danger thing has to go. It's not interesting at all for BB fans. We know he's safe. Develop another character that the audience hopes to see survive. Saul living is a sure thing.

I like the show but it needs to get a bit more interesting. These feel like filler episodes already.
I'm sorry but this logic makes no sense to me.

How many time was Walter White in danger of his life? Tons, but we knew he probably wasn't going to get killed, the compelling part was how he would get out of trouble. Same could be said for many crime themed TV shows. We know the central character isn't going to get killed, because if he does the show would be done with, but that doesn't mean he can't be put in danger.

Now, each time Saul's life has been in danger through the first 3 episodes, he's had to use his negotiating skills as a lawyer to get out of it, which builds his confidence and develops his character towards Saul. It has served it's purpose.

[joe]

This is such a cool show. Vince and his team are so good at building suspense and drama. The way they showed Sauls guilt, with the constant phone calls and messages. His cryptic comments to his lawyer friend. And in this show, they are mixing in more comedy (You didnt use the sex robot voice, did you?). The only problem is waiting a whole week to watch more. I hate it!

[Sarcastic]

Biznatch :lol

[Droid101]

Third episode was much better. I'm now sold.

[SCREWstonRockets]

This episode was extremely predictable.

I knew they ran instead of being kidnapped. I knew the second there was a struggle for the bag that there was money in it.

The repeated callings by Saul to Nacho was just like what Saul did to Jesse in season 4 when he leaves like 10 messages on his phone.

The whole Saul's life being in danger thing has to go. It's not interesting at all for BB fans. We know he's safe. Develop another character that the audience hopes to see survive. Saul living is a sure thing.

I like the show but it needs to get a bit more interesting. These feel like filler episodes already.

LOL its three episodes in. People forget that Breaking Bad started off very similar to Better Call Saul. Like setting the stage, introducting new characters, and the random flashbacks. I don't think anyone knew how good the show would become after that first season.

And of course, Saul called Nacho the same way he called, Jesse. I mean he is Saul! He has a certain way he goes about things. I think show has been great so far.

[Andrei89]

Breaking bad first three episodes were not as good as Better Call Saul first three episodes.

I am sold!

[joe]

Why do people criticize the first season of Breaking Bad? That show didnt start off slow at all. It just properly built suspense and didnt blow its load in the first 5 minutes like some overbudget action movie. Every episode of it was filled with tension and drama.

[Andrei89]

Why do people criticize the first season of Breaking Bad? That show didnt start off slow at all. It just properly built suspense and didnt blow its load in the first 5 minutes like some overbudget action movie. Every episode of it was filled with tension and drama.


Nobody criticized them.

People criticize Better Call Saul fast enough after 3 episodes. I love the start of this show. Getting to know Saul from when he was insecure, had another name and had 2 dollars on his name is what makes me enjoy this show already.

The way they build up the episodes is like Breaking Bad all over again ( which is of course a good thing), I have high hopes for this show and I believe Saul can carry on a show as the main character.

[joe]

Nobody criticized them.

People criticize Better Call Saul fast enough after 3 episodes. I love the start of this show. Getting to know Saul from when he was insecure, had another name and had 2 dollars on his name is what makes me enjoy this show already.

The way they build up the episodes is like Breaking Bad all over again ( which is of course a good thing), I have high hopes for this show and I believe Saul can carry on a show as the main character.

It is a common critique that the show started slow, one which has been echoed occasionally in this thread. I never understood it. Not every story is Final Fantasy 7- beginning with a literal bang. Wait, what year is it? Is that an obscure reference now?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Why do people criticize the first season of Breaking Bad? That show didnt start off slow at all. It just properly built suspense and didnt blow its load in the first 5 minutes like some overbudget action movie. Every episode of it was filled with tension and drama.
Agreed. "Handful of Nothing" is such a great episode.

Also, Season 1 of breaking bad happened during the writers strike, so the season was cut off prematurely. Originally, Season 1 would have ended with Tuco being killed by Hank.

I'm loving the character development of Saul though. It's really interesting to see how it all came together. All Breaking Bad seasons had character development and plot building, which is similar to what BCS is doing right now. I remember people always complaining that BB seasons started off slow, but when you see the end of the season, you understand why they made it that way.

[Nastradamus]

Yah, people who are patient enough for the story to play out will be highly satisfied by this show IMO

[ZeN]

Yah, people who are patient enough for the story to play out will be highly satisfied by this show IMO
Its definitely looking like that's going to be the case.

[RoseCity07]

LOL its three episodes in. People forget that Breaking Bad started off very similar to Better Call Saul. Like setting the stage, introducting new characters, and the random flashbacks. I don't think anyone knew how good the show would become after that first season.

And of course, Saul called Nacho the same way he called, Jesse. I mean he is Saul! He has a certain way he goes about things. I think show has been great so far.

No it did not. Not at all. Breaking Bad hooked me from the first second. It is a show that got better with each episode for four straight seasons. Saul was hilarious at all times. This show seems forced. I want to like it but it just doesn't have the same magic.

I predicted that they ran away immediately when I saw Nacho in the interrogation room. All these little throw back moments they do are stuff that we already knew. We need Mike was a cop in Philly from his story he told Walt in season 3.

I'm going to keep watching but the dialogue isn't as good. I can feel the misdoes using a lot of filler. Pointless shots that drag on so they can fill the entire episode with content.

[RoseCity07]

I'm sorry but this logic makes no sense to me.

How many time was Walter White in danger of his life? Tons, but we knew he probably wasn't going to get killed, the compelling part was how he would get out of trouble. Same could be said for many crime themed TV shows. We know the central character isn't going to get killed, because if he does the show would be done with, but that doesn't mean he can't be put in danger.

Now, each time Saul's life has been in danger through the first 3 episodes, he's had to use his negotiating skills as a lawyer to get out of it, which builds his confidence and develops his character towards Saul. It has served it's purpose.


Not true. In season 5 it was obvious he was going to live until the final episode. That didn't even matter either because Jesse could have been killed and Jesse is half the show. I think Jesse is actually more important than Walt. As much as Jesse was a f*ck up he made this show truly great. And there really was no guarantee that Jesse would survive. I thought he was going to get shot to death before Walt ran over those two thugs.

[bluechox2]

great show, i like the slight breaking bad vibe you get but they actually got a show out of nothing , never though id watch a show about saul from bb

[joe]

Not true. In season 5 it was obvious he was going to live until the final episode. That didn't even matter either because Jesse could have been killed and Jesse is half the show. I think Jesse is actually more important than Walt. As much as Jesse was a f*ck up he made this show truly great. And there really was no guarantee that Jesse would survive. I thought he was going to get shot to death before Walt ran over those two thugs.

Do you not get any joy just from watching the drama of a scene unfold? We know Saul is not going to be killed by Nacho, but what about watching Saul's resourcefulness? What about how his lawyer friend reacts, suspecting he knows more than he is letting on?

I thought the last scene was poorly done. It seemed too obvious that Saul would find the family, right where he thought they would be, and of course exactly as he painted to the police. But besides that, I just like watching the drama unfold.

[Bless Mathews]

This show is disappointing.

Saul can not carry an entire show.

It's very cbsish.

[bagelred]

The whole Saul's life being in danger thing has to go. It's not interesting at all for BB fans. We know he's safe. Develop another character that the audience hopes to see survive. Saul living is a sure thing.



This is a stupid complaint. Did you ever think Walter White's life was actually in danger? Ever? We knew he'd be perfectly fine until the series finale...when maybe he'd get killed.

Lead characters carrying a show don't die. We KNOW Jimmy is fine because, ya know, he's the main character.

[JohnnySic]

Every action movie ever made sucks because we know the lead hero isn't in danger. :facepalm

[CP343]

Good show so far. I'm hooked.

[CP343]

This is a stupid complaint. Did you ever think Walter White's life was actually in danger? Ever? We knew he'd be perfectly fine until the series finale...when maybe he'd get killed.

Lead characters carrying a show don't die. We KNOW Jimmy is fine because, ya know, he's the main character.

Exactly. Just like with Walt, the real danger is in those around him, like he may have to save his female friend from a dangerous situation, or his brother. They also could late in the series go to the present. He looked like he missed his lawyer days, and maybe he comes out of the shadows, which would make him in real danger.

[ItsMillerTime]

This show is disappointing.

Saul can not carry an entire show.

It's very cbsish.

"cbsish" ?

CBS will never land a show with as good a production value and directing like Better Call Saul. Vince Gilligan and company could make a show about paint drying and it would still be more entertaining than most shows on CBS.

[CP343]

"cbsish" ?

CBS will never land a show with as good a production value and directing like Better Call Saul. Vince Gilligan and company could make a show about paint drying and it would still be more entertaining than shows on CBS.

Ooh, when does that air?

[AlphaWolf24]

Cool to see Mike give Saul advice....

[CP343]

Cool to see Mike give Saul advice....

Yeah, that stairwell scene was good. Also a good setup for why Saul hires him.

[Velocirap31]

Yeah, that stairwell scene was good. Also a good setup for why Saul hires him.

You think he's going to be the same Mike from Breaking Bad? I thought it was just a cameo. Shouldn't Mike be working for Gus already?

[CP343]

You think he's going to be the same Mike from Breaking Bad? I thought it was just a cameo. Shouldn't Mike be working for Gus already?

He is the 2nd billed every episode. His role will likely become bigger.

How long did he work for Gus? Did BB ever say?

[Velocirap31]

He is the 2nd billed every episode. His role will likely become bigger.

How long did he work for Gus? Did BB ever say?

Not sure. That's quite a story for him alone though, working as a parking attendant and later a bodyguard/hitman for a drug lord.

[Bless Mathews]

"cbsish" ?

CBS will never land a show with as good a production value and directing like Better Call Saul. Vince Gilligan and company could make a show about paint drying and it would still be more entertaining than most shows on CBS.

Cbs shows are corny.

You know what is going to happen, just not exactly WHEN it's going to happen.

Bcs is similar. Like in 2nd episode you know they weren't gonna kill him or them kids. And that scene just DRAGGED on. Last episode. A bit of a twist. But all this threatening that he's gonna get killed by the Mexicans.

"Omgosh, they're gonna kill the main character in episode 3. "

They think I'm a fuccin idiot???

It has cbs tendencies bruh.

Some cheese.

[ZeN]

"cbsish" ?

CBS will never land a show with as good a production value and directing like Better Call Saul. Vince Gilligan and company could make a show about paint drying and it would still be more entertaining than most shows on CBS.
That's incorrect, the good wife a CBS show is all those things and more, despite having to follow an episodic format.

I'm not saying that Saul won't be better in scope. Only that it's similar in production quality. TGW is likely the best produced network show besides Hannibal.

[CP343]

Not sure. That's quite a story for him alone though, working as a parking attendant and later a bodyguard/hitman for a drug lord.

Don't forget he used to be a cop too.

[Tarik One]

You think he's going to be the same Mike from Breaking Bad? I thought it was just a cameo. Shouldn't Mike be working for Gus already?

There has been no info given on either show to know who Mike met or was working for first between Saul and Gus.

All we know is that Saul "Knows a guy who knows a guy..........who knows another guy:

[CP343]

Like in 2nd episode you know they weren't gonna kill him or them kids. .

How were you so certain the skateboarders wouldn't die?

[bluechox2]

How were you so certain the skateboarders wouldn't die?
i has thinking 50/50 those kids would die, its not like they will be coming back on the show even if alive so...

but the fact that they are alive shows how saul's becoming a better lawyer with a certain type of people and his first connection to the "underworld" and becoming "the laywer" criminals can turn to

[CP343]

i has thinking 50/50 those kids would die, its not like they will be coming back on the show even if alive so...

but the fact that they are alive shows how saul's becoming a better lawyer with a certain type of people and his first connection to the "underworld" and becoming "the laywer" criminals can turn to

I bet they will. BB had characters return often. It could be a while though since their legs are busted.

[ItsMillerTime]

That's incorrect, the good wife a CBS show is all those things and more, despite having to follow an episodic format.

I'm not saying that Saul won't be better in scope. Only that it's similar in production quality. TGW is likely the best produced network show besides Hannibal.

Haven't checked out TGW yet even though I've heard several good reviews. I feel like we're spoiled with so many good cable/premium shows that regular networks can't keep up. I do intend on watching The Blacklist though, which is another network show I've heard really good things about.

[Nastradamus]

"cbsish" ?

CBS will never land a show with as good a production value and directing like Better Call Saul. Vince Gilligan and company could make a show about paint drying and it would still be more entertaining than most shows on CBS.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-ca-tv-preview-battle-creek-20150104-story.html

[irondarts]

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-ca-tv-preview-battle-creek-20150104-story.html
I was gonna say, I thought Gilligan had a show coming up on CBS. Wonder if it'll be any good...

[Bless Mathews]

How were you so certain the skateboarders wouldn't die?


As soon as they were alive in the garage. M

Bb tuko woulda smoked them skateboarders no doubt.

Tuko had no idea Saul was gonna show up at his door.

As soon as they were still alive in garage I knew he wouldn't kill them.

And as soon as they were alive I knew this show was cbsish.

Smh.

[ZenMaster]

Cbs shows are corny.

You know what is going to happen, just not exactly WHEN it's going to happen.

Bcs is similar. Like in 2nd episode you know they weren't gonna kill him or them kids. And that scene just DRAGGED on. Last episode. A bit of a twist. But all this threatening that he's gonna get killed by the Mexicans.

"Omgosh, they're gonna kill the main character in episode 3. "

They think I'm a fuccin idiot???

It has cbs tendencies bruh.

Some cheese.

Sounds like the same kind of complaint as some people had when watching True Detective.

The scenario is not made for you to think Saul might die, obviously we know he won't. Instead it's made for Saul to think he might die and thus his reaction and personal development from the experience.
This is the story of how Mcgill becomes the criminal lawyer Saul Goodman, it's about character development and it's not supposed to trick you.

[CP343]

As soon as they were alive in the garage. M

Bb tuko woulda smoked them skateboarders no doubt.

Tuko had no idea Saul was gonna show up at his door.

As soon as they were still alive in garage I knew he wouldn't kill them.

And as soon as they were alive I knew this show was cbsish.

Smh.

So the events that actually took place in the desert were cbsish too? :facepalm

[longhornfan1234]

This episode was extremely predictable.

I knew they ran instead of being kidnapped. I knew the second there was a struggle for the bag that there was money in it.

The repeated callings by Saul to Nacho was just like what Saul did to Jesse in season 4 when he leaves like 10 messages on his phone.

The whole Saul's life being in danger thing has to go. It's not interesting at all for BB fans. We know he's safe. Develop another character that the audience hopes to see survive. Saul living is a sure thing.

I like the show but it needs to get a bit more interesting. These feel like filler episodes already.
What kind of a critique is this? Do you also want to add....

'I knew Saul was going to go to that Court House for work."

"I knew Saul wouldn't have the parking stickers again."

"I knew Mike would do more than sit in that parking gate box."

"I knew Tuco wasn't going to kill Saul episode 2."

Not every good television show is trying to conceal its plot to you. Sometimes things are exactly as they appear, and they are still well written and acted. Go watch a Shamalyn movie if you are trying to be tricked.

[JohnnySic]

I dont get the complaints. Show is good so far and we are getting a Breaking Bad fix of sorts.

If you dont like it, dont watch it.

[CP343]

I dont get the complaints. Show is good so far and we are getting a Breaking Bad fix of sorts.

If you dont like it, dont watch it.

This.

[Bless Mathews]

So the events that actually took place in the desert were cbsish too? :facepalm


Yes. EXACTLY like a cbs show.

Corny as fucc.

[CP343]

Yes. EXACTLY like a cbs show.

Corny as fucc.

Cool. I guess you won't be watching anymore then.

[Shade8780]

I'm enjoying this so far.

Does anyone else feel that the Kettlemen family are actually a bunch of psychopathic murderers? :lol I wouldn't be surprised if they kidnapped Saul and tortured him, I was nearly shouting at the screen telling him to call the cops.

[ballup]

Does Nacho (the guy who Saul has to defend against the charges of kidnapping that family) sound familiar to anyone? If he does, but you can't put your finger on it, heres a hint:


Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same ****ing thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change... That. Is. Crazy. The first time somebody told me that, I dunno, I thought they were bullshitting me, so, I shot him. The thing is... He was right. And then I started seeing, everywhere I looked, everywhere I looked all these ****ing pricks, everywhere I looked, doing the exact same ****ing thing... over and over and over and over again thinking 'this time is gonna be different' no, no, no please... This time is gonna be different, I'm sorry, I don't like... The way...

[Tarik One]

The intro was golden

[Heavincent]

Somebody brought up an interesting point on another forum:


The series finale will be the reveal that Saul played walt/gus/everyone and it was all a scam for him to make more money and he planned every second of it out.

:eek:

[christian1923]

Does Nacho (the guy who Saul has to defend against the charges of kidnapping that family) sound familiar to anyone? If he does, but you can't put your finger on it, heres a hint:
I'm so lost here

talk to me brother.

[highwhey]

Does Nacho (the guy who Saul has to defend against the charges of kidnapping that family) sound familiar to anyone? If he does, but you can't put your finger on it, heres a hint:
Sounds like something rick grimes from walking dead would say, you sure you're in the right thread? Without amy additional details (white font if u have to), that quote is useless.

[Rizko]

I looked up the quote using google search. Its from the character Vaas from farcry 3 I think. IDK im not much of a game guy

[Sarcastic]

BCS > BB

:pimp:

[Heavincent]

I looked up the quote using google search. Its from the character Vaas from farcry 3 I think. IDK im not much of a game guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKMMCPeiQoc

[Rizko]

As far as better call saul goes I really enjoy the show. I think its gonna be as good as BB is, which is in my 2nd tier for the prestige dramas I've watched.

1st tier:

Sopranos
The Wire

2nd tier:

Breaking Bad.

I could never get into Mad men and I havent watched shit like SoA, Dexter, etc... I've always been a sitcom/standup/sketch show guy really.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Pretty damn funny episode tonight :lol Not the most action filled, but the show is definitely entertaining

[RoseCity07]

Another slow episode IMO. I keep watching but the story isn't as interesting. I feel like some of the lines are funny but poorly executed. Which is strange because Saul nailed every one of his lines in Breaking Bad. It's like they used up all of his charm in BB.

Does anyone else notice they use a lot of filler in these episodes? They have shots drag on where nobody is talking. You know it's because they need to fill the hour. The shot in the nail salon was the one that stood out to me. My god they just sit in those chairs and lay there for about 20 seconds.

I really want this show to pick up the pace.

[highwhey]

As far as better call saul goes I really enjoy the show. I think its gonna be as good as BB is, which is in my 2nd tier for the prestige dramas I've watched.

1st tier:

Sopranos
The Wire

2nd tier:

Breaking Bad.

I could never get into Mad men and I havent watched shit like SoA, Dexter, etc... I've always been a sitcom/standup/sketch show guy really.
I would have a drink or two with you at the bar.

Have you checked out "The Knick"? What about True Detective and Game of Thrones?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Another slow episode IMO. I keep watching but the story isn't as interesting. I feel like some of the lines are funny but poorly executed. Which is strange because Saul nailed every one of his lines in Breaking Bad. It's like they used up all of his charm in BB.

Does anyone else notice they use a lot of filler in these episodes? They have shots drag on where nobody is talking. You know it's because they need to fill the hour. The shot in the nail salon was the one that stood out to me. My god they just sit in those chairs and lay there for about 20 seconds.

I really want this show to pick up the pace.
Honestly, I remember people on forums complaining about the exact same things in breaking bad. Breaking Bad seasons always had "slow action" at the beginning of each season aside from normally violent 1st/2nd episodes (like we had with Tuco this season). I know the show probably can't be as good as Breaking Bad, but I wouldn't judge the action this early considering they are still setting up the character development to lead into an arc in a few episodes.

[Sarcastic]

Shows are much more than filler. They're giving so much back story, and laying the groundwork for amazing story lines.

2 great lines in the first few scenes:

"bro, I never did catch your name" ""Sall. 'Sall good, man." :lol

"You're the kind of lawyer guilty people hire". :pimp:


Also, Mrs. Kettleman can get it.


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[Rizko]

I would have a drink or two with you at the bar.

Have you checked out "The Knick"? What about True Detective and Game of Thrones?
I havent scene them. I dont have any premium cable services at my house so Its rare i see shows on Showtime or HBO until there on DVD or whatever.

I would like to watch them tho. A lot really lol. Especially the Knick and True Detective.

IDK how much id be into GoT. It feels like its a soap operaesque show with a medieval veneer. Like if you stripped away all the middle earthish shit/armies doing there bidding and made them speak regular English you would have something close to a royal family version Dallas with a shitload of nudity lol

[ROCSteady]

This latest episode kicked ass.


The beginning flashback was brilliant writing and character development.

Good show so far even if last episode was 'meh.'


It's gettin real and Saul craxked me up with antics.

[Bless Mathews]

I havent scene them. I dont have any premium cable services at my house so Its rare i see shows on Showtime or HBO until there on DVD or whatever.

I would like to watch them tho. A lot really lol. Especially the Knick and True Detective.

IDK how much id be into GoT. It feels like its a soap operaesque show with a medieval veneer. Like if you stripped away all the middle earthish shit/armies doing there bidding and made them speak regular English you would have something close to a royal family version Dallas with a shitload of nudity lol

Pretty much spot on about got

Goat avatar btw.

[Bless Mathews]

Pretty good episode.

Building up the inevitable victory Saul is finna get over that bif wig lawyer.

[Rizko]

Pretty much spot on about got

Goat avatar btw.
Thanks. I saw the picture years ago and made it my desktop backround for a while. Then when I signed up here I used it.

Honestly I'm more of an opiates person myself when it comes to the hard drugs. Speedy shit makes me crash real bad and I always feel the need to do a roxi or some dope to level it off, but I never feel like I need to do a stim when I do when Im rocked on some good raw lol.

BTW highwhey Im surprisingly not uch of a drinker either. IDK I feel too sloppy when I get drunk. I can drink a beer or 2 but more then that is just too much

[highwhey]

I havent scene them. I dont have any premium cable services at my house so Its rare i see shows on Showtime or HBO until there on DVD or whatever.

I would like to watch them tho. A lot really lol. Especially the Knick and True Detective.

IDK how much id be into GoT. It feels like its a soap operaesque show with a medieval veneer. Like if you stripped away all the middle earthish shit/armies doing there bidding and made them speak regular English you would have something close to a royal family version Dallas with a shitload of nudity lol
Torrents. Or if you have an android phone, download show box and stream it. I have a strong feeling you'd put true detective in tier 2, it definitely belongs there or in between tier 1 and 2.

[Shade8780]

This show is awesome.

[ROCSteady]

Yea they exceeded my expectations with the first three, overall.


Hope it can pick up even more steam and get close to BB tier

[RoseCity07]

We already knew Saul Goodman was a play on words. That was no secret. It doesn't really make sense to me that Saul would say that though. He said to Walt, "the Jew thing I just do for the homeboys". I always assumed he came up with the name to get more Jewish clients.

[ZeN]

We already knew Saul Goodman was a play on words. That was no secret. It doesn't really make sense to me that Saul would say that though. He said to Walt, "the Jew thing I just do for the homeboys". I always assumed he came up with the name to get more Jewish clients.
Its called layered composition..

It's the way depth is developed..

[KevinNYC]

We already knew Saul Goodman was a play on words. That was no secret. It doesn't really make sense to me that Saul would say that though. He said to Walt, "the Jew thing I just do for the homeboys". I always assumed he came up with the name to get more Jewish clients.
In New Mexico?

:wtf:

Are there a lot of Jews in New Mexico?

[CP343]

Yea they exceeded my expectations with the first three, overall.


Hope it can pick up even more steam and get close to BB tier

My reaction as well.

[dkmwise]

Really enjoying this show so far. But one thing that really bothers me is how old and shitty Jimmy (Saul) looks. This show is set back in 2002 and some flashbacks go even further and the guy looks so damn old, clearly looks older then when he was in BB. I realize this isn't an important fact and there's nothing they can do about it, I just for some reason find it so distracting the whole time I'm watching.

[CP343]

Really enjoying this show so far. But one thing that really bothers me is how old and shitty Jimmy (Saul) looks. This show is set back in 2002 and some flashbacks go even further and the guy looks so damn old, clearly looks older then when he was in BB. I realize this isn't an important fact and there's nothing they can do about it, I just for some reason find it so distracting the whole time I'm watching.

I only have problems with it in the really far back flashbacks when he has longer hair and is dressing like a teenager.

[joe]

I cant wait to see more of his post breaking bad fate. I hope that is integrated into the show throughout the series. Seeing him work at that bakery was so powerful, just amazing.

[RonSwanson]

Saul is about to get screwed, which he will ultimately turn around. Kettleteam wil be split and Saul will represent the underdog side. JMM will support the favorites. The favorites will probably be the woman's side since she obviously wears the pants in that family and Jimmy(Saul) will defend the other. That's my theory so far, can't wait to see how this plays out, especially with Nacho...

[RoseCity07]

Decent episode tonight. It actually got me looking forward to the next one which involve's Mike's backstory.

Am I the only one that noticed the nurse in tonight's episode? She was in Breaking Bad. The one that threatened to call security on Jesse because he kept trying to visit Brock.

[Nastradamus]

Love that they're about to dig into Mike's past.

[bigkingsfan]

Chuck is turning into Skyler, please keep his story short.

[Tarik One]

Love that they're about to dig into Mike's past.
I hope there is not too much focus on the Breaking Bad connections. The show is doing fine on it's own. I'm fine with the BB characters appearing and having their here and there, but I could do without a full explanation of how Mike became the person he became. I was never curious in the least while he was on BB.

[That_Admiral]

I hope there is not too much focus on the Breaking Bad connections. The show is doing fine on it's own. I'm fine with the BB characters appearing and having their here and there, but I could do without a full explanation of how Mike became the person he became. I was never curious in the least while he was on BB.
i think this will be more about how he got to where is from being a cop initially. Think there will be less on Gus and the others from BB

[Nastradamus]

I hope there is not too much focus on the Breaking Bad connections. The show is doing fine on it's own. I'm fine with the BB characters appearing and having their here and there, but I could do without a full explanation of how Mike became the person he became. I was never curious in the least while he was on BB.

Well the entire show is based on a Breaking Bad character and digging into his background. I wasn't that curious about Saul's necessarily either, but now that we're doing the damn thing, I think Mike's back story has potential to be very interesting.

[Thorpesaurous]

I have enjoyed the season so far. I like the idea of digging into Mike. Something has to bring the darker edge to the show that's playing it pretty light so far. And if you try to do it too much through Saul / Jimmy, you're gonna wind up betraying the character. Mike was brought into the BB scene through Saul, so a deep history between the two just makes sense. I will say this though, at some point Saul is gonna have to Break Bad a little, because right now his moral compass is making it a little tough to buy him laundering infinite amounts of Meth money.

One thing I'll say is that the show is just really well put together. I don't know why this surprised me. It's not as if I didn't know these guys knew how to make television. It's got a weird beat to it. The cold openings always play well. And I've noticed a particularly unique beat that they seem to take. The one that stands out most is the date episode. Where he goes on that date after the twins get their legs broken. The guy is eating the breadsticks. He gets drunk. They did a similar thing last night with the Old Folks' Home thing. It's usually accompanied by a musical overlay. And it generally comes off more as a skit than part of the narrative. It may stem from Odenkirk's skit comedy roots. I pretty much always watch the thing recorded on Tuesday's, so I'm ripping through commercials, and one of the things that makes it stand out is how quickly that one segment seems to run.

[rufuspaul]

I'm curious to learn Mike's story since he wouldn't have gotten involved with Walt if it weren't for Saul. It would also be interesting to see exactly where Chuck lost it, which I think we will eventually see.

[Droid101]

Am I the only one that noticed the nurse in tonight's episode? She was in Breaking Bad. The one that threatened to call security on Jesse because he kept trying to visit Brock.
I don't remember seeing that.

[GreggPopazit]

The toilet scene was so f'n funny.

[highwhey]

I don't remember seeing that.
It's true. You can confirm it by searching for T.C. Warner on idmb, she appeared in the latest episode of better call saul and episode 12 of season 4 in bb, also as a nurse.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Can someone explain to me what is the relationship between Chuck, Jimmy, Howard Hamlin and McGill?

Did Jimmy and Chuck used to work with Hamlin, then got fired, and now they're rivals?

[ZeN]

Can someone explain to me what is the relationship between Chuck, Jimmy, Howard Hamlin and McGill?

Did Jimmy and Chuck used to work with Hamlin, then got fired, and now they're rivals?
You might want to rematch all the episodes.. It's as if you're not even paying attention.

[christian1923]

:bowdown: :applause:

[guy]

Should've made this show about Mike instead.

[Kblaze8855]

Emmy.

[ZeN]

Emmy.




:applause:

[highwhey]

Mike is such a bada$$. I wish he was my grandpa.

GOAT grandfather

[RoseCity07]

Hearing tonight was great. Still have 50 min to wait.

Was this the best one yet? I think the show is solid but haven't been blown away yet by any one episode.

My favorite part happens to be that Saul opening scene for the series.

[ZeN]

Hearing tonight was great. Still have 50 min to wait.

Was this the best one yet? I think the show is solid but haven't been blown away yet by any one episode.

My favorite part happens to be that Saul opening scene for the series.
It's the best one yet In terms of acting and storytelling. It was a Mike tour de force.

[Sarcastic]

Tonight's episode

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[Bless Mathews]

Hearing tonight was great. Still have 50 min to wait.

Was this the best one yet? I think the show is solid but haven't been blown away yet by any one episode.

My favorite part happens to be that Saul opening scene for the series.

I was diss appointed with show so far.

But tonight's episode????!!!!!????

Damn. Next next next next level shit right there.

I still don't think Saul can carry a show by himself , but got damn, mike ripped it down tonight.

Better build on his story.

[ROCSteady]

Mike was always one of my favorites in Breaking Bad. A real cold badass. A more ruthless version of the Wolf from Pulp Fiction.

Good acting from him and nice getting more backstory/insight.


I knew he wasn't that hammered at the bar lol.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Brilliant ep. Mike's backstory is pretty awesome.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I was diss appointed with show so far.

But tonight's episode????!!!!!????

Damn. Next next next next level shit right there.

I still don't think Saul can carry a show by himself , but got damn, mike ripped it down tonight.

Better build on his story.
I wonder how involved Mike will be with this plot. Mike was the middle man between Gus and Saul, so it seems like Mike will have a pretty prominent role in BCS. Maybe not a Jesse type role, but it seems like he will be the main supporting character, which is awesome.

BE LIKE MIKE :applause:

[RoseCity07]

Missed first 7 minutes because I was playing 2k with a friend. Hope I didn't miss much. It's not surprising Mike wanted a lawyer. We know he hates cops. Whatever happened in Philly he didn't stop being a cop on his own will. He probably hates cops.

[Bless Mathews]

I wonder how involved Mike will be with this plot. Mike was the middle man between Gus and Saul, so it seems like Mike will have a pretty prominent role in BCS. Maybe not a Jesse type role, but it seems like he will be the main supporting character, which is awesome.

BE LIKE MIKE :applause:

I don't know how many seasons they will or can have.

Eventually the story has to connect the dots and lead to Gus.

Mike better keep playing a main supporting role in the show. He has to.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I don't know how many seasons they will or can have.

Eventually the story has to connect the dots and lead to Gus.

Mike better keep playing a main supporting role in the show. He has to.
I know there is at least a confirmed second season, but there's supposed to be a point in the show where it overlaps with Breaking Bad. Not sure if that will be in season 2, or just a plan for the future, but Vince Gilligan plans on it.

Let's face it though. This show ain't going nowhere. Ratings are probably quite good just because it has Breaking Bad chars/writers. I see a lot of people talking about it on reddit/fb and other sites, so I'm sure it's doing well

[J Shuttlesworth]

Also curious when Nacho comes back into the picture, and if we'll see Tuco again this season. Nacho did say he'll come after Saul, and I'm sure Mike will be playing a role in backing up Saul. Shit's about to go down :pimp:

[Giaodollo]

Can someone explain to me what is the relationship between Chuck, Jimmy, Howard Hamlin and McGill?

Did Jimmy and Chuck used to work with Hamlin, then got fired, and now they're rivals?

Chuck and Jimmy (Saul) are brothers. Hamlin and Chuck were partners in HHM, Hamlin, Hamlin, McGill. McGill stands for Chuck and not Jimmy, not sure about the other Hamlin, don't believe it has been revealed yet.


When is Mike getting his spin off? better come up with a name.

Mike 5-ohw

[J Shuttlesworth]

When is Mike getting his spin off? better come up with a name.

"Full Measures" :pimp:

[Thorpesaurous]

I thought it was awesome. But it didn't have the same bounciness as the rest of what we've seen. It sat longer in the flashbacks. Didn't circle around as many characters that appear to have longer arcs. I'm fine with that. I knew Mike was going to provide a darker side that the show just hasn't touched on yet. It just felt like more of a one off set up things than a real integrated part of the overall story.

[Tarik One]

I'm thinking that Mike's connection to Jesse Pinkman has something to do with his son.

[Giaodollo]

I'm thinking that Mike's connection to Jesse Pinkman has something to do with his son.

How so? Jesse is from Alburqueque unless I missed something. His son worked in Philadelphia.

[AlphaWolf24]

dude can act.....

Mike E

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[CelticBaller]

How so? Jesse is from Alburqueque unless I missed something. His son worked in Philadelphia.
jessie reminds him of his son

[Heavincent]

This episode made Mike's fate even more depressing.

[highwhey]

This episode made Mike's fate even more depressing.
Kaylee*

[Shade8780]

This episode made Mike's fate even more depressing.
Was thinking of it while watching the episode. I kind of forgot that he even died until now. Poor Mikey.

[Tarik One]

Was thinking of it while watching the episode. I kind of forgot that he even died until now. Poor Mikey.
Mike only has himself to blame for getting shot by Walt

[Droid101]

That episode was one of the best TV things ever. Seriously, think about that episode if you knew none of the characters from this or any show. It still stands strong.

Bravo.

[ButterFace]

Emmy.

Just watched the most recent episode. I don't think BB ever got me as close to crying as that.

[ButterFace]

That episode was one of the best TV things ever. Seriously, think about that episode if you knew none of the characters from this or any show. It still stands strong.

Bravo.

Exactly what I thought. Such a great contained episode.

[RoseCity07]

I like this show but I wish I didn't always compare it to Breaking Bad. It would be fun to watch this not knowing anything about Breaking Bad. Then watch BB when this series is finished. I'm actually glad everyone loves this show because I want them to keep making more. I'm still waiting for an episode so good I want to rewatch a few more times.

[ButterFace]

I like this show but I wish I didn't always compare it to Breaking Bad. It would be fun to watch this not knowing anything about Breaking Bad. Then watch BB when this series is finished. I'm actually glad everyone loves this show because I want them to keep making more. I'm still waiting for an episode so good I want to rewatch a few more times.

This last one didn't do it for you?

Also, I anticipate a great season finale considering how great BB season finales are.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

I broke my boy.
When all we've seen is week after week of nothing but stone-faced and solemn Mike, that just made the sudden outburst of emotion in his tearful confession to his daughter-in-law all the more heartbreaking. Whether it's from his drunk acting, is anger or his tears, That was some fantastic acting by Jonathan Banks.

That was a serious Emmy contending performance and episode right there.
Jonathan Banks should be up in the running for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series and the episode should be up for Outstanding Writing in a Drama Series.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I absolutely loved the episode tonight. Every scene felt important, and great. The sequence with Mike, the cash, and the blacklight was awesome.

[highwhey]

I absolutely loved the episode tonight. Every scene felt important, and great. The sequence with Mike, the cash, and the blacklight was awesome.
It was fvcking perfect

[Thorpesaurous]

I absolutely loved the episode tonight. Every scene felt important, and great. The sequence with Mike, the cash, and the blacklight was awesome.


I mentioned this before, but so far that beat, that sequence about 40 minutes in, that usually has little or no dialogue, and is overlayed pretty heavily with some musical piece, has been extremely well done.

They've played it for laughs, the drunken pretzel sticks. They've played it as a means to push plot, Saul's elder law add campaign. And last night it was played for tension and action with Mike's work.

It's a unique little mechanism that's worked great so far.

[johndeeregreen]

Series has been very good so far. I like the fake-outs so far in terms of making us think, "OK, so this is how Saul ended up going down that road." You keep waiting for that Shield-esque "Co-Pilot" moment where you see that doing things the right way has failed, and it was just easier to do it the wrong way, but Jimmy has resisted so far.

First it was with the guy who wanted info to jack the cash from the Kettlemans, then it was the bribe from the Kettlemans, then it was sacrificing them as clients to Kim. But what they're doing is strengthening the character by not simply turning him into a slimeball halfway through season one. The game isn't going to break him in one fell swoop; rather, it appears that it's going to take some pretty sustained, serious shit to turn him into what we know he becomes.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Brilliant episode. Just great cohesion. I didn't think they would top last week, but it comes close.

[ZeN]

The Breaking Bad team sure know how to make good TV.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Brilliant episode. Just great cohesion. I didn't think they would top last week, but it comes close.
Yeah I'm not sure it was really any worse than last week. I'd say the eps were on the same level. This has definitely been the best Saul-centric episode. I think there are 3 eps left till the finale, right?

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Yup 3 more left.

[ButterFace]

I absolutely loved the episode tonight. Every scene felt important, and great. The sequence with Mike, the cash, and the blacklight was awesome.

Definitely amazing. Didn't top the episode before it, but it is up there.

1. The Mike Episode
2. This most recent episode
3. The Tuco episode
4. The pilot

[Bless Mathews]

Gettin better every week.

Had my doubts first couple shows.

Now, a-1