Tony Stewart hits, kills driver Kevin Ward Jr. in sprint car race

[DaSeba5]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2014/08/10/tony-stewart-investigation-dirt-track-incident-kevin-ward-canandaigua-motorsports-park/13855401/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJdBd0437U

Do you think it was intentional?

[Smook A.]

Why THE HELL was the dude in the middle of the track in the first place?

[DaSeba5]

Why THE HELL was the dude in the middle of the track in the first place?

You're right, but that's nothing new. A lot of drivers do that.

[Smook A.]

You're right, but that's nothing new. A lot of drivers do that.
They're risking their lives by doing that crazy shit. The guy, Kevin Ward, got his life taken away just because he was pissed at another driver. He wanted to cuss him out, but instead got hit and later unfortunately died.

[DaSeba5]

They're risking their lives by doing that crazy shit. The guy, Kevin Ward, got his life taken away just because he was pissed at another driver. He wanted to cuss him out, but instead got hit and later unfortunately died.

Eye witness reports say he was ran over intentionally. I've seen people divided on this. We'll have to wait and see.

[JohnFreeman]

Possible manslaughter charge

[bdreason]

You're right, but that's nothing new. A lot of drivers do that.


No way. Especially not with midget racing. Those cars spend 90% of the race drifting out of control. That guy was out of his mind walking on the track like that.

[Smook A.]

Eye witness reports say he was ran over intentionally. I've seen people divided on this. We'll have to wait and see.
Kinda looks like it.

But in the end, both made a mistake. Kevin Ward shouldn't have ran out to the track and Tony Stewart should've been driving more carefully.

[DaSeba5]

No way. Especially not with midget racing. Those cars spend 90% of the race drifting out of control. That guy was out of his mind walking on the track like that.

Well either way I agree that it was dumb on his part.

[DaSeba5]

Kinda looks like it.

But in the end, both made a mistake. Kevin Ward shouldn't have ran out to the track and Tony Stewart should've been driving more carefully.

Agreed.

[KyleKong]

How can people say it looked intentional?

Because Kevin Ward was on the track, and Tony Stewart was driving his car on the track? :biggums:

Anyone, that is a shitty and very sad tragedy. RIP.

[BrainDead]

Dam, just watched this on Sportscenter. RIP

I wonder what injury caused his death......did he break his neck or what?

[9erempiree]

I don't know if he intentionally hit him but knowing Stewart, he has a temper problem. He didn't hit him but he was playing chicken with the kid. The kid didn't belong in the middle of the track so Stewart came at him hoping the kid get out of the way and he didn't.

Very unfortunate.

[PHX_Phan]

:facepalm

Going off of the comments, I figured dude crashed in the middle of the track and was hit trying to run off. He crashed off to the side and ran TOWARDS where the cars were racing?

Hard to blame the other driver when the guy put himself out there like that. He started moving inside fast a few seconds before he was hit...imagine seeing that from the perspective of one of those cars moving fast. A few seconds is not a lot of time to adjust whether it was to swerve away or towards the guy.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Dudes temper got him killed.
Was it really worth it to try and talk sh1t?
It doesn't pay to try and be a tough guy

[dunksby]

I'm racing fan and what Kevin did was among the most stupid moves I have ever seen. Tony Stewart didn't do him any kindness either he did end the guy's life while he could have avoided it.

[Im so nba'd out]

The guy prolly thought Tony Stewart recked him on purpose and ruined his race.So he stood on the track on purpose to force him to stop and ruin his race.Stewart didn't stop doe thinking he was bluffing.Very sad :eek:



edit: I think he did it on purpose smh

[Magic731]

fvcking idiot

[flipogb]

when I first saw it I thought his car flipped, dumb as hell to even get out of the car when ur not upside down or on fire.

[OncePerMonth]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2014/08/10/tony-stewart-investigation-dirt-track-incident-kevin-ward-canandaigua-motorsports-park/13855401/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJdBd0437U

Do you think it was intentional?

Doubt it is intentional, but it is, that is ****ed up.

[PHX_Phan]

Why are people even assuming it was intentional? Tony hit him with the back of his car fishtailing out while still going pretty fast. Who really expected the other dude to start running towards his car pointing like that?

At best, he's guilty of failing to avoid an idiot running towards his car on the track. He should have never been put in a position to have to avoid a driver running at him.

**** was he going to do to him while he was flying by in his car anyway?

[IamRAMBO24]

Why are people even assuming it was intentional? Tony hit him with the back of his car fishtailing out while still going pretty fast. Who really expected the other dude to start running towards his car pointing like that?

At best, he's guilty of failing to avoid an idiot running towards his car on the track. He should have never been put in a position to have to avoid a driver running at him.

**** was he going to do to him while he was flying by in his car anyway?

It looks intentional. You can see Tony steering right into him as he approaches. Other cars were able to avoid him because he was not standing directly in their way. Tony is speeding up, heading in his direction, and at the last minute when he was about to jump out of the way, he steers the car right into him.

You don't speed up and turn right into the guy if you are trying to avoid him.

[IamRAMBO24]

Here is a better angle of Tony clearly making a sharp turn right into him:

http://deadspin.com/reports-tony-stewart-ran-over-opposing-driver-during-1618893708

[oh the horror]

Here is a better angle of Tony clearly making a sharp turn right into him:

http://deadspin.com/reports-tony-stewart-ran-over-opposing-driver-during-1618893708



That's like the same video that was posted.


Looks like the driver should have slowed down initially but since he didn't his car slid nicely into the guy standing there. As someone said he played chicken with the guy and hit him.

[Warfan]

I had to rewatch it because I didn't notice the 'confrontation'. So Kevin clipped the back of his car then span out, then went into the middle of the track trying to tell him off or whatever :facepalm

It does kind of seem like he steered to the right, but looks he did it after he hit the guy, maybe the car just slid. It really was something that was avoidable. Sad...

[IamRAMBO24]

when I first saw it I thought his car flipped, dumb as hell to even get out of the car when ur not upside down or on fire.

This sh*t happens all the time:

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nascar-from-the-marbles/with-one-saturday-night--the-way-we-view-on-track-confrontations-changed-084240651.html

Drivers get out of their cars all the time. Whenever there is a crash, a caution light goes up and all cars slow down. Tony ignores the caution light, speeds up, and turns right into the guy gesturing at him off.

[IamRAMBO24]

I had to rewatch it because I didn't notice the 'confrontation'. So Kevin clipped the back of his car then span out, then went into the middle of the track trying to tell him off or whatever :facepalm

It does kind of seem like he steered to the right, but looks he did it after he hit the guy, maybe the car just slid. It really was something that was avoidable. Sad...

Witnesses said he hit the pedal as soon as he was in striking distance.

[IamRAMBO24]

I had to rewatch it because I didn't notice the 'confrontation'. So Kevin clipped the back of his car then span out, then went into the middle of the track trying to tell him off or whatever :facepalm

.

Are you watching the same sh*t? It's pretty obvious Tony clipped him into the wall with his tail. They were going at it throughout the entire race. If Kevin clipped him from behind, he would of spun his tail and not just bounce back and fly into the wall. I swear some of you are f*ckin blind.

[Warfan]

Are you watching the same sh*t? It's pretty obvious Tony clipped him into the wall with his tail. They were going at it throughout the entire race.

I meant 'kevin got clipped by the back of his car', 'his' being Tony's. Then was saying Kevin was really fukking stupid to go out and try to tell him off.

[nathanjizzle]

it was intentional. but what kind of intentional was it? it seems like he was just trying to scare the dude by driving real close and lost some control of the car and hit the guy.

[MP.Trey]

I don't know shit about racing but that looks like suicide to me. R.I.P but damn, you put yourself in harms way like that, there is consequences.

[jamal99]

That was really, really stupid...
What was the guy thinking?

[Godzuki]

looks intentional to me. i would like to see a further away camera view but it definitely looks like he went into him and didn't care too much. he still doesn't care, he's racing today, no conscience.

yeah the other guy is a idiot for getting out of his car but it looked like he assumed Stewart would drive by him and not into him. Stewart made no effort to avoid him, if anything veered into him if you look at his initial turn right when he comes into the clip.

race car fans will stick up for Stewart though, they're bias.

[Meticode]

How can people say it looked intentional
It's not really that it looked intentional, it's the fact Stewart has always pushed the envelope is probably the most controversial NASCAR driver today. A lot of people wouldn't put it past Stewart to do this.

Plus it doesn't help that the car that slide his car off the track was Stewart's #14, then the next time around the track he hits him and kills him.

[DCL]

looked like he just wanted to scare him to move him out, instead, he f--king killed him. that kid was making eye contact and pointing straight at him for a pretty long time. i don't believe tony stewart was surprised at all. he should have had a while to react, but instead of getting away, he decided to zoom by the kid. well, he misjudged and now the kid is dead. tony stewart should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

[GOBB]

Why would anyone get out of a car, walk on to a race track with cars still going at a considerable speed to give a driver some finger waving :no:

What ever happened to waiting in the pit or after the face to give him a fist full of your feelings? I've seen some guys literally run towards a car trying to avoid the confrontation all together and they toss their helmet. As if they were upset the guy didnt stop and get out.

I dont watch this crap of a sport obviously and it seems Tony Stewart rep doesn't help this situation. But the dearly departed on a dark track, wearing black could have prevented this.

[BigBoss]

Manslaughter. He'll get off on probation though.

[Meticode]

Why would anyone get out of a car, walk on to a race track with cars still going at a considerable speed to give a driver some finger waving :no:
Racers do this all the time on these dirt tracks. I think after this that might change though. Or maybe there will be some type of rule enforced.

I think the thing that makes it look bad is that Stewart is the one that caused him to crash, then the next lap he hits him. If Stewart wasn't involved in the crash in the first place no one would question that the accident was indeed an accident.

[BigBoss]

Racers do this all the time on these dirt tracks. I think after this that might change though. Or maybe there will be some type of rule enforced.

I think the thing that makes it look bad is that Stewart is the one that caused him to crash, then the next lap he hits him. If Stewart wasn't involved in the crash in the first place no one would question that the accident was indeed an accident.

It looks bad to the general public. You can't prove that in a court room. It'll haunt him forever though. Kid was only 20 years old.

[Bandito]

Kinda looks like it.

But in the end, both made a mistake. Kevin Ward shouldn't have ran out to the track and Tony Stewart should've been driving more carefully.
Driving more carefully? They're in the middle of a race. Nobody is driving carefully.

[Meticode]

It looks bad to the general public. You can't prove that in a court room. It'll haunt him forever though. Kid was only 20 years old.
What makes it look worse to me is that he's still going to race today in NASCAR. It comes off like Stewart doesn't care about what happened and he's going to get behind the wheel anyway and go almost 200 MPH the following day.

Maybe he released a statement or something that would help.

[bagelred]

Can't believe people blaming Kevin Ward for his actions. Kinda like blaming a woman for being raped because she wore a short skirt. "She was asking for it!"

Of course, Ward getting out of his car isn't bright....but in essence what he was doing was "standing on the sidewalk." If you stand on sidewalk in New York, waiting to cross....and a car takes a bad swerve, you are dead. You're gonna blame people now waiting to cross? "Shoulda been 10 more feet back. You were asking for it." :oldlol:

It looked like Tony Stewart purposely swerves right into him. Even if Ward is stupid standing with cars whizzing by, doesn't give driver right to use his vehicle as a weapon. You know, like, the expression "the pedestrian always has the right of way." Why is that? Because the pedestrian doesn't have a deadly weapon and the driver does....even if the pedestrian is a moron.

Should be guilty of manslaughter but I'm sure he'll get out of it..."an accident."

[DCL]

it's like playing with a loaded gun. you might not have had intentions to kill your friend, but if your dumb ass "accidentally" aim at his direction and shoot and kill him, your ass should be charged. some people are saying tony stewart didn't see him and had no time to react. i don't buy that at all. a driver at his level and with his experience should had been well aware of everything ahead of him. the car in front of him already braked hard to avoid that kid, that should had already fully alerted stewart that some object was on the track, yet he didn't give a shit. he probably had at least 5 seconds or more to see that kid was closing in.

[MP.Trey]

Can't believe people blaming Kevin Ward for his actions. Kinda like blaming a woman for being raped because she wore a short skirt. "She was asking for it!"

Of course, Ward getting out of his car isn't bright....but in essence what he was doing was "standing on the sidewalk." If you stand on sidewalk in New York, waiting to cross....and a car takes a bad swerve, you are dead. You're gonna blame people now waiting to cross? "Shoulda been 10 more feet back. You were asking for it." :oldlol:

It looked like Tony Stewart purposely swerves right into him. Even if Ward is stupid standing with cars whizzing by, doesn't give driver right to use his vehicle as a weapon. You know, like, the expression "the pedestrian always has the right of way." Why is that? Because the pedestrian doesn't have a deadly weapon and the driver does....even if the pedestrian is a moron.

Should be guilty of manslaughter but I'm sure he'll get out of it..."an accident."
umm... no, in essence what he was doing was standing in the middle of the f*cking freeway taunting an oncoming driver.

[Meticode]

Looks like Stewart will NOT race today. He's going to be subbed. Posted nearly an hour ago.

Good call. He needs to take a step back and acknowledge the situation.

[bagelred]

umm... no, in essence what he was doing was standing in the middle of the f*cking freeway taunting an oncoming driver.

He wasn't even close to being "in the middle of the fcking freeway" and it still doesn't give the right of a driver to purposely swerve right into him and kill him.

"He was asking for it!"

[Meticode]

it's like playing with a loaded gun. you might not have had intentions to kill your friend, but if your dumb ass "accidentally" aim at his direction and shoot and kill him, your ass should be charged. some people are saying tony stewart didn't see him and had no time to react. i don't buy that at all. a driver at his level and with his experience should had been well aware of everything ahead of him. the car in front of him already braked hard to avoid that kid, that should had already fully alerted stewart that some object was on the track, yet he didn't give a shit. he probably had at least 5 seconds or more to see that kid was closing in.
This is a bad comparison. The driver was right in the middle of the damn track. If he was possibly near his car off to the side I would consider that the "sidewalk" but he walks ten's of feet from his car actually avoiding some cars to just point and curse at Stewart's #14.

[HomieWeMajor]

I can't believe some of you :no:
I will not stay in this thread to see Kevin Ward Jr dragged through the mud

[MP.Trey]

He wasn't even close to being "in the middle of the fcking freeway" and it still doesn't give the right of a driver to purposely swerve right into him and kill him.

"He was asking for it!"
In the middle of a racecar track then. I don't care if it's considered normal in their "sport" but playing human frogger during a sprint car race is extremely dangerous and not even close to "standing on a sidewalk". F*ck outta here with that.

Throwing accusations with no proof doesn't make it true that he "purposely swerved" into him either.

[DCL]

This is a bad comparison. The driver was right in the middle of the damn track. If he was possibly near his car off to the side I would consider that the "sidewalk" but he walks ten's of feet from his car actually avoiding some cars to just point and curse at Stewart's #14.

when you kill somebody by doing something stupid, it's the same. some people keep on defending stewart like he had absolutely no idea the kid was there until he hit him. i just don't buy that. a driver of his level should have vision all over the track and also reaction time quicker than any average driver. the car in front of stewart already braked hard. that was already a big heads up. he had options to get away, yet he decided to zoom by. stupid decision. now the kid is dead.

[BrainDead]

I can't believe some of you :no:
I will not stay in this thread to see Kevin Ward Jr dragged through the mud
Probably could have used a better choice of words

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rYDtg7qgRA

Basically this

[Meticode]

when you kill somebody by doing something stupid, it's the same. some people keep on defending stewart like he had absolutely no idea the kid was there until he hit him. i just don't buy that. a driver of his level should have vision all over the track and also reaction time quicker than any average driver. the car in front of stewart already braked hard. that was already a big heads up. he had options to get away, yet he decided to zoom by. stupid decision. now the kid is dead.
Ward and Stewart both made bad choices last night. Ward was right in the racing area avoiding cars. Long story short, Kevin Ward would probably still be alive if he remained in his car or off to the side of it instead of walking out towards the race in the heat of the moment. I think everyone can probably agree with that.

[DeuceWallaces]

Can't believe people blaming Kevin Ward for his actions. Kinda like blaming a woman for being raped because she wore a short skirt. "She was asking for it!"

Of course, Ward getting out of his car isn't bright....but in essence what he was doing was "standing on the sidewalk." If you stand on sidewalk in New York, waiting to cross....and a car takes a bad swerve, you are dead. You're gonna blame people now waiting to cross? "Shoulda been 10 more feet back. You were asking for it." :oldlol:

It looked like Tony Stewart purposely swerves right into him. Even if Ward is stupid standing with cars whizzing by, doesn't give driver right to use his vehicle as a weapon. You know, like, the expression "the pedestrian always has the right of way." Why is that? Because the pedestrian doesn't have a deadly weapon and the driver does....even if the pedestrian is a moron.

Should be guilty of manslaughter but I'm sure he'll get out of it..."an accident."

Those are two terribly asinine analogies. The guy got out in walked into the middle of the track; Tony did him no favors by gunning it.

[bagelred]

Those are two terribly asinine analogies. The guy got out in walked into the middle of the track; Tony did him no favors by gunning it.

Did Tony Stewart hit him on purpose...yes or no.

"Derr...we'll never know..."...uh, when a professional driver all of sudden swerves right at a guy on the track, it's intentional. That's all that matters. Even if Ward was stupid for standing there.

And my analogies are awesome...as usual.....

[DCL]

Ward and Stewart both made bad choices last night. Ward was right in the racing area avoiding cars. Long story short, Kevin Ward would probably still be alive if he remained in his car or off to the side of it instead of walking out towards the race in the heat of the moment. I think everyone can probably agree with that.

that kid was definitely out of his friggin mind. he's already dead, so i'm not gonna state the obvious in how incredibly dumb he was. but maybe he wouldn't be dead now if stewart didn't challenge him at "chicken."

[DeuceWallaces]

Did Tony Stewart hit him on purpose...yes or no.

"Derr...we'll never know..."...uh, when a professional driver all of sudden swerves right at a guy on the track, it's intentional. That's all that matters. Even if Ward was stupid for standing there.

And my analogies are awesome...as usual.....

Stewart is an idiot and we won't ever know, but that kid is in the middle of the track; I'm not exactly sure what Stewart was supposed to do.

[kenuffff]

there is a caution flag, everyone else drives by slowly then when stewart gets there he guns the gas.. yeah ok its the kid's fault . this is like the ref calls time in a boxing match then the other boxer hits the guy while he is walking away and kills him.

[bagelred]

I'm not exactly sure what Stewart was supposed to do.

Not swerve his car towards him and kill him. That's what he is not supposed to do.

[Godzuki]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rYDtg7qgRA

Basically this


the thing that makes me laugh is people defending Stewart pretend he was trying to dust him :oldlol:

u cant dust someone going that fast, in that direct a line, from his acceleration point to make that sharp a turn. he'd have to have done a complete 90 degree turn and stop on a dime. some race car fans are so stupid bias.

anyways he's right about the Go Pro, it'll probably show a lot more and from a earlier point to see what Stewart saw. Its pretty obvious he HAD to have seen him much earlier and Ward walking out like that IMO is assuming Stewart would have along with every other driver....its like when you're walking across the street and walking into a car knowing your step is right behind where the car is headed....but again Stewart veered right into him.

these guys aren't seeing 1 ft ahead of them when they drive, but most people are retarded and bias for a big name guy vs a no name. i'm interested in what other race car drivers have to say but i don't have much faith because they'll probably side with the famous guy they're friends with over the no name scrub.

[DeuceWallaces]

http://i.imgur.com/F7mtCzk.png

He's standing in the middle of the track pointing at Stewarts car.

[Godzuki]

there is a caution flag, everyone else drives by slowly then when stewart gets there he guns the gas.. yeah ok its the kid's fault . this is like the ref calls time in a boxing match then the other boxer hits the guy while he is walking away and kills him.


yeah thats the other give away against Stewart...he had to have known there was a wreck right there and to be extra careful.

[Godzuki]

http://i.imgur.com/F7mtCzk.png

He's standing in the middle of the track pointing at Stewarts car.


the other excuse Stewart fans are making is he was hard to see. Cmon that is not hard to see. it was a well lit track, black stands out in that light with the shiny helmet....some of these excuses are horrible :rolleyes:

PS that angle doesn't show the amount of space on the left side or its misleading since there was more space than the angle of that shot shows.

[stalkerforlife]

Feel bad for all involved. God rest his soul.

Damn.

[moaz]

Feel bad for all involved. God rest his soul.

Damn.

I don't fell bad for axxhole stewart. The idiot wanted to start tonight before he was pulled out. Any decent human wouldn't even think about starting after causing the death of someone (intentionally or not).

[DCL]

you can google tony stewart's vision.

it's 20/13 in one eye and 20/15 in the other.

in other words, his vision is laser sharp.

[magic chiongson]

wait, did tony stewart hit kevin ward's car(or whatever it is called) before hitting him again after a lap?

also, do all nascar drivers drive different kinds of vehicles? i know i've seen a truck race

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rYDtg7qgRA

Basically this

Stewart is a killer... Life sentence please

[BigBoss]

Stewart is a killer... Life sentence please

Don't race car drivers sign disclosures in regards to potential dangers like this? I know people are saying its vehicular man slaughter but this didnt happen on a normal road..

[DCL]

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/02/29/sports/playmagazine/SPORTS_TRAINING_GRAPHIC.html?_r=0

[chosen_one6]

the other excuse Stewart fans are making is he was hard to see. Cmon that is not hard to see. it was a well lit track, black stands out in that light with the shiny helmet....some of these excuses are horrible :rolleyes:

PS that angle doesn't show the amount of space on the left side or its misleading since there was more space than the angle of that shot shows.

Yeah, it stands out for us from that angle, but what about from the level on the track? Dude had a helmet on, it's at night, the guy on the track is wearing all black and the track is a very dark, dark brown. I'm not defending the guy but let's not act like the lighting was great at all.

[Meticode]

I never noticed this, but in that video after the caution comes out, you can literally hear all the other cars rev down and start going slow, then right before Stewart hits the kid you hear a car rev up (assuming it's Stewart) and then he hits Ward.

[Godzuki]

Yeah, it stands out for us from that angle, but what about from the level on the track? Dude had a helmet on, it's at night, the guy on the track is wearing all black and the track is a very dark, dark brown. I'm not defending the guy but let's not act like the lighting was great at all.


i think under the lights... black, especially shiny black reflection does stand out. he also had red stripes across his side of the suit but still i think its a really poor excuse people are using, along with most of the excuses i'm reading for Stewart.

best one obviously is the guy shouldn't have been on the track at all but they do that shit, even Stewart has done it,.. assuming the other drivers are aware enough to see and go by the side which they usually do.

[DeuceWallaces]

I never noticed this, but in that video after the caution comes out, you can literally hear all the other cars rev down and start going slow, then right before Stewart hits the kid you hear a car rev up (assuming it's Stewart) and then he hits Ward.

He was standing on the side when the other cars went by and then he walked further into the middle of the track to front Stewart as his car approached.

[Meticode]

He was standing on the side when the other cars went by and then he walked further into the middle of the track to front Stewart as his car approached.
WE'll fine out. Apparently the police took Stewart's car and there are video and audio recordings taken in those cars. They'll be able to see Stewart's field of view and any recordings right before he hit Ward. So if there is anything malicious said before he hits him, Stewart is going to get charged.

[9erempiree]

He didn't hit him intentionally.

I think Stewart was playing chicken with the guy and unfortunately the guy didn't move and Stewart didn't swerve away. Stewart and everyone knows damn well you don't stand in the middle of the track, therefore, if you get hit then oh well. Too bad this time someone died.

Kind of like if you run out on the highway. Don't expect people to stop for you because someone can hit you on purpose and they too, will get off free.

I bet that was Tony's mindset.

[ace23]

Yeah that's homicide. Bet he'll get charged with manslaughter though.

[DCL]

tony stewart had all the time in the world to avoid that disaster yet he had to continue to drive like an insane psychopath. he was basically driving like, "you dare to f--k with me??? okay, i'll f--k with you!" and before he could come to any senses and tone it down, bam! too late. he already hit and fking killed the kid. voluntarily or involuntarily, it is manslaughter.

[9erempiree]

tony stewart had all the time in the world to avoid that disaster yet he had to continue to drive like an insane psychopath. he was basically driving like, "you dare to f--k with me??? okay, i'll f--k with you!" and before he could come to any senses and tone it down, bam! too late. he already hit and fking killed the kid. voluntarily or involuntarily, it is manslaughter.

This....but I don't think he intended it to be fatal.

[BasedTom]

I don't follow NASCAR at all, but ESPN sometimes shows these incidents where drivers get out and bitch at the person who caused them to crash. Stewart apparently has history with that himself. My friend was telling me how this was like one of those "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong" skits on Chappelle's Show. Ward made a bad decision trying to get out of his car and taunt Stewart, and Stewart was negligent at best with his handling of the car.

Regardless of intent and all that other stuff, the result of this is that Ward's life is over at the age of 17. Stewart is going to lose a lot of money and time over this.

[gts]

Ok I'm going to make one comment on this...

some of you know I'm involved in racing...

when looking at last night incident this is not a simple matter with one finger to be pointed in one direction.

I'm not even going to debate or discuss whether it was intentional or not, that's just dumb to even entertain that line of thought so I'll leave that to the idiots...

I don't know Kevin Ward and I'll be honest I've never been a Tony Stewart fan but that's neither here nor there and what I say is not meant to sway opinions one way or the other, it's to just offer up some clarity into the situation

There's a lot of dynamics involved here that aligned to create last night's tragedy


I've never done the sprint car tour but I've spent enough time in one screwing around to say they're nothing like you'd imagine watching them.. You can't move you're sitting upright like a bus driver, your foot is trapped on the gas pedal by a cage so it doesn't get bounced off. There's no clutch and the brakes are there for steering the car at speed, slowing it down is their secondary purpose...

There are no mirrors

the cars at any speed are bouncy and vibrate like crazy, they're made to go fast not slow and they are every bit the handful to drive at moderate clip as at speed, they are meant to be driven with the back end out and sliding, not going straight and everything about the car's design is built to make driving it sideways easier than driving it straight

You can't see out of the cars very well, the body work is high all around you, basically somewhere between your shoulders and chin level... your helmet limits your peripheral vision to some extent so you have to look at what you want to see, there's tubes everywhere some with padding the seat wraps around your head to add crash support... there's a screen in front of you instead of a windshield, it's there to collect chunks of mud and other crap from hitting your head, it can load up with enough mud/rubber that your view forward is hampered

When you crash you stay in the car unless it's on fire or you have fuel leaking, you're safer in the car with your belts on waiting for the safety guys to show up then you are getting out of the car. Nearly every drivers meeting I've been in or at any clinic I've instructed the importance of staying in your car after an incident is mentioned.

The initial incident/contact was a racing incident and nothing more Ward got upset but meh it was his job to protect his corners and he failed... Watching the video and knowing what I've described above there's a chance Stewart never even knew he had made contact with Ward and Ward had crashed, but we'll have to wait for Stewart to say if that's true...

Ward never should have ventured that far out on the track, that was an horrible decision but adrenaline/redmist had probably taken over at that point and good decisions were going to be hard to come by...

As a driver in that situation you're not looking for the other driver wandering out on the track, you're looking for safety trucks, the yellow is out you're looking at your gauges, fiddling with the brake bias, or weight jackers.. basically taking stock of your racecar and yourself, checking out the track condition, there's a laundry list of things to do and it's the first chance you've had since the green flag waved to think about anything but driving the racecar and when you come to that area of the track you're human and you're probably looking at the car that crashed to see if the driver is moving because that's where he's supposed to be

obviously the poor lighting, the dark suit on a the dirt track with a black racecar as a backdrop played it's role in this tragedy but that is what it is... when we choose paint schemes for our cars and sponsors colors we think about what looks good and nothing else


The rev of the engine you hear is because the car lost traction on Wards body it's not Stewart gunning the gas.... Those cars have over 600 horsepower on tap, if Stewart had nailed the throttle Ward's body would have landed in the next county

forgive the typos, that was the largest thing I've ever typed on a phone...lol

[knickballer]

It was in the spare of the moment

[IamRAMBO24]

1. I like how some of you are saying it wasn't intentional and that Tony was playing chicken. That's like saying a murderer wasn't going to kill the guy, the guy just failed to get out of the way.

2. It was intentional because Tony was gunning towards his path. Eye witnesses said he was accelerating faster as he came closer and you could see clearly in the video he turned sharply into him causing his car to drift for a split second. That was a kill maneuver. He knew he was there, had every intention of speeding up, and made sure he fishbone him before he could jump out of the way. If he wanted to avoid him, he would of slowed down and turned to the opposite side.

3. After hitting him, he didn't stop. This is a huge factor. In accidents, drivers tend to stop; when it is an act of maliciousness, the drivers would subconsciously keep going. He had no concern for what he hit hence why he kept on driving. His only concern was to drive to the pit and hide all the the evidences. He knew what he did was wrong.

[Godzuki]

Ok I'm going to make one comment on this...

some of you know I'm involved in racing...

when looking at last night incident this is not a simple matter with one finger to be pointed in one direction.

I'm not even going to debate or discuss whether it was intentional or not, that's just dumb to even entertain that line of thought so I'll leave that to the idiots...

I don't know Kevin Ward and I'll be honest I've never been a Tony Stewart fan but that's neither here nor there and what I say is not meant to sway opinions one way or the other, it's to just offer up some clarity into the situation

There's a lot of dynamics involved here that aligned to create last night's tragedy


I've never done the sprint car tour but I've spent enough time in one screwing around to say they're nothing like you'd imagine watching them.. You can't move you're sitting upright like a bus driver, your foot is trapped on the gas pedal by a cage so it doesn't get bounced off. There's no clutch and the brakes are there for steering the car at speed, slowing it down is their secondary purpose...

There are no mirrors

the cars at any speed are bouncy and vibrate like crazy, they're made to go fast not slow and they are every bit the handful to drive at moderate clip as at speed, they are meant to be driven with the back end out and sliding, not going straight and everything about the car's design is built to make driving it sideways easier than driving it straight

You can't see out of the cars very well, the body work is high all around you, basically somewhere between your shoulders and chin level... your helmet limits your peripheral vision to some extent so you have to look at what you want to see, there's tubes everywhere some with padding the seat wraps around your head to add crash support... there's a screen in front of you instead of a windshield, it's there to collect chunks of mud and other crap from hitting your head, it can load up with enough mud/rubber that your view forward is hampered

When you crash you stay in the car unless it's on fire or you have fuel leaking, you're safer in the car with your belts on waiting for the safety guys to show up then you are getting out of the car. Nearly every drivers meeting I've been in or at any clinic I've instructed the importance of staying in your car after an incident is mentioned.

The initial incident/contact was a racing incident and nothing more Ward got upset but meh it was his job to protect his corners and he failed... Watching the video and knowing what I've described above there's a chance Stewart never even knew he had made contact with Ward and Ward had crashed, but we'll have to wait for Stewart to say if that's true...

Ward never should have ventured that far out on the track, that was an horrible decision but adrenaline/redmist had probably taken over at that point and good decisions were going to be hard to come by...

As a driver in that situation you're not looking for the other driver wandering out on the track, you're looking for safety trucks, the yellow is out you're looking at your gauges, fiddling with the brake bias, or weight jackers.. basically taking stock of your racecar and yourself, checking out the track condition, there's a laundry list of things to do and it's the first chance you've had since the green flag waved to think about anything but driving the racecar and when you come to that area of the track you're human and you're probably looking at the car that crashed to see if the driver is moving because that's where he's supposed to be

obviously the poor lighting, the dark suit on a the dirt track with a black racecar as a backdrop played it's role in this tragedy but that is what it is... when we choose paint schemes for our cars and sponsors colors we think about what looks good and nothing else


The rev of the engine you hear is because the car lost traction on Wards body it's not Stewart gunning the gas.... Those cars have over 600 horsepower on tap, if Stewart had nailed the throttle Ward's body would have landed in the next county

forgive the typos, that was the largest thing I've ever typed on a phone...lol


no offense but i'm not buying a lot of what you're selling. its contrary to whats i'm seeing but this is why i do not take people who say they are authorities of things over what i see/know because everyone tends to see things differently according to their own bias, perception, etc..

furthermore there are race car drivers who are calling Stewart guilty so its not like its some universal in the know thing of knowing...

i can point out stuff that you stated that i have issue with but i won't bother for now. not really trying to get into a big back and forth right now, maybe durinng the work week...

[PHX_Phan]

Lol at people saying it was intentional from that video. You can't even see his ****ing SPRINT CAR in the camera angle until it's 20 feet from him. No one can say whether or not he was serving from that distance. This isn't your little Corolla traveling at public road speeds. Shit doesn't turn or stop on a dime, especially a high horsepower vehicle in the dirt.

Some of you lack some serious perspective. Sitting at ground level in one of those cars with a helmet on is different from a guy sitting in the stands that were designed to view the entire track. We had a fixed angle on the kid the whole way through while Tony lost sight of his car moments after they clipped and drove around the track. There's no way he could see or expect that the kid was going to be pissed off in the middle of the track coming around the turn, especially if he's looking around where his car is assuming he's still in or around it.

Moral of the story is he should not have been out in the middle of the track like that, and with his damn car on the shoulder so no one can even swing to the outside of the track to avoid him.

[DCL]

Ok I'm going to make one comment on this...

some of you know I'm involved in racing...

when looking at last night incident this is not a simple matter with one finger to be pointed in one direction.

I'm not even going to debate or discuss whether it was intentional or not, that's just dumb to even entertain that line of thought so I'll leave that to the idiots...

I don't know Kevin Ward and I'll be honest I've never been a Tony Stewart fan but that's neither here nor there and what I say is not meant to sway opinions one way or the other, it's to just offer up some clarity into the situation

There's a lot of dynamics involved here that aligned to create last night's tragedy


I've never done the sprint car tour but I've spent enough time in one screwing around to say they're nothing like you'd imagine watching them.. You can't move you're sitting upright like a bus driver, your foot is trapped on the gas pedal by a cage so it doesn't get bounced off. There's no clutch and the brakes are there for steering the car at speed, slowing it down is their secondary purpose...

There are no mirrors

the cars at any speed are bouncy and vibrate like crazy, they're made to go fast not slow and they are every bit the handful to drive at moderate clip as at speed, they are meant to be driven with the back end out and sliding, not going straight and everything about the car's design is built to make driving it sideways easier than driving it straight

You can't see out of the cars very well, the body work is high all around you, basically somewhere between your shoulders and chin level... your helmet limits your peripheral vision to some extent so you have to look at what you want to see, there's tubes everywhere some with padding the seat wraps around your head to add crash support... there's a screen in front of you instead of a windshield, it's there to collect chunks of mud and other crap from hitting your head, it can load up with enough mud/rubber that your view forward is hampered

When you crash you stay in the car unless it's on fire or you have fuel leaking, you're safer in the car with your belts on waiting for the safety guys to show up then you are getting out of the car. Nearly every drivers meeting I've been in or at any clinic I've instructed the importance of staying in your car after an incident is mentioned.

The initial incident/contact was a racing incident and nothing more Ward got upset but meh it was his job to protect his corners and he failed... Watching the video and knowing what I've described above there's a chance Stewart never even knew he had made contact with Ward and Ward had crashed, but we'll have to wait for Stewart to say if that's true...

Ward never should have ventured that far out on the track, that was an horrible decision but adrenaline/redmist had probably taken over at that point and good decisions were going to be hard to come by...

As a driver in that situation you're not looking for the other driver wandering out on the track, you're looking for safety trucks, the yellow is out you're looking at your gauges, fiddling with the brake bias, or weight jackers.. basically taking stock of your racecar and yourself, checking out the track condition, there's a laundry list of things to do and it's the first chance you've had since the green flag waved to think about anything but driving the racecar and when you come to that area of the track you're human and you're probably looking at the car that crashed to see if the driver is moving because that's where he's supposed to be

obviously the poor lighting, the dark suit on a the dirt track with a black racecar as a backdrop played it's role in this tragedy but that is what it is... when we choose paint schemes for our cars and sponsors colors we think about what looks good and nothing else


The rev of the engine you hear is because the car lost traction on Wards body it's not Stewart gunning the gas.... Those cars have over 600 horsepower on tap, if Stewart had nailed the throttle Ward's body would have landed in the next county

forgive the typos, that was the largest thing I've ever typed on a phone...lol


you sure make A LOT of excuses for the guy.

regardless of what you *think* stewart saw or didn't see in his car before the turn, you can't make any excuse that he didn't see shit right before the incident when the car in front of him already braked hard and swerved to get out of the way from hitting ward. there was a decent time gap for stewart to see that and adjust to get low or change speed, yet he did the opposite: he stayed on path and even accelerated. what's your bullshit excuse for that?

[Godzuki]

Lol at people saying it was intentional from that video. You can't even see his ****ing SPRINT CAR in the camera angle until it's 20 feet from him. No one can say whether or not he was serving from that distance. This isn't your little Corolla traveling at public road speeds. Shit doesn't turn or stop on a dime, especially a high horsepower vehicle in the dirt.

Some of you lack some serious perspective. Sitting at ground level in one of those cars with a helmet on is different from a guy sitting in the stands that were designed to view the entire track. We had a fixed angle on the kid the whole way through while Tony lost sight of his car moments after they clipped and drove around the track. There's no way he could see or expect that the kid was going to be pissed off in the middle of the track coming around the turn, especially if he's looking around where his car is assuming he's still in or around it.

Moral of the story is he should not have been out in the middle of the track like that, and with his damn car on the shoulder so no one can even swing to the outside of the track to avoid him.

Give me a break, they see way more than 1-2 ft ahead of them, don't feed us that BS. reminds me of the BS NASCAR fans always yap about how they all need to be in top physical condition like pro athletes to drive a race car which isn't really true. Everything is always exaggerated by people who are 'authorities' on things most of the time.

there is a thing called emotion...road rage...seeing some punk trying to come at you and being like fukk ths idiot in the spur of the moment. Shit happens on regular roads all of the time with road rage stuff...

don't feed us nobody could see him because he was in black when the very well lit course is reflecting the light off of him where he is very easily visible. as visilbe as most others on that track, or even his race car. race car drivers are very aware of whats on the track at all times, its their WHOLE fukking sport.

whatever tho, lets see the Go Pro even tho i'm sure a lot of you will be saying he can't see over the steering wheel :facepalm

and yes i give you he should not have been out on the track but it isn't as great a point when Stewart himself has done the same thing, including a lot of other race car drivers when they get pissed. I swear its one of those things where that person on the track knows/assumes everyone is going to drive by him and not purposely into him where they figure they can see them coming from at least 20 yds away...turn or not...and with the caution flag that shit is pretty much unacceptable tbh.

[DeuceWallaces]

1. I like how some of you are saying it wasn't intentional and that Tony was playing chicken. That's like saying a murderer wasn't going to kill the guy, the guy just failed to get out of the way.

2. It was intentional because Tony was gunning towards his path. Eye witnesses said he was accelerating faster as he came closer and you could see clearly in the video he turned sharply into him causing his car to drift for a split second. That was a kill maneuver. He knew he was there, had every intention of speeding up, and made sure he fishbone him before he could jump out of the way. If he wanted to avoid him, he would of slowed down and turned to the opposite side.

3. After hitting him, he didn't stop. This is a huge factor. In accidents, drivers tend to stop; when it is an act of maliciousness, the drivers would subconsciously keep going. He had no concern for what he hit hence why he kept on driving. His only concern was to drive to the pit and hide all the the evidences. He knew what he did was wrong.

You're a total ****ing idiot. You can't deduce any of that from a YouTube video or Twitter comments.

[IamRAMBO24]

Lol at people saying it was intentional from that video. You can't even see his ****ing SPRINT CAR in the camera angle until it's 20 feet from him. No one can say whether or not he was serving from that distance. This isn't your little Corolla traveling at public road speeds. Shit doesn't turn or stop on a dime, especially a high horsepower vehicle in the dirt.

Some of you lack some serious perspective. Sitting at ground level in one of those cars with a helmet on is different from a guy sitting in the stands that were designed to view the entire track. We had a fixed angle on the kid the whole way through while Tony lost sight of his car moments after they clipped and drove around the track. There's no way he could see or expect that the kid was going to be pissed off in the middle of the track coming around the turn, especially if he's looking around where his car is assuming he's still in or around it.

Moral of the story is he should not have been out in the middle of the track like that, and with his damn car on the shoulder so no one can even swing to the outside of the track to avoid him.

Some caution flag or some sh*t goes up. He was supposed to slow down. You could see the first car slowing down. Tony knew he was standing there taunting him. He sped up. You are blind if you can't see that turn he made. It's as clear as daylight. He had two options: either turn away from the guy to avoid him or turn into him for the kill. He swerved right into him and caught him with his tail because the guy jumped out of the way.

Watch the video again. That right hand swerve is pretty telling. That's no accident; that is a driver intentionally hitting someone.

[Godzuki]

Some caution flag or some sh*t goes up. He was supposed to slow down. You could see the first car slowing down. Tony knew he was standing there taunting him. He sped up. You are blind if you can't see that turn he made. It's as clear as daylight. He had two options: either turn away from the guy to avoid him or turn into him for the kill. He swerved right into him and caught him with his tail because the guy jumped out of the way.

Watch the video again. That right hand swerve is pretty telling. That's no accident; that is a driver intentionally hitting someone.


the right swerve to me is the smoking gun too

but i swear the Go Pro will show a lot more from his angle which i'd assume will be very guilty where the defense will have to be poor vision from the car/turn in some way.

[IamRAMBO24]

http://deadspin.com/reports-tony-stewart-ran-over-opposing-driver-during-1618893708

At :35 you can see the car is angling towards his direction, then Tony steers again sharply to make sure he hits him.

If he wanted to avoid him, he would of steered away from him the last second like any normal human being. He wanted to hit him hence why he fishtailed sharply to the right.

[IamRAMBO24]

the right swerve to me is the smoking gun too

but i swear the Go Pro will show a lot more from his angle which i'd assume will be very guilty where the defense will have to be poor vision from the car/turn in some way.

Good eyes.

:applause:

The people who are denying this aren't looking at the details.

[9erempiree]

http://deadspin.com/reports-tony-stewart-ran-over-opposing-driver-during-1618893708

At :35 you can see the car is angling towards his direction, then Tony steers again sharply to make sure he hits him.

If he wanted to avoid him, he would of steered away from him the last second like any normal human being. He wanted to hit him hence why he fishtailed sharply to the right.

no dummy. He didn't swerve right to hit him. It swerved right because the dude was under Tony's tires. Look at the tires they were dead straight. If he swerved to hit him the tires would be turned. These tires have no tread and the slightest thing will cause them to lose traction and this instance a human body will definitely throw the car off its line.

[IamRAMBO24]

In the video, you can tell the guy is standing to the side of him and he turn the car into him BECAUSE THE HOOD OF THE CAR TURNS SHARPLY RIGHT. The way the hood angles shows beyond a reasonable doubt the driver turned pretty sharp in that direction.

[IamRAMBO24]

no dummy. He didn't swerve right to hit him. It swerved right because the dude was under Tony's tires. Look at the tires they were dead straight. If he swerved to hit him the tires would be turned. These tires have no tread and the slightest thing will cause them to lose traction and this instance a human body will definitely throw the car off its line.

The turn was before he hit him. Watch the hood of the car.

[Godzuki]

no dummy. He didn't swerve right to hit him. It swerved right because the dude was under Tony's tires. Look at the tires they were dead straight. If he swerved to hit him the tires would be turned.

it was right as he came into the picture...

he clearly went right a little....not by much...but enough.

[PHX_Phan]

you sure make A LOT of excuses for the guy.

regardless of what you *think* stewart saw or didn't see in his car before the turn, you can't make any excuse that he didn't see shit right before the incident when the car in front of him already braked hard and swerved to get out of the way from hitting ward. there was a decent time gap for stewart to see that and adjust to get low or change speed, yet he did the opposite: he stayed on path and even accelerated. what's your bullshit excuse for that?

Just watched this video a few more times. I see every single one of those cars wizzing past the dude at the same rate of speed, and some of those first few cars were closer to the outside of the track than Tony was. You can also see that the blue car right before Tony hit him had to swerve and still came close to hitting him as well.

One more thing...the camera guy is filming from the opposite side of the track. The sounds are not coming from the cars on the whole other end of the track. There's no way of even telling if that sound of accelerating came from Tony's car, and I'd bet that it didn't filming from so far away.

None of those other cars were slowing anymore than Tony was. Watch the other cars go by this guy to get a perspective of who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[IamRAMBO24]

Just watched this video a few more times. I see every single one of those cars wizzing past the dude at the same rate of speed, and some of those first few cars were closer to the outside of the track than Tony was. You can also see that the blue car right before Tony hit him had to swerve and still came close to hitting him as well.

One more thing...the camera guy is filming from the opposite side of the track. The sounds are not coming from the cars on the whole other end of the track. There's no way of even telling if that sound of accelerating came from Tony's car, and I'd bet that it didn't filming from so far away.

None of those other cars were slowing anymore than Tony was. Watch the other cars go by this guy to get a perspective of who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The blue car turned to the left. Tony turned to the right. That's the difference.

[Im so nba'd out]

this thread is way too long to read did Stewart do a interview yet about what happened?

[DonDadda59]

Punks jump up to get beat down.

RIP doe.

[IamRAMBO24]

Watched the video several times. Tony Stewart should be in jail tomorrow, not racing. #RIPKevinWard
—
Bob Ryder (@brydertna) August 10, 2014

As Twitchy reported earlier this morning, NASCAR star Tony Stewart hit and killed another driver, Kevin Ward Jr., last night during a race at Canandaigua Motorsports Park in upstate New York.

Some NASCAR fans, including TNA wrestling exec Bob Ryder (see above), believe that Stewart deliberately struck Ward:

Tony Stewart clearly commited murder on the track. How you not see kevin ward. #manslaughter—
John Gabriel (@Caliloyalty) August 10, 2014

Just watched the video of Tony Stewart. Looks like he hit Kevin Ward on purpose. RIP Kevin Ward. Tony needs to be in jail for murder…—
Brannon Evans (@BrannonEvans) August 10, 2014

Tony Stewart hits, kills driver in sprint car race usat.ly/1omDGyR Prison for murder? @mj4sports @seancablinasian @travisrodgers—
Ken Congelosi (@kennyhtown) August 10, 2014

Watched the video of Tony Stewart hitting Kevin Ward Jr. From the video I saw, looks like Murder to me. What a sad tragedy. Prayers to all.—
Jim Allen (@gerbjim22) August 10, 2014

Tony Stewart is gonna get away w/ murder scot-free just like George Zimmerman, you watch. Maybe Tony confused Kevin's middle finger for gun?—
Chris T. (@gradearadio) August 10, 2014

i hope tony stewart is convicted of murder, idc if kevin ward walked onto the track, every other car missed him…—
Matt ∆ Fredm (@MightyRoosters) August 10, 2014

I've watched the Tony Stewart video over and over. In my opinion he swerved toward Kevin Ward. Did I just witness a murder by #tonystewart—
Devin (@devinwins24) August 10, 2014

This is murder. RT @Deadspin Here's alleged video of Tony Stewart hitting Kevin Ward Jr. It's graphic: deadsp.in/bcEFV4m—
(@KISSman) August 10, 2014

Tony Stewart deserves a first degree murder charge for running over Kevin Ward #ripkevinward—
Andy Per (@AndyPer16) August 10, 2014

If Tony Stewart isn't charged with at least 1st degree murder the justice system will have failed Kevin Ward.—
Jonny Weeks (@YellForWeeks) August 10, 2014

Tony Stewart should be charged for murder if Kevin ward dies.—
jake pavers (@phillysports104) August 10, 2014

[DCL]

Just watched this video a few more times. I see every single one of those cars wizzing past the dude at the same rate of speed, and some of those first few cars were closer to the outside of the track than Tony was. You can also see that the blue car right before Tony hit him had to swerve and still came close to hitting him as well.

One more thing...the camera guy is filming from the opposite side of the track. The sounds are not coming from the cars on the whole other end of the track. There's no way of even telling if that sound of accelerating came from Tony's car, and I'd bet that it didn't filming from so far away.

None of those other cars were slowing anymore than Tony was. Watch the other cars go by this guy to get a perspective of who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

when the blue and white car (right in front of stewart's) braked hard, tony still didn't see ward in the picture at that moment already??

you honestly telling me that tony stewart, a professional race car champion and someone with better than 20/20 vision and can see and react better than 99% of the population, didn't quickly observe wtf was going on the track and see ward when the blue and white car in front of him already shifted speed and course???

not buying any of that.

tony stewart saw the kid way before he hit him.

[9erempiree]

when the blue and white car (right in front of stewart's) braked hard, tony still didn't see ward in the picture at that moment already??

you honestly telling me that tony stewart, a professional race car champion and someone with better than 20/20 vision and can see and react better than 99% of the population, didn't quickly observe wtf was going on the track and see ward when the blue and white car in front of him already shifted speed and course???

not buying any of that.

tony stewart saw the kid way before he hit him.

I believe it. When there is a caution, drivers are constantly doing other things. I would equate all the other things they are doing to you and I texting. They are checking their gauges, readjusting themselves and other things that go on in a race car. The last thing you expect is a person standing in the middle of the track.

At most, I would only charge him for negligence.

[~primetime~]

RIP :(

tragic no matter who was at fault...

[DCL]

I believe it. When there is a caution, drivers are constantly doing other things. I would equate all the other things they are doing to you and I texting. They are checking their gauges, readjusting themselves and other things that go on in a race car. The last thing you expect is a person standing in the middle of the track.

At most, I would only charge him for negligence.


yes, they do that, but they only glance at the gauges or whatever, not stare it it. also, as soon as the blue car acted funny in front, stewart's eyes, even if it's peripheral, should had already noticed caution was ahead and focused on the track.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Walking on the track in the middle of a race...:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


Sux that this guy died, but that is really stupid.

[PHX_Phan]

when the blue and white car (right in front of stewart's) braked hard, tony still didn't see ward in the picture at that moment already??

you honestly telling me that tony stewart, a professional race car champion and someone with better than 20/20 vision and can see and react better than 99% of the population, didn't quickly observe wtf was going on the track and see ward when the blue and white car in front of him already shifted speed and course???

not buying any of that.

tony stewart saw the kid way before he hit him.

I'm telling you the first few cars flew by him at the same speed and some of them even closer to him than Tony was (before the kid ran out even further onto the track) and the car right before him almost hit him as well. Pretty much means kid shouldn't have been playing chicken with cars on the track, and that if he got hit it isn't necessarily the fault of the driver.

Like I said before, at best he is guilty of not doing a better job of avoiding some dude who was specifically targeting his car and walking further onto the track as cars continued by him at speed.

I must be the only one watching the kid bounce around to avoid other cars while continuing to try to get closer inside to where Tony was. He put himself in the middle of a race track and got hit :confusedshrug: Don't know what else to say about it. If he stayed out from the middle of the track this never happens.

[OncePerMonth]

I'm telling you the first few cars flew by him at the same speed and some of them even closer to him than Tony was (before the kid ran out even further onto the track) and the car right before him almost hit him as well. Pretty much means kid shouldn't have been playing chicken with cars on the track, and that if he got hit it isn't necessarily the fault of the driver.

Like I said before, at best he is guilty of not doing a better job of avoiding some dude who was specifically targeting his car and walking further onto the track as cars continued by him at speed.

I must be the only one watching the kid bounce around to avoid other cars while continuing to try to get closer inside to where Tony was. He put himself in the middle of a race track and got hit :confusedshrug: Don't know what else to say about it. If he stayed out from the middle of the track this never happens.

He shouldn't have been out there, but this is typical behavior that every car looks for. Tony knew he was the one that caused the wreck, so he knew exactly where he was supposed to slow down when the caution lap started. He had a whole lap to know it was a caution lap. Ward even side-stepped to get out of the way and was still hit on the edge, which means Tony was about to hit him head on with the center of the car.

[Kungfro]

Appreciate the post gts. There's very little that can be taken away from that video, and so it's interesting to hear the opinion of someone with experience. Motosport.com just put out an article that mirrors a lot of what you were saying as well.

http://www.motorsport.com/sprint/news/yes-tony-stewart-did-run-over-a-fellow-driver-who-was-killed-but-know-the-whole-story

At this point I'm leaning towards this being an accident, but perhaps the gopro will tell us something else.

[IamRAMBO24]

He shouldn't have been out there, but this is typical behavior that every car looks for. Tony knew he was the one that caused the wreck, so he knew exactly where he was supposed to slow down when the caution lap started. He had a whole lap to know it was a caution lap. Ward even side-stepped to get out of the way and was still hit on the edge, which means Tony was about to hit him head on with the center of the car.

Good observation. The fact he had to side step shows Tony was driving straight at him while speeding up (based on eye witnesses). After he side stepped, Tony then made a sharp turn to catch him. The turn was a last minute ditch to make sure he catch him since he jumped out of the way hence why he was caught by the angle of the back tire.

Again, the truth is in the details.

[DCL]

I'm telling you the first few cars flew by him at the same speed and some of them even closer to him than Tony was (before the kid ran out even further onto the track) and the car right before him almost hit him as well. Pretty much means kid shouldn't have been playing chicken with cars on the track, and that if he got hit it isn't necessarily the fault of the driver.

Like I said before, at best he is guilty of not doing a better job of avoiding some dude who was specifically targeting his car and walking further onto the track as cars continued by him at speed.

I must be the only one watching the kid bounce around to avoid other cars while continuing to try to get closer inside to where Tony was. He put himself in the middle of a race track and got hit :confusedshrug: Don't know what else to say about it. If he stayed out from the middle of the track this never happens.


the first few cars had excuses because there was no other car right in front of them to suddenly brake hard and wake their asses up.

but where were tony stewart's eyes when the blue car in front of him suddenly acted funny? probably straight ahead and at ward. it's pretty hard for me to entertain the idea that he never saw the kid ahead, especially with the blue car giving the huge caution signal already.

he had time to react in a much less confrontational way.

[PHX_Phan]

He shouldn't have been out there, but this is typical behavior that every car looks for. Tony knew he was the one that caused the wreck, so he knew exactly where he was supposed to slow down when the caution lap started. He had a whole lap to know it was a caution lap. Ward even side-stepped to get out of the way and was still hit on the edge, which means Tony was about to hit him head on with the center of the car.

Look at where Tony's car is positioned on the track when he hit him. Now rewind the video and look at the position of the other cars that pass by the kid. Tony wasn't even the closest car to where the wreck happened...other cars were closer but the kid wasn't standing in their path. He only cut inside when he saw Tony's car coming back around.

Hell, for all we know Tony DID see him from around the bend...but did he then expect the kid to continue walking inside where the cars were going?

The way I see it, there is absolutely no way anybody can say whether his car was swerving towards him from the video. We have to go by where his car was at on the track...and if you ask me he's exactly where the other cars were and got clipped by the side of Tony's car...which wasn't even the furthest outside.

[IamRAMBO24]

Tony Stewart has a motive: anger.

Nascar's nastiest driver (http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/where-theres-smoke-up-close-with-tony-stewart-nascars-nastiest-driver-20140810)

[IamRAMBO24]

The way I see it, there is absolutely no way anybody can say whether his car was swerving towards him from the video.

Then you are blind. Period.

[PHX_Phan]

the first few cars had excuses because there was no other car right in front of them to suddenly brake hard and wake their asses up.

but where were tony stewart's eyes when the blue car in front of him suddenly acted funny? probably straight ahead and at ward.

he had time to react in a less conflicting way.

Maybe because the kid was off to the side where he should have been when the first few cars came by? There was nothing for them to avoid.

You're pretty much trying to tell me it's Stewart's fault because the kid walked out into his path. Pay attention to where his car is at on the track and you can clearly see he was in the path of cars.


And if the car was in front of him....wouldn't that limit his vision on what is in front of that car? You're reaching now.

So for the third time, at best he's guilty of not doing a better job of avoiding someone who shouldn't have been walking on the track like it was nothing.

[DCL]

Maybe because the kid was off to the side where he should have been when the first few cars came by? There was nothing for them to avoid.

You're pretty much trying to tell me it's Stewart's fault because the kid walked out into his path. Pay attention to where his car is at on the track and you can clearly see he was in the path of cars.


And if the car was in front of him....wouldn't that limit his vision on what is in front of that car? You're reaching now.



reaching what? you're making no sense. you make it like he's tailgating with a big truck in front of him. there was a time gap from the blue car and tony's car. he's in good distance to see more than you describe.

[oh the horror]

Wish there was another angle. It's really hard to say anything right now with what has been shown.

[OncePerMonth]

Look at where Tony's car is positioned on the track when he hit him. Now rewind the video and look at the position of the other cars that pass by the kid. Tony wasn't even the closest car to where the wreck happened...other cars were closer but the kid wasn't standing in their path. He only cut inside when he saw Tony's car coming back around.

Hell, for all we know Tony DID see him from around the bend...but did he then expect the kid to continue walking inside where the cars were going?

The way I see it, there is absolutely no way anybody can say whether his car was swerving towards him from the video. We have to go by where his car was at on the track...and if you ask me he's exactly where the other cars were and got clipped by the side of Tony's car...which wasn't even the furthest outside.

It doesn't matter where Ward was standing. When the cars crash, the drivers exit and go to the field in the center of the track, so all of the cars know that the drivers may be in the middle of the track. It is a caution lap, so cars can't pass each other, so Tony should go slow enough to have control of his car and be watching for the driver. It isn't like the guy jumped in front of Tony, he was walking and it is Tony's responsibility to not run him over. This is essentially the same as hitting somebody in a crosswalk when there are flashers indicating that there is somebody in the crosswalk, and that person happens to be somebody you are currently beefing with.

[gts]

Appreciate the post gts. There's very little that can be taken away from that video, and so it's interesting to hear the opinion of someone with experience. Motosport.com just put out an article that mirrors a lot of what you were saying as well.

http://www.motorsport.com/sprint/news/yes-tony-stewart-did-run-over-a-fellow-driver-who-was-killed-but-know-the-whole-story

At this point I'm leaning towards this being an accident, but perhaps the gopro will tell us something else.

no problem.. love to share


btw latest comments from LE

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2014/08/10/tony-stewart-kevin-ward-jr-crash-death-ontario-county-sheriff-press-conference/13866467/

[DeuceWallaces]

Then you are blind. Period.

He refuses to rush to judgement with little to no evidence; something you have no problem doing.

[RedBlackAttack]

I admittedly know absolutely nothing about NASCAR and even less about Sprint Car Racing. I've heard the name Tony Stewart, but I wouldn't recognize him if he were sitting next to me in a restaurant. I know nothing of his alleged past "temper issues" or anything else.

I feel that makes me about as impartial as possible.

When I initially watched the video, it looked like he swerved into the kid, who inexplicably wandered onto the track. I guess that is customary, especially on dirt track races like these, but that doesn't make it any less stupid. However, the caution flag was up and drivers were apparently slowed to around 40 miles per hour when the "accident" occurred.

My initial reaction was that it was a purposeful swerve, which would dictate a manslaughter charge at most. I saw one idiot tweeting about first degree murder "at least." They obviously don't know how the law works. There was nothing premeditated there and fault also lied with young driver for putting himself in a dangerous situation.


However, now I'm thinking that maybe it was just a tragic accident. After doing a little more digging, it appears that these Sprint Cars rely on the throttle to steer even moreso than the steering wheel. It could be that Stewart saw Ward at the last second (didn't help he was dressed in all black and visibility in those cars is apparently awful) and he hit the throttle to build up enough momentum to get the thing out of the way.

I'll be interested to see what LE is able to glean from the camera in the car and by investigating the scene. It is a tragedy, but a completely avoidable one. How about mandating all drivers stay in their car while the caution flag is raised or face a hefty fine? :confusedshrug:

[kenuffff]

why are people acting like tony stewart is a normal racecar driver, he isn't, he is a) beyond any driving skills of a normal person b) way better than people in sprint cars who are just starting out most of the time c) he is in the top 5% of his own peers being the best drivers in world. everyone acts like he is some average driver or sub-par driver that wasn't prepared to drive the car and drive it well. also he has a long history of "rage incidents" in the sport , it's not like this is jeff gordan or someone known for their sportsmanship etc. this is like people defending ron artest for throwing an elbow and blinding someone in a pickup game. it is totally within tony stewarts character to rage and do something, do i think he actually meant to kill the guy? no. did he mean to scare him or be a dick? yes.

[rezznor]

from another driver in the race


[The following is from two drivers that were at the track-Graves and Willis]

"I know Tony could see him. I know how you can see out of these cars. When Tony got close to him, he hit the throttle. When you hit a throttle on a sprint car, the car sets sideways. It set sideways, the right rear tire hit Kevin, Kevin was sucked underneath and was stuck under it for a second or two and then it threw him about 50 yards."


Willis said in a phone interview. “He approached him and evidently when he was driving by the guy standing on the track gesturing at him, he gunned his engine.

“What happened was the back end kicked out and clipped the guy and the guy flew across the track.”

Graves said it appeared to him that Stewart swerved before gunning the engine but he did not believe it was intentional.

"You never mean to do something like that," Graves said. "Kevin was pissed and he let Tony know. And Tony was trying to give the message back that he wasn't happy either. He went over the line with it."

Graves got emotional as he talked about Ward, whom he raced against last week in the Patriot Sprint Tour. In that race Graves' car broke, he got upside down and Ward hit him.


"The first car swerved to avoid the driver out on the track. The second car, operated by Tony Stewart, struck the driver."

.Graves, who described himself as a huge Stewart fan until Saturday night, doesn't think Stewart should be racing.

"Tony Stewart needs to be put in prison for life," Graves said.

stewart knows that the car would go sideways when he gunned the engine. he probably just meant to buzz the other guy and scare him, but ended up killing him instead.

[BrainDead]

from another driver in the race



stewart knows that the car would go sideways when he gunned the engine. he probably just meant to buzz the other guy and scare him, but ended up killing him instead.
That really sucks for Kevin and his family/friends.

[russwest0]

Natural selection at work it appears. What kind of moron gets out of the car and goes that far out onto the track?

That being said, it does appear that Tony Stewart was being a douche as well. However I doubt that he will have to serve a day in prison.

They will obviously determine in court that his intent wasn't to murder Kevin Ward Jr., but what was his intent for driving recklessly like that with a man on the track?

The most I see Tony Stewart getting charged with is involuntary manslaughter.

[DeuceWallaces]

from another driver in the race



stewart knows that the car would go sideways when he gunned the engine. he probably just meant to buzz the other guy and scare him, but ended up killing him instead.

I don't believe that was a driver in the racer. That is a driver, in the stands, who is a friend of the guy that was killed.

[OncePerMonth]

Natural selection at work it appears. What kind of moron gets out of the car and goes that far out onto the track?

.

Well, he has to go that far onto the track to exit the track. He isn't supposed to take his time and taunt a guy, but the caution lap is designed for drivers to safely exit their vehicle and cross the track to the field.

[OncePerMonth]

I don't believe that was a driver in the racer. That is a driver, in the stands, who is a friend of the guy that was killed.

Either way, you don't hit the throttle while passing a guy on a caution lap.

[DeuceWallaces]

Either way, you don't hit the throttle while passing a guy on a caution lap.

We don't know if he did. You could only hear throttle on the video that was being shot from the other side of his track.

[russwest0]

You can even see a car at about 30 seconds almost hit Ward and come within feet of him.

There's no question that the guy was being a moron doing what he did. Now what I wonder is, if that driver that was within a few feet of Ward had no problem controlling his car, why did Tony Stewart?

[gigantes]

even under a caution flag, walking towards the middle of the track and gesturing angrily just seems like incredibly poor judgement. it seemed like he was barely paying attention to the other cars in his rush to approach stewart's car.

having said that, stewart will pay either way. he's guaranteed to be a hated man by many, regardless of legal charges. not to mention he'll quite possibly have to deal with a civil suit. so... loads of stress ahead for mister stewart.

well that's enough for me. i'm not in to crucifying people. life is sorrowful and tragic as is without getting in to heroes and villains. guaranteed stewart will never be the same...

[zoom17]

Both are at fault here just a sad tragedy that could have been avoided.

[kenuffff]

can we also eliminate nascar drivers from being athletes, tony stewart looks like artie lange.

[DeuceWallaces]

even under a caution flag, walking towards the middle of the track and gesturing angrily just seems like incredibly poor judgement. it seemed like he was barely paying attention to the other cars in his rush to approach stewart's car.

having said that, stewart will pay either way. he's guaranteed to be a hated man by many, regardless of legal charges. not to mention he'll quite possibly have to deal with a civil suit. so... loads of stress ahead for mister stewart.

well that's enough for me. i'm not in to crucifying people. life is sorrowful and tragic as is without getting in to heroes and villains. guaranteed stewart will never be the same...

Civil suit will be rough. They'll trot out all his previous mishaps and put everyone who hates him on the stand.

[russwest0]

I just don't know how much of an emphasis the legal system will place on Tony Stewarts decision making and judgement while turning the corner on a dirt track at night while going 50MPH....

The bottom line in this case is going to be the kid stupidly putting himself in an extremely vulnerable situation for no reason at all....

If Tony Stewart made the choice to speed up to try and turn his car away from the kid and it failed (and he can easily argue from this stance) then well, maybe the kid shouldn't have thrown himself out into the fire?

I just don't see any way that Tony Stewart gets a serious charge here.

[GOBB]

So a rule couldn't be put in place to prevent drivers from considering getting out of their cars? Sounds like common sense. Maybe congress can get involved. (Clearly sarcasm)

[gigantes]

Civil suit will be rough. They'll trot out all his previous mishaps and put everyone who hates him on the stand.
i'm not a fan of NASCAR or whatever so i know nothing about stewart. altho i figure he's a relative of the great scottish racer.

anyway, do you know how hated this guy actually is? was he a loose cannon for years (like that female driver patrick) and this is sort of the final straw...?

[BRabbiT]

damn:eek:

[Meticode]

When I watch the video more and more and I hear that throttle, it comes off as if Stewart did it becuase after teh caution comes out he's going faster right before he hits Ward than any of those cars that passed him when he got on the track.

If I spit-balled it, Ward got ran off the track, got pissed, came out on the track pointing and cursing towards Stewart's car, Stewart clearly saw him, got pissed too, throttled his car which resulted kicking out his back right end to scare Ward and the back end hit him unintentionally.

In any case if Stewart wasn't disliked enough, he will be now accident or not.

[Akrazotile]

from another driver in the race



stewart knows that the car would go sideways when he gunned the engine. he probably just meant to buzz the other guy and scare him, but ended up killing him instead.


^ This is exactly how it looked to me when I saw the video.

This is just a really crazy and sad situation all around. Unfortunately heated exchanges and impulsive, macho demonstrations are an inevitable part of most intense physical competitions especially between men. I do think Stewart made the maneuver on purpose, but I don't think he intended to actually hurt the guy.

As others said, the other driver was baiting him and Stewart decided to play chicken, and in that quick moment didnt adequately weigh the reward vs the potential consequences and the vulnerability of the guy who was outside his vehicle.

Its really messed up. Feel very badly for those who knew the young man.

[The_Yearning]

Can't believe people blaming Kevin Ward for his actions. Kinda like blaming a woman for being raped because she wore a short skirt. "She was asking for it!"

Of course, Ward getting out of his car isn't bright....but in essence what he was doing was "standing on the sidewalk." If you stand on sidewalk in New York, waiting to cross....and a car takes a bad swerve, you are dead. You're gonna blame people now waiting to cross? "Shoulda been 10 more feet back. You were asking for it." :oldlol:

It looked like Tony Stewart purposely swerves right into him. Even if Ward is stupid standing with cars whizzing by, doesn't give driver right to use his vehicle as a weapon. You know, like, the expression "the pedestrian always has the right of way." Why is that? Because the pedestrian doesn't have a deadly weapon and the driver does....even if the pedestrian is a moron.

Should be guilty of manslaughter but I'm sure he'll get out of it..."an accident."

Lmao fk the haters.

Awesome analogies.

[IamRAMBO24]

He refuses to rush to judgement with little to no evidence; something you have no problem doing.

:facepalm

The video is a piece of evidence. Since I am a natural genius, I notice small details the average eye cannot see, so I'm telling you right now that swerve is purely intentional. Even an average driver will swerve away to avoid a collision. It is unfathomable a professional driver who has been train to deal with these circumstances at high speeds would steer into the person he is trying to avoid.

You can argue he didn't do it intentionally or he is playing chicken but such assumptions has absolutely no basis to it. Tony has a history of anger issues and has caused collisions in the past that could of resulted in death, so it is more reasonable to hypothesized he was caught up in the moment and took a swipe at Kevin INTENTIONALLY.

[gigantes]

Lmao fk the haters.

Awesome analogies.
question: how often do you and bagelred get asked "are you a f-cking idiot?"

[gigantes]

^ This is exactly how it looked to me when I saw the video.

This is just a really crazy and sad situation all around. Unfortunately heated exchanges and impulsive, macho demonstrations are an inevitable part of most intense physical competitions especially between men. I do think Stewart made the maneuver on purpose, but I don't think he intended to actually hurt the guy.

As others said, the other driver was baiting him and Stewart decided to play chicken, and in that quick moment didnt adequately weigh the reward vs the potential consequences and the vulnerability of the guy who was outside his vehicle.

Its really messed up. Feel very badly for those who knew the young man.
IMO this is an adult reaction and analysis to a complex, tragic situation. well said, sir. :applause:

[IamRAMBO24]

The argument boils down to this: did he turn into him or did he not? If you watch the video frame by frame, you will notice a couple of things:

Frame 1: At :32, Kevin is walking towards Tony's car. One can assume the reason why he is doing this is because the car is going slow. Based on eye witness accounts, Tony hits the pedal. You can see in the video he is going real fast. Had he maintain this speed, there would of been no way Kevin would of been brazen enough to keep walking towards him.

Frame 2: At :35, noticing the acceleration, Kevin tries to get out of the way. You can see this at exactly :35. He did not anticipate Tony hitting the gas pedal, so he tries to jump out of the way to his left.

Frame 3: Seeing that he is jumping out of the way, Tony then steers right into his direction. This part is very suspicious to me. In a situation like this, any driver would steer away from the collision and not into it. It is a natural reflex. Sure Tony could of panicked but this is not an amateur we are talking about. He is one of the best Nascar driver in the world, so he has had many experience in situations like this. The fact he did not steer away but in the direction of Kevin proves beyond a reasonable doubt it is intentional.

[Godzuki]

The argument boils down to this: did he turn into him or did he not? If you watch the video frame by frame, you will notice a couple of things:

Frame 1: At :32, Kevin is walking towards Tony's car. One can assume the reason why he is doing this is because the car is going slow. Based on eye witness accounts, Tony hits the pedal. You can see in the video he is going real fast. Had he maintain this speed, there would of been no way Kevin would of been brazen enough to keep walking towards him.

Frame 2: At :35, noticing the acceleration, Kevin tries to get out of the way. You can see this at exactly :35. He did not anticipate Tony hitting the gas pedal, so he tries to jump out of the way to his left.

Frame 3: Seeing that he is jumping out of the way, Tony then steers right into his direction. This part is very suspicious to me. In a situation like this, any driver would steer away from the collision and not into it. It is a natural reflex. Sure Tony could of panicked but this is not an amateur we are talking about. He is one of the best Nascar driver in the world, so he has had many experience in situations like this. The fact he did not steer away but in the direction of Kevin proves beyond a reasonable doubt it is intentional.


thats the thing about people saying he was just trying to 'dust' or 'buzz' him with that car turn throttle. he throttled completely the wrong way then. you'd probably left turn the wheel and throttle, not right in the direction where he is unless he lost control with that throttle...i'd think a race car driver should know that.

i also don't think him purposely hitting him is out of the question since there is testosterone involved and someone calling you out, on top knowing he's on the track where he shouldn't exactly be, where you sort of know you have the right away and can probably get away with it, in the heat of being like fukk u.

[dude77]

looks awfully intentional in that video but it's not the best angle .. we see stewart's car as it suddenly appears on screen .. would be nice to see it from the other side so we can see where he was coming from in relation to the car in front of him .. it's possible that he didn't see him right up until he reached him .. we could rule that out or not from the other side

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

looks awfully intentional in that video but it's not the best angle .. we see stewart's car as it suddenly appears on screen .. would be nice to see it from the other side so we can see where he was coming from in relation to the car in front of him .. it's possible that he didn't see him right up until he reached him .. we could rule that out or not from the other side

I hear you, but in one of the videos I saw, you can clearly hear (and see) Stewart rev it when he gets close and fishtail causing his back end to swing toward the kid, then the kid tries to move at the last minute.

Ward Jr. is partly to blame but I don't think Stewart will ever race again.

[Fawker]

it all comes down to audio self-incrimination. everyone wants to play detective and lawyer here but what's clear is the abrupt turn came after impact. the body being underneath the right side of the vehicle caused it to veer that way. there was no clear evidence of aiming right at ward. stewart is a pro, ward is not.

[IamRAMBO24]

The more I look at :35, the more I am beginning to believe Kevin was about to dive out of the way. You can see both legs jump off the ground for a split second. If he attempted to dive out the way, then it was clear Tony's hard steer to the right was what got him.

1. Tony was driving slow and with caution which prompted Kevin to walk towards him without fear.

2. Tony then notices Kevin was yelling and cursing at him, since they've been going at it the entire race, this made him even more angry, so he hits the gas pedal to run him over.

3. Kevin tries to jump out of the way and Tony steers hard to the right hitting him with his back tire.

Base on the evidence, this is probably the most logical assumption.

[IamRAMBO24]

it all comes down to audio self-incrimination. everyone wants to play detective and lawyer here but what's clear is the abrupt turn came after impact. the body being underneath the right side of the vehicle caused it to veer that way. there was no clear evidence of aiming right at ward. stewart is a pro, ward is not.

Nope. Watch it closely. If you watch the front, it turns into Kevin before he was hit.

[gigantes]

looks awfully intentional in that video but it's not the best angle .. we see stewart's car as it suddenly appears on screen .. would be nice to see it from the other side so we can see where he was coming from in relation to the car in front of him .. it's possible that he didn't see him right up until he reached him .. we could rule that out or not from the other side
said george zimmerman's self-appointed ass-kisser on ISH.


what other sports controversies are you hoping to weigh in on, brosekowski...?

[Fawker]

Nope. Watch it closely. If you watch the front, it turns into Kevin before he was hit.
the blue 45 car before stewart did the same thing too though.

[IamRAMBO24]

the blue 45 car before stewart did the same thing too though.

The blue car turned to the left and was slowing down. Tony sped up and turned into him as he was diving away.

[IamRAMBO24]

Anybody notice as he was lying there his body looks a couple of feet longer than his height? I think dude got ripped apart.

[Fawker]

no. as a matter of fact all cars were trying to make wide turns, heading straight into the side wall.

[Bandito]

The more I look at :35, the more I am beginning to believe Kevin was about to dive out of the way. You can see both legs jump off the ground for a split second. If he attempted to dive out the way, then it was clear Tony's hard steer to the right was what got him.

1. Tony was driving slow and with caution which prompted Kevin to walk towards him without fear.

2. Tony then notices Kevin was yelling and cursing at him, since they've been going at it the entire race, this made him even more angry, so he hits the gas pedal to run him over.

3. Kevin tries to jump out of the way and Tony steers hard to the right hitting him with his back tire.

Base on the evidence, this is probably the most logical assumption.Listen genius if I'm dumb enough to stand in front of his car I deserve to get hit. Simple as that. HE got killed because instead of staying in his car or leaving the track he started to complain and stand in front of a moving vehicle.

[IamRAMBO24]

Listen genius if I'm dumb enough to stand in front of his car I deserve to get hit. Simple as that. HE got killed because instead of staying in his car or leaving the track he started to complain and stand in front of a moving vehicle.

Doesn't matter. His actions might be dumb, but he doesn't deserve to be killed for being dumb. Your logic is not very sound.

[Fawker]

this was free kill at the hands of legalities vs. compassion.

[iTare]

Life is a giant logic test.
Dude failed.

[Bandito]

Doesn't matter. His actions might be dumb, but he doesn't deserve to be killed for being dumb. Your logic is not very sound.
You do deserve to get killed. When you jump in front of a car going over 50 MPH don't expect that car to stop easily. How dense are you? You do know those cars don't stop as fast when going at fast speed right?

[Bandito]

What a ****ing idiot :facepalm


He might still have his life right now if he didn't try to tank a car coming full speed like he's superman or something. Whenever I don't wanna get hit by a car you know what i do? I don't stand in front of a god damn car
That's what a logical person would do.


You heard that Iramble24?

[IamRAMBO24]

You do deserve to get killed. When you jump in front of a car going over 50 MPH don't expect that car to stop easily. How dense are you? You do know those cars don't stop as fast when going at fast speed right?

Have you even read the argument idiot? It all boils down to whether or not he turned into him to hit him and I've already argue he clearly dude. Learn to read next time before you ramble on about the dumbest sh*t tropical boy.

[Bandito]

Have you even read the argument idiot? It all boils down to whether or not he turned into him to hit him and I've already argue he clearly dude. Learn to read next time before you ramble on about the dumbest sh*t tropical boy.
He was clearly going over 50 mph nobody is that fast to get out of the way IRamble24:lol

THat's my point. Learn to read genius.

[b1imtf]

Who won the race?

[IamRAMBO24]

He was clearly going over 50 mph nobody is that fast to get out of the way IRamble24:lol

THat's my point. Learn to read genius.

Based on eye witness accounts, he accelerated into Kevin.

[niko]

Based on eye witness accounts, he accelerated into Kevin.
You're picking and choosing what you believe to support a conclusion that you've decided you like, that he did it on purpose.

I don't see how people are reaching any definitive conclusions, the "evidence" is anything but conclusive, and the reports are all over the place.

[Bandito]

Based on eye witness accounts, he accelerated into Kevin.
Based on video evidence and using some critical thinking you obviously lack, points to Kevin getting hit because he was a dumbass.

[Orlando Magic]

The kid was stupid for being in the middle of the track, there's no denying that.

However, based on Stewart's history, and not even just that, just based on the ****ing video... it looks intentional. He accelerated into the kid at the last minute. You can even hear it and see it on the video.

It doesn't matter if he intended to kill him or scare him, he was driving recklessly... but if we're talking about intent, I think at the very very least Tony intended to hit him in some capacity.

[Orlando Magic]

The fact that he initially decided to race the very next day or whatever points to the fact that he didn't give a shit until he or his PR team thought the better of it.

So if he didn't give a shit, he probably did it on purpose.

Obviously that's not definitive proof of anything, it just looks really, really bad. Where there's smoke there's fire type of thing.


If he accidentally hit the kid which obviously led to the kid's death, and if he had any type of remorse or soul at all, he would have never initially decided to race. ****ing period. He would be shell shocked. Dude doesn't give a ****.

[IamRAMBO24]

Based on video evidence and using some critical thinking you obviously lack, points to Kevin getting hit because he was a dumbass.

Your logic is horrible. I've been watching frame by frame to come up with a detailed conclusion while your dumba*s is crying out the same sh*t that every idiot in here is saying.

"Oh he deserves to die because he was being stupid." No he doesn't dumbsh*t. If the act was intentional, then he doesn't deserve to die, heck, even if it was accidental, he doesn't deserve to die either. It is a stupid position and you're even dumber for standing by it.

[IamRAMBO24]

You're picking and choosing what you believe to support a conclusion that you've decided you like, that he did it on purpose.

I don't see how people are reaching any definitive conclusions, the "evidence" is anything but conclusive, and the reports are all over the place.

It's a f*ckin video. How much more conclusive can it be? It's not my fault your blind a*s is too lazy to watch it frame by frame and see the obvious details that point to an intentional act. Make sure you don't forget to fondle tropical boy's a*shole while the both of you are playing in the dark.

[Bandito]

Your logic is horrible. I've been watching frame by frame to come up with a detailed conclusion while your dumba*s is crying out the same sh*t that every idiot in here is saying.

"Oh he deserves to die because he was being stupid." No he doesn't dumbsh*t. If the act was intentional, then he doesn't deserve to die, heck, even if it was accidental, he doesn't deserve to die either. It is a stupid position and you're even dumber for standing by it.
No you're not you ****ing liar:lol

What you're doing is saying the opposite of what everyone says and repeating some bullcrap 'theory' you concocted without any fact or logic behind it in every post trying to pass it as the truth. In other words you are rambling...IRamble...:lol

Fact is my logic dictates when I see cars moving I don't jump in front of one. What the drives does is out of my control what I do is. Does your genius brain comprehend this logic?

[Fawker]

what the **** was stewart doing in this flea market race? :facepalm

[IamRAMBO24]

No you're not you ****ing liar:lol


Fact is my logic dictates when I see cars moving I don't jump in front of one. What the drives does is out of my control what I do is. Does your genius brain comprehend this logic?

Your mind is clouded from all the ganja in the tropics. We already agreed it's not the best move he made, but it's pretty dumb to say he deserves to die because of it especially when the act was intentional.

It is a fallacious position to blame the victim; I've seen uneducated idiots like you do this all the time.

[Bandito]

Your mind is clouded from all the ganja in the tropics. We already agreed it's not the best move he made, but it's pretty dumb to say he deserves to die because of it especially when the act was intentional.

It is a fallacious position to blame the victim; I've seen uneducated idiots like you do this all the time.
I don't even know what ganja is. Is that something your parents used in their third world country you came from?:lol



You can say the act was intentional without any proof genius. It doesn't even look like it was on purpose using that video as evidence. I made a through investigation frame by frame using top notch technological programs I 'found' on the internet. What did you use? Windows Media Player and pause it:oldlol:

[gts]

the blue 45 car before stewart did the same thing too though.

Crew Chief for the 45 car....

http://i58.tinypic.com/1znl91z.jpg

[IamRAMBO24]

I don't even know what ganja is. Is that something your parents used in their third world country you came from?:lol



You can say the act was intentional without any proof genius. It doesn't even look like it was on purpose using that video as evidence. I made a through investigation frame by frame using top notch technological programs I 'found' on the internet. What did you use? Windows Media Player and pause it:oldlol:

Intentional or accidental, saying someone deserves to die is f*ckin stupid. Only killers and murderers deserve to die. Acting stupid doesn't warrant a death sentence. Admit that your position is stupid.

[chosen_one6]

I just read the last 8 pages and I have come to two conclusions:

1. It was an accident.

2. IAMRAMBO is an idiot.

[Kungfro]

It's a f*ckin video. How much more conclusive can it be?

From the time Tony Stewart's car enters the frame to the time it hits Kevin wards is less then a second, I really don't see what kind of conclusions you could make off of that.

[Fawker]

20 years old. what was he doing? saving face after wrecking? entertaining friends in the stands? perhaps embarrassed? stupid kid going against a nascar lunatic.

[Rodmantheman]

I just read the last 8 pages and I have come to two conclusions:

1. It was an accident.

2. IAMRAMBO is an idiot.

:applause:

[PHX_Phan]

Crew Chief for the 45 car....

http://i58.tinypic.com/1znl91z.jpg

Pretty much exactly what I was saying...the cars before Stewart nearly hit this kid themselves. Unless they were all gunning for him intentionally, I think we can chalk it up to he made a really bad decision in a fit of rage and it cost him his life.

I also don't understand why people think Tony would want to try and hit him. They got close on the corner and he put the kids car into the wall. Why would he be out for blood after that? I'm sure dude isn't known for his sportsmanship, but that's a big leap to maliciously trying to kill another driver.

[Rodmantheman]

Pretty much exactly what I was saying...the cars before Stewart nearly hit this kid themselves. Unless they were all gunning for him intentionally, I think we can chalk it up to he made a really bad decision in a fit of rage and it cost him his life.

I also don't understand why people think Tony would want to try and hit him. They got close on the corner and he put the kids car into the wall. Why would he be out for blood after that? I'm sure dude isn't known for his sportsmanship, but that's a big leap to maliciously trying to kill another driver.

:applause: People are quick to judge in these situations.

[Sarcastic]

I think he hit him on purpose, but of course it's impossible to prove. Same type of situation when a pitcher hits a batter. He can just say he lost control for a split second and it wasn't intentional.

[dude77]

I hear you, but in one of the videos I saw, you can clearly hear (and see) Stewart rev it when he gets close and fishtail causing his back end to swing toward the kid, then the kid tries to move at the last minute.

Ward Jr. is partly to blame but I don't think Stewart will ever race again.

yeah that revving part makes you do a double take .. doesn't look good in that video .. but we have to take everything else into consideration ..

firstly, people are underestimating the velocity he's coming at .. it looks like he's not going too fast in the video if you didn't know any better and then just decided to accelerate and run him over .. that's what it looks like ..

.. but he's really going much much faster .. in dimmed lighting .. and the other dude is wearing black .. and the fact that no driver is expecting to see a random person standing on the track during a race .. maybe he tried to move at the last second because his judgement failed him thinking stewart saw him when he didn't



Crew Chief for the 45 car....

http://i58.tinypic.com/1znl91z.jpg

^^ makes a lot of sense yep

[KNOW1EDGE]

Assuming you know Stewart's intent is a terribly ignorant thing to do in this situation.

It was an accident. -save your theories for something better

[Godzuki]

race car drivers including Stewart have gone on tracks and yelled at people so people acting like what this guy did was really stupid should say that about Stewart and plenty of race car drivers themselves. he's not the first but he might be the last~

most expected the drivers to drive by them, especially during a caution, which is usually the case after a wreck where they spazz on someone.

i still don't see how he couldn't see Ward way before that, and i know he did. Not like there are mailboxes in the middle of the track blocking their views. not being able to see over the steering wheel is BS, including all of that wearing black nonsense.

he's definitely guilty of something, but will probably get off, and they'll make serious rules about drivers being on tracks. Stewart is one of the biggest guys in their sport, he'll get special treatment especially with fans so behind him.

[Godzuki]

Damn looks like no Go Pro or any video footage...real suspicious tho.

Investigators collected ZERO video from Tony Stewart and Kevin Ward Jr.'s race teams after Saturday night's tragedy because the Sheriff says it does not exist -- which TMZ Sports has learned is a little strange.

Ontario County Sheriff Philip Povero tells TMZ Sports they checked Stewart's #14 sprint car -- and Ward's #13 -- to see if there was mini-cam footage of the moment the NASCAR superstar barreled into Ward ... but came up with zilch.

It's odd because we're told -- by multiple sources in the racing world -- Stewart commonly has a mini-camera of some sort mounted on his cars when he races on smaller dirt tracks like Canandaigua. We've made multiple calls to Stewart's racing teams, but have not heard back.

The sheriff also told us there were no recordings of communication between Stewart and his pit crew -- though our sources say that's standard ops for a small race not airing on TV.

That lack of evidence perhaps explains why the sheriff has made several pleas to the public for any footage of the incident. It's simply not clear from the YouTube footage already out there if Stewart was reckless.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz3A4vjXHXm

[Sarcastic]

Crazy when you think about it. Tony Stewart was probably the best driver on the track, but he is the one that couldn't see and avoid Ward?


Also for someone that had just "accidentally" killed someone, he seemed to feel no remorse over it, as he was prepared to race the following day. Wouldn't a person who just killed someone be distraught over it, and want to stay away from racing for quite some time? At least 24 hours I would assume.

[Jailblazers7]

Finally watched the video in the OP and it is really hard to tell anything from that bit of footage. Hopefully the police are able to gather enough evidence to get a handle on what happened since it appears that there is nothing to tell what happened from Stewart's perspective. Stewart should be banned from racing for the rest of his life at the very least.

It's also kind of weird but every time something important like this happens I think about how there will be a 30 for 30 about it in the future.

[Jet]

I don't even know what ganja is. Is that something your parents used in their third world country you came from?:lol


A guy from Puerto Rico calling somebody else out for coming from a third world country? :coleman:

[russwest0]

Did Tony Stewart win the race?

[dude77]

. Stewart should be banned from racing for the rest of his life at the very least.
.

lol


- darwin award candidate runs onto a track full of speeding cars .. gets killed


- ban driver who hit him for life

[niko]

It's a f*ckin video. How much more conclusive can it be? It's not my fault your blind a*s is too lazy to watch it frame by frame and see the obvious details that point to an intentional act. Make sure you don't forget to fondle tropical boy's a*shole while the both of you are playing in the dark.
You reached a conclusion based on a theory you decided you like and are know *********ing to each detail like god chiseled it on stones like the ten commandments. It's what you ALWAYS do.

Me, i'm not going to take random bits of things and pretend i'm an expert on all things and argue about it. That's stupid. You, continue to be stupid.

[Le Shaqtus]

Moral of the story.

Don't stand in the middle of a track full of race cars and you won't die.

[rezznor]

Moral of the story.

Don't stand in the middle of a track full of race cars and you won't die.
Funny thing is Tony Stewart and other drivers have done this themselves. I've seen it plenty of times. Always thought it was stupid and someone would get killed eventually. Just like idiots who try crossing the freeway because they are too lazy to walk to an overpass or underpass. I almost hit some idiot trying to do this at night when it was foggy a few years back. Barely missed him.

[Le Shaqtus]

Yeah, this was bound to happen sooner or later and now it did. They should have implemented a similar rule like the NBA's no leaving the bench rule a long, long time ago. Wait in the car or maybe wait until the rescue/safety crew(or whatever they're called) comes over.

No way, that makes too much sense. Stop using logic.

[KevinNYC]

Former prosecutor says with the evidence we have so far, they are unlikely to charge him with a crime (http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/11/opinion/callan-tony-stewart-kevin-ward-race-car-death/)


The evidence supporting criminal charges is conspicuously absent given what we now know about the case. Ward recklessly choose to walk into an active and highly dangerous racetrack exposing himself to injury or death. An experienced professional driver such as Stewart had a right to expect that his fellow drivers would conduct themselves in a safe and professional manner during the race.

[oh the horror]

People keep mentioning that video as if it's conclusive 100 percent.


The video isn't even fixed on Stewart all the way through.


It's snippet from one angle that doesn't include any other angle. How can that be conclusive to draw an entire argument?

[Crown&Coke]

If it said "Pro driver strikes, kill another driver on race track"

First name I'm thinking is Stewart. Fair or not, dude has a record of being out of control.

But that dude was in the middle of the track, a dirt track.

Sad story, totally avoidable

[niko]

People keep mentioning that video as if it's conclusive 100 percent.


The video isn't even fixed on Stewart all the way through.


It's snippet from one angle that doesn't include any other angle. How can that be conclusive to draw an entire argument?
You aren't watching it frame by frame while wearing a funny tinfoil hat.

[Bandito]

A guy from Puerto Rico calling somebody else out for coming from a third world country? :coleman:
We are not a third world country you moron. Read about it and then talk later moron.

First we are not a country we are a US territory

Second our economy as bad as it is, we are in better shape than most states eve though the US dont give as much money as a state. Heck if they let us buy from other countries besides the US we would be better economically than USA.

Third most people here go to college because it is dirt cheap and our colleges degrees can be used in the US compared to other countries. Heck most people here have takes some college courses compared to americans because here education is enforced.

[Godzuki]

People keep mentioning that video as if it's conclusive 100 percent.


The video isn't even fixed on Stewart all the way through.


It's snippet from one angle that doesn't include any other angle. How can that be conclusive to draw an entire argument?

because we're all just giving our opinions like we do on every thread topic ever posted.

not like we're judge and jury here.

we take our position, make our argument, others make theirs, and we argue from there. we might be vehement in the stance we take but in the end who cares really? :confusedshrug:

ya'll act like mf'ers can't give their opinions or arguments lol. waiting for a verdict is boring and not the purpose of a forum.

[NumberSix]

Kinda looks like it.

But in the end, both made a mistake. Kevin Ward shouldn't have ran out to the track and Tony Stewart should've been driving more carefully.
:facepalm

He didn't hit him on a wal-mart parking lot. It's a fcuking race track. The guy was wearing black and walked into the middle of a black track in the dark but you wanna act as if a fcuking race car driver is somehow at fault because he wasn't looking for pedestrians in the middle of the race track.


:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[9erempiree]

We are not a third world country you moron. Read about it and then talk later moron.

First we are not a country we are a US territory

Second our economy as bad as it is, we are in better shape than most states eve though the US dont give as much money as a state. Heck if they let us buy from other countries besides the US we would be better economically than USA.

Third most people here go to college because it is dirt cheap and our colleges degrees can be used in the US compared to other countries. Heck most people here have takes some college courses compared to americans because here education is enforced.

Not going to lie. I bet some Ricans are smarter than the idiots here.

[MavsSuperFan]

To me it looks like he was trying to scare ward, by narrowly missing ward and just failed.

its negligent homicide imo

[russwest0]

I must say, if Tony Stewart went on to win this race, then he's a badass in my book. I imagine the exchange went like this:

KW: *pointing angrily* Tony you come onto MY track and wreck me? **** you mother ****er!!!

TS: Get out of the way, kid

KW: **** you!!!!

TS: *accelerates and murders the kid and goes on to win the race*

[Jet]

We are not a third world country you moron. Read about it and then talk later moron.

First we are not a country we are a US territory

Second our economy as bad as it is, we are in better shape than most states eve though the US dont give as much money as a state. Heck if they let us buy from other countries besides the US we would be better economically than USA.

Third most people here go to college because it is dirt cheap and our colleges degrees can be used in the US compared to other countries. Heck most people here have takes some college courses compared to americans because here education is enforced.:sleeping You are barely a step above Cuba. In fact, if it wasn't for Cuba and America propping you up you would be on Haiti level. During election season your major politicians campaign by hopping into a 50 year old Ford truck and driving pass lean to huts while belting out their propaganda via bullhorn. Their campaign budgets are about $13.67. Your biggest export is the chupacabra. Your second biggest export is shifty rum.

[oh the horror]

:sleeping You are barely a step above Cuba. In fact, if it wasn't for Cuba and America propping you up you would be on Haiti level. During election season your major politicians campaign by hopping into a 50 year old Ford truck and driving pass lean to huts while belting out their propaganda via bullhorn. Their campaign budgets are about $13.67. Your biggest export is the chupacabra. Your second biggest export is shifty rum.


We get it. You're being cute. But frankly you're acting like a b*tch. Tone it down and go outside for a bit. Attacking people on their ethnicity is nonsense.

[Jet]

We get it. You're being cute. But frankly you're acting like a b*tch. Tone it down and go outside for a bit. Attacking people on their ethnicity is nonsense.

I don't even know what ganja is. Is that something your parents used in their third world country you came from?:lol


We are not a third world country you moron. Read about it and then talk later moron.


Fall back, white knight. He was the one that decided to make this personal.

[DonDadda59]

:sleeping You are barely a step above Cuba. In fact, if it wasn't for Cuba and America propping you up you would be on Haiti level. During election season your major politicians campaign by hopping into a 50 year old Ford truck and driving pass lean to huts while belting out their propaganda via bullhorn. Their campaign budgets are about $13.67. Your biggest export is the chupacabra. Your second biggest export is shifty rum.

I chuckled. Didn't laugh doe.

[NumberSix]

We get it. You're being cute. But frankly you're acting like a b*tch. Tone it down and go outside for a bit. Attacking people on their ethnicity is nonsense.
Puerto Rican is not an ethnicity.

[oh the horror]

Puerto Rican is not an ethnicity.



Tell a Puerto Rican that and stand back for their reaction.

[NumberSix]

Tell a Puerto Rican that and stand back for their reaction.
Their reaction has no impact on whether it's true or not.

[boozehound]

Puerto Rican is not an ethnicity.
why not? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group

[NumberSix]

why not? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
There about as much of an ethnic as Americans or Canadians.

[niko]

There about as much of an ethnic as Americans or Canadians.
Puerto Ricans are people who originated from the island of Puerto Rico. That's why the ethnicity. It's not that hard but I'm sure you'll try to make is so.

[MavsSuperFan]

Puerto Ricans are people who originated from the island of Puerto Rico. That's why the ethnicity. It's not that hard but I'm sure you'll try to make is so.
hate to agree with number six, but to me its more of nationality. (even though puerto rico is not a nation)

Its like a white guy from texas saying im ethnically texan. perhaps that white guy was born in texas

Some areas are so mixed and multicultural it doesnt have an ethnicity.

Eg. there is no such thing as ethnically american. American is a nationality.

There is such a thing as ethnically Han chinese.

[MavsSuperFan]

why not? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
if anything that wiki article supports what number six is saying.

[NumberSix]

Puerto Ricans are people who originated from the island of Puerto Rico. That's why the ethnicity. It's not that hard but I'm sure you'll try to make is so.
Most Puerto Ricans "originate" from Europe.

[ace23]

There about as much of an ethnic as Americans or Canadians.
So what's your point?

[rezznor]

So apparently Stewart and Ward have had an ongoing rivalry. Ward has often beaten Stewart, and Stewart has made Ward wreck several times. Not a good look.

[rezznor]

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/tony-stewart-kevin-ward-jr-rivals-article-1.1898917

[Le Shaqtus]

So apparently Stewart and Ward have had an ongoing rivalry. Ward has often beaten Stewart, and Stewart has made Ward wreck several times. Not a good look.

Uh oh.

[Godzuki]

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/tony-stewart-kevin-ward-jr-rivals-article-1.1898917


DAMN so much incriminating statements he's made in the past. So much evidence of his spazzy nature and testosterone. 3/4's of the excuses for him don't even make sense when you watch the video, idc what authorities people pretend to be, when that shit is contrary to common sense of whats visible or just obvious, common sense takes precedence.

sad thing is he'll get away with it. you know they had a Go Pro hooked up too, but as usual with race car they do a lot of hiding and shit.

[rezznor]

DAMN so much incriminating statements he's made in the past. So much evidence of his spazzy nature and testosterone. 3/4's of the excuses for him don't even make sense when you watch the video, idc what authorities people pretend to be, when that shit is contrary to common sense of whats visible or just obvious, common sense takes precedence.

sad thing is he'll get away with it. you know they had a Go Pro hooked up too, but as usual with race car they do a lot of hiding and shit.

Yup, he's already come out and straight up threatened to run other drivers down before. I don't think he intentionally killed the kid, just scare him or bump him a bit but it doesn't matter the end result was a death. Both parties were road raging, but one was still in his car...

[Im so nba'd out]

He should be banned from racing.If your not aware enough to avoid a person standing on the track you shouldn't be allowed to race.We all know he did it on purpose after he hit him he didn't even stop...

[KNOW1EDGE]

I agree he should be banned from racing. Running out on the track like that is just plain wreckless and irresponsible. But he paid with his life so I don't think banning him from racing would be very affective.

[DeuceWallaces]

So apparently Stewart and Ward have had an ongoing rivalry. Ward has often beaten Stewart, and Stewart has made Ward wreck several times. Not a good look.

:no: All those quotes are from one of Ward's friends. Need to discern fact from bias.

[rezznor]

:no: All those quotes are from one of Ward's friends. Need to discern fact from bias.
That is true. It's also true that it would fairly easy to verify if Stewart has caused Ward to wreck in the past, and if Ward has beaten Stewart in the past. The only thing that could be up for debate in those comments is whether or not their was a rivalry.. Which could also be corroborated by interviewing purge people in that racing circuit.

Edit: I forgot about the comment about Stewart seeing Ward. Yes there is room for bias there, but the guy can be considered an expert since he's also a driver.

And let's not forget to consider Stewart's past behavior. He's a known hothead who has made threatening remarks to other drivers in the past. That is not up for debate.

[DeuceWallaces]

That is true. It's also true that it would fairly easy to verify if Stewart has caused Ward to wreck in the past, and if Ward has beaten Stewart in the past. The only thing that could be up for debate in those comments is whether or not their was a rivalry.. Which could also be corroborated by interviewing purge people in that racing circuit.

Edit: I forgot about the comment about Stewart seeing Ward. Yes there is room for bias there, but the guy can be considered an expert since he's also a driver.

And let's not forget to consider Stewart's past behavior. He's a known hothead who has made threatening remarks to other drivers in the past. That is not up for debate.

There's lots of room for bias in those comments. In fact they're all soaked in it. The guy is obviously one of his good friends and he's been trying to spout these talking points every chance he gets since the moment it happened.

[Godzuki]

even if they don't press charges which i doubt the will, i'd think Ward's family could file a civil suit and have a good case based on Stewarts past history and the video of this, with a good lawyer. very much agree with the guy that Stewart had to have seen him much earlier.

[Sarcastic]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/dirt-track-racer-kevin-ward-clear-day-deadly-crash-article-1.1900545

"I drove right by him," Kinney told NBC News Monday. "He looked a little bit angry. I didn't think much of it. A lot of drivers do that."


"I seen Kevin clear as day. Nobody else ran into him, either," Kinney said.



It will be hard to convict Stewart, since there is a "reasonable doubt", but just connecting the dots, it's quite obvious he knew what he was doing. I am not sure he meant to hit him, but it seems like he was trying to scare him.

[OncePerMonth]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/dirt-track-racer-kevin-ward-clear-day-deadly-crash-article-1.1900545

"I drove right by him," Kinney told NBC News Monday. "He looked a little bit angry. I didn't think much of it. A lot of drivers do that."


"I seen Kevin clear as day. Nobody else ran into him, either," Kinney said.



It will be hard to convict Stewart, since there is a "reasonable doubt", but just connecting the dots, it's quite obvious he knew what he was doing. I am not sure he meant to hit him, but it seems like he was trying to scare him.

I think murder will be hard to convict, but I think he should get manslaughter. I think it was on purpose, but it is too hard to prove. He was certainly negligent because he should know that it was a caution lap (caused by him) in which drivers frequently have to walk across the track.

[KNOW1EDGE]

You guys make it seem like Stewart nailed Ward as he was crossing the street at a crosswalk.

The footage shows an angry man running out onto a race track and he is subsequently clipped by a passing motorist.

Quit with all your assumptions. Quit trying to get in Stewart's head. Quit with your conspiracy theories, they don't even matter.

Ward is dead because he has a bad temper and made a horribly stupid decision that day. That's all we KNOW. The speculation in here is awesome though.

[OncePerMonth]

You guys make it seem like Stewart nailed Ward as he was crossing the street at a crosswalk.

The footage shows an angry man running out onto a race track and he is subsequently clipped by a passing motorist.

Quit with all your assumptions. Quit trying to get in Stewart's head. Quit with your conspiracy theories, they don't even matter.

Ward is dead because he has a bad temper and made a horribly stupid decision that day. That's all we KNOW. The speculation in here is awesome though.

Dude was clearly walking on the track. You think we are too quick to jump on Stewart, but you seem to quick to blame it on the victim here.

If you want to stick to facts:
- It was a caution lap.
- Ward was standing and pointing (not running)
- Stewart ran over and killed Ward

That is enough to be punished pretty severely.

Edit for additional facts:
- Ward had to get out of his car and walk onto the track because his vehicle was wrecked
- Stewart wrecked Ward's car with his own car

[Sarcastic]

You guys make it seem like Stewart nailed Ward as he was crossing the street at a crosswalk.

The footage shows an angry man running out onto a race track and he is subsequently clipped by a passing motorist.

Quit with all your assumptions. Quit trying to get in Stewart's head. Quit with your conspiracy theories, they don't even matter.

Ward is dead because he has a bad temper and made a horribly stupid decision that day. That's all we KNOW. The speculation in here is awesome though.


Every other racer slowed down, and didn't hit him. Stewart hit the throttle, and fish tailed into him.

No one is absolving Ward from being an idiot, but he didn't deserve to get hit by a car and killed.

[OncePerMonth]

I'm pretty sure KNOW1EDGE is just trolling. He was also saying Mack and War Machine deserve each other. I'm thinking he just victim blames knowing it will strike a nerve with people.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Different perspectives and standards I guess.

Stewart bumped Ward causing him to wreck.

A smart person would leave the track immediately.

Ward got out, and approached oncoming traffic, and literally ran up on Stewart pointing him out, then subsequently is clipped by Stewart's right, rear wheel. No one was ran over.

And the other drivers were able to avoid Ward because ward did not run up to their moving vehicle. The blue 45 almost clipped him right before Stewart did.

I don't watch or know anything about racing, but being completely objective and watching that video, it seems like an accident that could have been prevented if Ward could control his emotions. But sadly the media encourages people to act like idiots and lose their temper cuz it makes for good tv

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I'm pretty sure KNOW1EDGE is just trolling. He was also saying Mack and War Machine deserve each other. I'm thinking he just victim blames knowing it will strike a nerve with people.

Could you kindly point out anything I have posted in this thread that has been untrue or false?

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Watch the video again. Stewart clearly swerves towards him.

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Stupid kid is stupid kid.

100 points awarded to Tony Stewart!
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[OncePerMonth]

Could you kindly point out anything I have posted in this thread that has been untrue or false?

"The footage shows an angry man running out onto a race track "

And you don't need to say things that are untrue to troll anyway. All you need is to be intentionally contrary to people in your opinions to troll.

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"The footage shows an angry man running out onto a race track "

Yeah, we're either watching different footage or have different definitions of what running is.

Anyways. I don't like to assume people's intent rather go off what I can see.

My guess is Stewart was mad that Ward had the audacity to run up on him like that, so Stewart tried playing chicken with the kid, the kid didn't move. But idk what was in Stewart's head. All I KNOW is that kids emotions got out of hand and it got him killed, and it is very sad.

[Akrazotile]

IMO its pretty much an even 50-50 for blame.

You cant go walking into traffic like that. Even if it's reasonable to assume drivers will try to avoid you, youre taking such a grave risk for no good reason at all. Cars were still zooming by and this guy was out in the middle of the track on purpose.

And for Stewarts part, he didnt slow during the caution and obviously (IMO) made an aggressive move with his car toward a pedestrian, whether he intended to hurt him or not. He has to be faulted for the result.


Tbh this reminds me of trayvon and zimmerman. Two guys both trying to be macho, both making bad decisions, and one ending up dead. In both situations the blame share is basically equal, IMO.

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IMO its pretty much an even 50-50 for blame.

You cant go walking into traffic like that. Even if it's reasonable to assume drivers will try to avoid you, youre taking such a grave risk for no good reason at all. Cars were still zooming by and this guy was out in the middle of the track on purpose.

And for Stewarts part, he didnt slow during the caution and obviously made an aggressive move with his car toward a pedestrian, whether he intended to hurt him or not. He has to be faulted for the result.


Tbh this reminds me of trayvon and zimmerman. Two guys both trying to be macho, both making bad decisions, and one ending up dead. In both situations the blame share is basically equal, IMO.
More blame for Ward for me. He'd still be alive today if he just stayed in his car or near it in the first place.

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Yeah, we're either watching different footage or have different definitions of what running is.

Anyways. I don't like to assume people's intent rather go off what I can see.

My guess is Stewart was mad that Ward had the audacity to run up on him like that, so Stewart tried playing chicken with the kid, the kid didn't move. But idk what was in Stewart's head. All I KNOW is that kids emotions got out of hand and it got him killed, and it is very sad.


That's a likely scenario, but it's still negligent homicide or manslaughter.

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More blame for Ward for me. He'd still be alive today if he just stayed in his car or near it in the first place.

This.

[Akrazotile]

That's a likely scenario, but it's still negligent homicide or manslaughter.


It was probably racist, right?