Greater choke: '07 or '11?

[aj1987]

In which Finals did LeBron choke worse?

http://i.imgur.com/wp2HFzP.jpg


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http://i.imgur.com/YvknjDv.jpg

[Beastmode88]

2011 he had a stacked team and couldn't produced.

[AintNoSunshine]

How many times do we need to go over this? '07 wasn't a choke.

'11 was.

[plowking]

2011.

Couldn't handle being the 2nd best player on the team, and almost deliberately took the FMVP away from Wade.

I say almost because it seemed like it, but then you look at his history and you realize it is probably something that is deeply built in to this guys genetic hardware. He just can't deliver in the big moments.

Even in his two finals wins, the biggest moments of the series weren't his. Almost embarrassing.

[TheMarkMadsen]

07 is underrated..

the Cavs lost the last 2 games at home by a combined 4 points..

while Lebron went 10-30 in the final game for 24 points and played like shit the game before as well

[Prime_Shaq]

2007 wasn't a choke, he just wasn't ready.

[dubeta]

Wade stan with the post-game damage control :oldlol:




btw neither were chokes

[The_Pharcyde]

Wade stan with the post-game damage control :oldlol:




btw neither were chokes

hahahahahaha he said neither were chokes!!
how can someone be so delusional!

[JebronLames]

Wow wade stans losing their shit tonight :facepalm

[greatest-ever]

Wade stan with the post-game damage control :oldlol:




btw neither were chokes
2011 def was. He's a top 10 all timer who was in the middle of his prime and played like garbage on the big stage.

[aj1987]

Wade stan with the post-game damage control :oldlol:




btw neither were chokes

Wow wade stans losing their shit tonight
I'll be a Heat fan 20 years after Wade retires. You'll be on a 20th different players dick.

[ILLsmak]

2007 wasn't a choke, he just wasn't ready.

good call shaq.

I don't think anyone expected him to do well in that series, but the fact that they exposed him did a lot to his psyche. It was more like getting dominated than choking.

-Smak

[J Shuttlesworth]

Aj why you on the offensive bro? :biggums:

[G0ATbe]

Both were equally terrible imo.

[Cold soul]

2011 by far epic choke job everyway possible.

[FKAri]

2007 was a regular season team that overachieved with a young superstar.

2011 was less a choke more of Lebron's half court scoring ability being exposed.

[DaSeba5]

2011 was the worse choke I have ever seen. When LeBron made his decision to come here, I would have never imagined him playing a bitch in the Finals. I was completely shocked, which made losing feel even worse. If he even played 1/4 of his actual level of play, they most likely win the series.

[SamuraiSWISH]

2011.

Prime.

Stacked Team.

Favorites.

Quit.

Pathetic.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

2007 wasn't a choke. That series was a wash before it started, no one was beating the Spurs with that Cleveland squad.

[greatest-ever]

2011.

Prime.

Stacked Team.

Favorites.

Quit.

Pathetic.
The Heat weren't really stacked, i mean as far as star power they were but they had no depth at all.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Its tough to say. Clevelands stacked defense kept them in games when Bran was averaging 6 turnovers and 30FG%......that Cleveland defense is so underrated. Top 5 defense of the past era easily behind KG Celts, Bulls, Spurs and Pistons

Mike Brown was a goddamn defensive mastermind. That Cavs defense was amazing stacked defenders at every position

[Mr Feeny]

2011.

Couldn't handle being the 2nd best player on the team, and almost deliberately took the FMVP away from Wade.

I say almost because it seemed like it, but then you look at his history and you realize it is probably something that is deeply built in to this guys genetic hardware. He just can't deliver in the big moments.

Even in his two finals wins, the biggest moments of the series weren't his. Almost embarrassing.

26, 13, 11 in a championship clinching game in 2012.
16 points in the 4th of a championship elimination game 6.
37 points overall and multiple outside the paint jumpers in game 7 in 2013 including the all important one to make it a 2 possession game with 20 seconds to go , and with ALL the pressure on him.

Have you completely lost your mind?

[dubeta]

26, 13, 11 in a championship clinching game in 2012.
16 points in the 4th of a championship elimination game 6.
37 points overall and multiple outside the paint jumpers in game 7 in 2013 including the all important one to make it a 2 possession game with 20 seconds to go , and with ALL the pressure on him.

Have you completely lost your mind?

#ether

[Mr Feeny]

Its tough to say. Clevelands stacked defense kept them in games when Bran was averaging 6 turnovers and 30FG%......that Cleveland defense is so underrated. Top 5 defense of the past era easily behind KG Celts, Bulls, Spurs and Pistons

Mike Brown was a goddamn defensive mastermind. That Cavs defense was amazing stacked defenders at every position

Hmmm just a shame that this same defensive mastermind couldn't achieve the same result in 2012-2013 with Kobe spearing his defense instead of Lebron. Oh snap. Maybe Lebron himself played a pivotal role in that defense:(

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Hmmm just a shame that this same defensive mastermind couldn't achieve the same result in 2012-2013 with Kobe spearing his defense instead of Lebron. Oh snap. Maybe Lebron himself played a pivotal role in that defense:(
Or maybe b/c Dwight was the only good defensive player on the 13 Lakers and he wasnt even in his prime anymore.

Metta was washed up. Kobe didnt play defense anymore then u had dudes like Meeks, Nash, Blake, Antawn, Pau:roll: :roll:

the cavs had Big Z, Varejao, Snow, Gooden, Donyell. Christ.......Andy was a top5 defender that season behind KG, AK, Duncan. Right thurr with camby. Just a bit better than the elite perimeter defenders of Battier, Artest, Crash, Deng, Iggy, Kirk, Manu, Kobe

[sportjames23]

2011.

Couldn't handle being the 2nd best player on the team, and almost deliberately took the FMVP away from Wade.

I say almost because it seemed like it, but then you look at his history and you realize it is probably something that is deeply built in to this guys genetic hardware. He just can't deliver in the big moments.

Even in his two finals wins, the biggest moments of the series weren't his. Almost embarrassing.


This.

[Dresta]

2011 was the worse choke I have ever seen. When LeBron made his decision to come here, I would have never imagined him playing a bitch in the Finals. I was completely shocked, which made losing feel even worse. If he even played 1/4 of his actual level of play, they most likely win the series.
This. It was a big shock - looked like Miami had the series in the bag, and then the unimaginable happened. It was a total disgrace, but i find it funny the excuses Bron gets for 07 for some reason. He got to the finals and played like garbage, only one year after Wade (a guy from his own draft class) put up 35 a game. It's not like he played ok, and his team lost anyway - he played like complete trash in that finals too!:

22/7/7 with 6 tunrovers per game, 36% from the field, 20% from 3, 69% from the line, TS% of .43 - utterly disgraceful, an all time terrible finals performance. Outplayed and out-impacted by Drew Gooden :lol - so what are all these excuses about 'not being ready' (he obviously wasn't ready in 11, either, Bron takes a long time to get ready for success!)? Games 1, 3 and 4 were all close games, and Bron's terrible play is the largest reason for not winning a single game.


Even if the Spurs would have won anyway he could at least have put up a fight, rather than lie down and be humiliated on the biggest stage (something that has happened to Bron 3 times now)

[Trollsmasher]

Wade stans salty af:roll:

[masonanddixon]

in 07 the Spurs were flat out better and he had no chance.

'11 was obviously horribly disappointing, and he was outplayed by most of the Dallas reserves.

[JtotheIzzo]

In which Finals did LeBron choke worse?

http://i.imgur.com/wp2HFzP.jpg


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http://i.imgur.com/YvknjDv.jpg

07 was the opposite of a choke, he single-handedly beat the Pistons in the ECF.

Educate your dumb ass.

[masonanddixon]

07 was the opposite of a choke, he single-handedly beat the Pistons in the ECF.

Educate your dumb ass.

Nah a guy named Boobie beat the Pistons.

[305Baller]

11 easily

[Magic 32]

26, 13, 11 in a championship clinching game in 2012.

Looks like a decent Steve Nash game.




16 points in the 4th of a championship elimination game 6. Played like crap in the first 36 min of the game and completely melted down in the last 4 min and OT.


I agree!



37 points overall and multiple outside the paint jumpers in game 7 in 2013 including the all important one to make it a 2 possession game with 20 seconds to go , and with ALL the pressure on him.


I would think that after the most nightmarish meltdown in NBA history followed by a save from Jesus would lift the pressure a bit, no?

[Magic 32]

07 was the opposite of a choke, he single-handedly beat the Pistons in the ECF.

Educate your dumb ass.

http://en.people.cn/200701/17/images/xinsrc_1920104171124953311496.jpg

[ralph_i_el]

In '07 it was a miracle he was even in the finals
A guy that young dragging a team that weak to the finals? Even in the East that's impressive.

[dh144498]

dubeta is right. '11 wasn't a choke. Lebron was just the 6th best player on the floor during the finals. He was just utterly a sh1t player.

[sdot_thadon]

2011 was definitely the one, none of knows exactly what or why it happened but it did. Terrible. 07 was a series that wasn't even supposed to happen, he forced his way through the Pistons with one of the greatest performances we've seen. I think pop watched that game and Said eff this, he ain't doing that in the finals.

[Sakkreth]

2007 they had no business being in the finals. Huge overachievment.

[Beastmode88]

Wade: 234 minutes, 61%TS, 11%TRB, 28.7%AST, 2.1%STL, 3.6%BLK, 10.4%TOV, 30.2%USG, 120 ORTG. 22.7 GMSC.

Lebron: 262 minutes, 54%TS, 10.6%TRB, 28.8%AST, 2.1%STL, 1%BLK, 19.5%TOV, 22.9%USG, 102 ORTG. 13.7 GMSC.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

This. It was a big shock - looked like Miami had the series in the bag, and then the unimaginable happened. It was a total disgrace, but i find it funny the excuses Bron gets for 07 for some reason. He got to the finals and played like garbage, only one year after Wade (a guy from his own draft class) put up 35 a game. It's not like he played ok, and his team lost anyway - he played like complete trash in that finals too!:

22/7/7 with 6 tunrovers per game, 36% from the field, 20% from 3, 69% from the line, TS% of .43 - utterly disgraceful, an all time terrible finals performance. Outplayed and out-impacted by Drew Gooden :lol - so what are all these excuses about 'not being ready' (he obviously wasn't ready in 11, either, Bron takes a long time to get ready for success!)? Games 1, 3 and 4 were all close games, and Bron's terrible play is the largest reason for not winning a single game.


Even if the Spurs would have won anyway he could at least have put up a fight, rather than lie down and be humiliated on the biggest stage (something that has happened to Bron 3 times now)

:applause:

Good points. Bran could of at least extended the series to 7 games looking at it this way. Maybe he shoots 40% from the field instead of 36% and that's probably enough to get it to 6 or 7 games.

:lol

[tmacattack33]

2007 was a great accomplishment for Lebron.

Thanks for proving how stupid some sports fans are.

[Mr Feeny]

Looks like a decent Steve Nash game.



I agree!



I would think that after the most nightmarish meltdown in NBA history followed by a save from Jesus would lift the pressure a bit, no?

In other words we agree that he's better in the finals than Mr 40%fg?:applause:

[pauk]

07' he actually tried but played bad, it was a fair n square "choke", meaning a guy who takes shots, is agressive, but just fails to get them in... but i give him a pass for that one considering the circumstances of overachieving with probably worst supporting cast in NBA history to be in a NBA Finals at the age of 21 and then geting zoned by the best team defense in Spurs...

11' i dont know if i can call that choke, choking is when you TRY and FAIL... he didnt do that, he didnt try at all, he took only what 14 FGA that series, didnt get to the line, nothing... shooting 48% FG, he didnt shoot bad, he just DIDNT SHOOT... he led both teams in assists / rebounds so everything else was intact.... he was deferring to a hot Wade.... I can say he underperformed, wasnt agressive, was way to passive..... but i wont say he choked, dont think he deserves that statement.... he was more like INVISIBLE at least scoring wise...


07' was a greater choke
11' was a greater invisibility

[sd3035]

neither were chokes

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[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

In '07 it was a miracle he was even in the finals
A guy that young dragging a team that weak to the finals? Even in the East that's impressive.
Naw in THAT east that wasnt impressive. Many star perimeter players couldve done the same w/ that cast

[pauk]

Naw in THAT east that wasnt impressive. Many star perimeter players couldve done the same w/ that cast

That Pistons team was essentially around that same previous defending championship team, if Lebron/Cavs didnt have those miracles against them the Pistons would go to the Finals.... and i can guarantee you they would performed MUCH better than Cavs did vs Spurs.... it sure to hell wouldnt at least been a SWEEP.... Cavs/Lebron were not supposed to be there, it was a historic overachievement....

[Hey Yo]

2011 was the worse choke I have ever seen. When LeBron made his decision to come here, I would have never imagined him playing a bitch in the Finals. I was completely shocked, which made losing feel even worse. If he even played 1/4 of his actual level of play, they most likely win the series.
You're not the only one. I'm sure a lot of people were shocked that "all of a sudden" James was asked to be second option.

Sure he could have played better but still avg. 18-7-7 while leading the team in scoring in 2 of the games and had a triple double in another.

Not bad for accepting the role of 2nd option (at the last minute) for Wade's sake. Good thing Wade came to his sense's in the off-season and handed the team over to LeBron.

[ralph_i_el]

Naw in THAT east that wasnt impressive. Many star perimeter players couldve done the same w/ that cast

Larry Hughes (age 28)
Drew Gooden (25)
Big Z (31)
Andy V (24)
Eric Snow (33)

not a playoff level supporting cast for some star players, much less a championship level squad. Kobe had Lamar Odom and Caron Butler and missed the playoffs...

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Naw in THAT east that wasnt impressive. Many star perimeter players couldve done the same w/ that cast

Jordan with that team would have lost to the Spurs in 2007. Get that agenda shit out of here.

[Magic 32]

In other words we agree that he's better in the finals than Mr 40%fg?:applause:

I believe Lebron was Mr. 43% when he won his FMVP, just like Kobe in 2009 (Kobe played way better of course).

Lebron against the Celtics? More like Mr. 35%

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Jordan with that team would have lost to the Spurs in 2007. Get that agenda shit out of here.
Can u read u retard?
i said many star players wouldve done the SAME as in made the finals. Not beat the Spurs:hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Can u read u retard?
i said many star players wouldve done the SAME as in made the finals. Not beat the Spurs:hammerhead: :hammerhead:

That's my bad, wasn't really paying attention.:cheers:

[Beastmode88]

Are the stans really saying lebron 2011's performance was justified because he deferred to wade? :biggums:

[aj1987]

Are you guys serious? So, LeBron played like shit in '07 because they weren't supposed to "be there"? :oldlol:

[Magic 32]

Originally Posted by Mr Feeny
In other words we agree that he's better in the finals than Mr 40%fg?

Lebron vs Kobe finals shooting...


Lebron

-30% : XX (7.4%)
30-35 : XX (7.4%)
35-40 : XX (7.4%)
40-45 : XXXXXX (22.2%)
45-50 : XXXXX (18.5%)
50-55 : XXXX (14.8%)
55-59 : XX (7.4%)
60%+ : XXXX (14.8%)

Kobe

-30% : XXX (8.1%)
30-35 : XXXXXXXX (21.6%)
35-40 : XXXXX (13.5%)
40-45 : XXXXX (13.5%)
45-50 : XXXXXXXXXX (27%)
50-55 : XX (5.4%)
55-59 :
60%+ : XXX (8.1%)

*Kobe ankel injury game vs the Pacers is not included (played 5 minutes).


Funny how many of Lebron's best shooting nights were sneaky bad games.

The 2014 finals (minus game 2)
Game 4 2013 (statpadding against subs after D-Wade won the game)
Game 6 vs Mavs (shot 60% but just gave up after the first quarter).

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Are you guys serious? So, LeBron played like shit in '07 because they weren't supposed to "be there"? :oldlol:

There's not a player in league history who was winning against the Spurs in 2007 with that Cavs squad. Not a one. It's not a choke if the series is a wash to begin with. :confusedshrug:

Here's a definition of choking:



In sports, a "choke" is the failure of an athlete or an athletic team to win a game or tournament when the player or team had been strongly favored to win or had squandered a large lead in the late stages of the event.

How does 2007 LeBron meet that criteria? Oh yeah, that's right, he doesn't.

2011 was a choke. No one denies that. 2007 wasn't.

[aj1987]

There's not a player in league history who was winning against the Spurs in 2007 with that Cavs squad. Not a one. It's not a choke if the series is a wash to begin with. :confusedshrug:

Here's a definition of choking:

How does 2007 LeBron meet that criteria? Oh yeah, that's right, he doesn't.

2011 was a choke. No one denies that. 2007 wasn't.
I'm not saying that they could've won. A sweep though? The last two game, the Cav's lost by a COMBINED 4 points. LeBron averaged 24.5 PPG and 5.5 TOV's on 36/17/64.

[dubeta]

I'm not saying that they could've won. A sweep though? The last two game, the Cav's lost by a COMBINED 4 points. LeBron averaged 24.5 PPG and 5.5 TOV's on 36/17/64.

Yup, that was definately embarassing, f*cking swept :facepalm


Oh wait didnt Wade get swept that same playoffs??? In the first round I must add. :oldlol:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I'm not saying that they could've won. A sweep though? The last two game, the Cav's lost by a COMBINED 4 points. LeBron averaged 24.5 PPG and 5.5 TOV's on 36/17/64.

I expected a sweep, personally. I would be interested to see the odds from the 2007 finals game by game, just to get a better sense of what was expected.

If Cleveland was heavily favored (especially for games 3/4) then those games can be used as an example of a choke, but if San Antonio was favored for all 4 games (which I imagine they would have been) then it's tough to fit any of that finals series into a choking argument.

I think that there were too many factors at play to chalk it up to a choke (not denying that James had a bad series, he definitely did) but if anyone can find those finals odds I'd be very interested in taking a look.

[uber]

26, 13, 11 in a championship clinching game in 2012.
16 points in the 4th of a championship elimination game 6.
37 points overall and multiple outside the paint jumpers in game 7 in 2013 including the all important one to make it a 2 possession game with 20 seconds to go , and with ALL the pressure on him.

Have you completely lost your mind?

out of 5 finals appearances you found 3 games where he played good? congratulations :applause:

[dubeta]

Lebron vs Kobe finals shooting...


Lebron

-30% : XX (7.4%)
30-35 : XX (7.4%)
35-40 : XX (7.4%)
40-45 : XXXXXX (22.2%)
45-50 : XXXXX (18.5%)
50-55 : XXXX (14.8%)
55-59 : XX (7.4%)
60%+ : XXXX (14.8%)

Kobe

-30% : XXX (8.1%)
30-35 : XXXXXXXX (21.6%)
35-40 : XXXXX (13.5%)
40-45 : XXXXX (13.5%)
45-50 : XXXXXXXXXX (27%)
50-55 : XX (5.4%)
55-59 :
60%+ : XXX (8.1%)

*Kobe ankel injury game vs the Pacers is not included (played 5 minutes).


Funny how many of Lebron's best shooting nights were sneaky bad games.

The 2014 finals (minus game 2)
Game 4 2013 (statpadding against subs after D-Wade won the game)
Game 6 vs Mavs (shot 60% but just gave up after the first quarter).

Kobe shoots worse than 35% in like 1/3rd of his finals? :roll:

And ppl want to call him an all-time great?

[Beastmode88]

Kobe shoots worse than 35% in like 1/3rd of his finals? :roll:

And ppl want to call him an all-time great?

Whats worse 6/24 or 4 ppg in the 4th q?

[dubeta]

Whats worse 6/24 or 4 ppg in the 4th q?


All those games were blowouts, and game 1 lebron had cramps

What you want lebron back in the game to statpad? :lol

[Wade's Rings]

Yup, that was definately embarassing, f*cking swept :facepalm


Oh wait didnt Wade get swept that same playoffs??? In the first round I must add. :oldlol:

Sucks Wade could carry an injured/old Shaq to a Title but Shaq couldn't even get out of the 1st Round with an injured Wade. :cry:

[dubeta]

Sucks Wade could carry an injured/old Shaq to a Title but Shaq couldn't even get out of the 1st Round with an injured Wade. :cry:


That's what happens when the 'injured' Wade deliberately sabotages a series like he's done many times before (2011 and 2014 Finals)

[Wade's Rings]

That's what happens when the 'injured' Wade deliberately sabotages a series like he's done many times before (2011 and 2014 Finals)

Glad the Healthy Lebron threw the 2007 Finals, 2008 ECSF, 2010 ECSF, and the 2011 Finals :oldlol:

[3ball]

Whats worse 6/24 or 4 ppg in the 4th q?


Since Lebron's style is to NOT take a lot of shots, all teams should adopt the approach taken by the Spurs in 2014 Finals, where they played him straight up (since he wasn't adjusting by increasing his shot total), and stayed at home on his teammates and shut them down - this is how a low shot attempt (high efficiency-seeking), play-if-safe style like Lebron's is severely exploitable.

Otoh, Kobe's 6/24, high shot attempt style forced the Boston defense to make a decision in the crucial possessions down the stetch of Game 7 - do we stay at home and NOT double, thus giving Kobe a chance to win the game, or do we help off Artest - as you can see, either way the defense was doomed, and it's all because of Kobe's high shot attempts - that's what makes him more of a threat to win the game at the end, which draws more attention, thus making his teammates more of a threat to win thee game - the high shot attempts from the tam's best player is like a compounding effect.

You can say, "well, we'll just let kobe shoot"... fine... but then you risk 2011 happening, where an inferior player to kobe (Dirk) made the shots and made them pay for not doubling and leaving bosh all alone.

[T_L_P]

2011, by far.

A choke to me is failing to do something you can do.

LeBron played like absolute shit in the 07 Finals, but it was mainly because he couldn't shoot, and we knew he couldn't shoot long before that series. His team simply wasn't good enough to compete with the best player in the league, prime Manu, Parker playing the best he ever has on a title team, etc.

The Heat should have taken the Mavs out in 5. LeTurtle lost them that series. Up there with 04 Kobe in the greatest Finals chokes ranks.

[Beastmode88]

All those games were blowouts, and game 1 lebron had cramps

What you want lebron back in the game to statpad? :lol

the goat, mj, had to score 41 ppg in the finals to will his team to a ring. while lebron only got 28 ppg? :wtf:

[dubeta]

2011, by far.

A choke to me is failing to do something you can do.

LeBron played like absolute shit in the 07 Finals, but it was mainly because he couldn't shoot, and we knew he couldn't shoot long before that series. His team simply wasn't good enough to compete with the best player in the league, prime Manu, Parker playing the best he ever has on a title team, etc.

The Heat should have taken the Mavs out in 5. LeTurtle lost them that series. Up there with 04 Kobe in the greatest Finals chokes ranks.


LeBrons 2011 wasnt even the biggest choke of that playoffs

If I remember a certain team lost to the 8th seed as the 1st....

[dubeta]

the goat, mj, had to score 41 ppg in the finals to will his team to a ring. while lebron only got 28 ppg? :wtf:

FG% is the only thing that matters, little boy

[Beastmode88]

LeBrons 2011 wasnt even the biggest choke of that playoffs

If I remember a certain team lost to the 8th seed as the 1st....

what kind of alpha would let someone else take over the game? he went full beast mode vs the celtics and couldn't do it vs the mavs? :biggums: lights were too bright.

[Beastmode88]

FG% is the only thing that matters, little boy

thats the dumbest thing i've ever heard. rather have good stats than a ring? :rolleyes:

[aj1987]

Dubeta melting down HARD. Keep crying, bitch. :oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

Lebron vs Kobe finals shooting...


Lebron

-30% : XX (7.4%)
30-35 : XX (7.4%)
35-40 : XX (7.4%)
40-45 : XXXXXX (22.2%)
45-50 : XXXXX (18.5%)
50-55 : XXXX (14.8%)
55-59 : XX (7.4%)
60%+ : XXXX (14.8%)

Kobe

-30% : XXX (8.1%)
30-35 : XXXXXXXX (21.6%)
35-40 : XXXXX (13.5%)
40-45 : XXXXX (13.5%)
45-50 : XXXXXXXXXX (27%)
50-55 : XX (5.4%)
55-59 :
60%+ : XXX (8.1%)

*Kobe ankel injury game vs the Pacers is not included (played 5 minutes).


Funny how many of Lebron's best shooting nights were sneaky bad games.

The 2014 finals (minus game 2)
Game 4 2013 (statpadding against subs after D-Wade won the game)
Game 6 vs Mavs (shot 60% but just gave up after the first quarter).

Wrong again. Kobe is a career 40%fg in the finals and 25%fg in game 7's while Lebron is a 45%fg in finals and a 37 ppg scorer in nba finals:applause:

[Wade's Rings]

what kind of alpha would let someone else take over the game? he went full beast mode vs the celtics and couldn't do it vs the mavs? :biggums: lights were too bright.

Wade outplayed him that series as well.

[Beastmode88]

Wade outplayed him that series as well.

on the brink of elimination lebron had one of the best performance in nba playoff history. but he couldn't do it again? especially against a team with dirk + role players? :roll: :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Wade outplayed him that series as well.

Doesn't mean that Lebron didn't play exceptionally well himself.

[dubeta]

Wade outplayed him that series as well.

Another lie frm Wade's Rings*

[Mr Feeny]

on the brink of elimination lebron had one of the best performance in nba playoff history. but he couldn't do it again? especially against a team with dirk + role players? :roll: :roll:You're mixing years here.

[Beastmode88]

You're mixing years here.

who cares. he was able to do it why not able to repeat it?

[Wade's Rings]

on the brink of elimination lebron had one of the best performance in nba playoff history. but he couldn't do it again? especially against a team with dirk + role players? :roll: :roll:

Are you talking about 2012 or 2011?:confusedshrug:

[Beastmode88]

Are you talking about 2012 or 2011?:confusedshrug:

im talking about lebron having the potential to do these things. yet he doesn't? "best player in the world" we're talking about.

[Wade's Rings]

Another lie frm Wade's Rings*

:lol

[Hey Yo]

who cares. he was able to do it why not able to repeat it?
LeBron did repeat, in 2012 and 13', while leading his team in 4 of the 5 major stat categories each Finals and getting both FMVP's

[MJistheGOAT]

2011 by far.

2007 he was too young, with a clearly superior team in front.
2011 he was in his peak, with a clearly inferior team in front, nice production from rest of the team, and was outplayed by clearly inferior players.

[mehyaM24]

not 'greater' than wade missing the postseason in 2008, trumping anything lebron did in his prime.


Yup, that was definately embarassing, f*cking swept :facepalm


Oh wait didnt Wade get swept that same playoffs??? In the first round I must add. :oldlol:
astute observation.

if 2007 was a 'choke' for lebron (finals appearance), what does that say about wade's team, who were swept in the first round by a team they were FAVORED against?

btw, wade shot 42% from the field and 68% from the line. LOL

[aj1987]

not 'greater' than wade missing the postseason in 2008, trumping anything lebron did in his prime.


astute observation.

if 2007 was a 'choke' for lebron (finals appearance), what does that say about wade's team, who were swept in the first round by a team they were FAVORED against?

btw, wade shot 42% from the field and 68% from the line. LOL
I know I said I wouldn't reply to you, but the stupidity is just too much in this post.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3186630
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2775853
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3286076

Do you even know what the roster looked like during the '08 season?

High impact LeBron got anally raped in his first 2 Finals. Wade? Averaged 32/7/5/2/1 on 50% shooting in his first 2 Finals and won a ring and FMVP. So much for the high impact play that led to an EMBARRASSING and downright HUMILIATING sweep for LeBron.

Shaq had a higher impact than Wade in '05, right? How did he fare in the PO's when Wade went down with an injury?

[Beastmode88]

I know I said I wouldn't reply to you, but the stupidity is just too much in this post.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3186630
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2775853
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3286076

Do you even know what the roster looked like during the '08 season?

High impact LeBron got anally raped in his first 2 Finals. Wade? Averaged 32/7/5/2/1 on 50% shooting in his first 2 Finals and won a ring and FMVP. So much for the high impact play that led to an EMBARRASSING and downright HUMILIATING sweep for LeBron.

Shaq had a higher impact than Wade in '05, right? How did he fare in the PO's when Wade went down with an injury?

Dat ether.

[Magic 32]

Wrong again.

Stats are wrong?

[Bigsmoke]

LeBron was 22. you expected him to beat a team that won 2 championships over the last 4 years with the cast he had with Mike Brown as his coach?

[TheMarkMadsen]

LeBron was 22. you expected him to beat a team that won 2 championships over the last 4 years with the cast he had with Mike Brown as his coach?

last 2 games decided by combined 4 points with Lebron playing horribly

last two games were at home for the cavs too

[Bigsmoke]

LeBron did repeat, in 2012 and 13', while leading his team in 4 of the 5 major stat categories each Finals and getting both FMVP's


And u can argue that Wade was every bit worse in that 2014 Finals than LeBron's 2011 one

[dubeta]

last 2 games decided by combined 4 points with Lebron playing horribly

last two games were at home for the cavs too

LeBron mustve been the GOAT to keep them within 4 points with a completely shit supporting cast, he wasnt efficient but LeBrons playmaking and aggressiveness was key in keeping it close.

Meanwhile Kobe with a better supporting cast couldnt even get past the 1st round that year :oldlol:

[aj1987]

And u can argue that Wade was every bit worse in that 2014 Finals than LeBron's 2011 one
LeBron was in his PRIME. Wade wasn't.

[Bigsmoke]

last 2 games decided by combined 4 points with Lebron playing horribly

last two games were at home for the cavs too

The Spurs were more experienced, better offensive plays, and had more scoring options.

All the Cabs had was homecourt

[dubeta]

And u can argue that Wade was every bit worse in that 2014 Finals than LeBron's 2011 one

This is true. Heck LeBrons 18/7/7 is better than most of Wades playoff series from 2012-2014, 18/7/7 on 47% wouldve been a GREAT series for Wade, but for LeBron its considered pedestrian :oldlol:


LeBrons chokes = Wades dream playoff performance


Cant be compared as players just not on the same level.

[Bigsmoke]

LeBron was in his PRIME. Wade wasn't.

Wade took almost half the 2014 season off and still lookedsluggish in the finals.

And if we are talking aboit LeBron in his prime then why is 2007 is being discusssed?

[Ancient Legend]

If LeBron choked in 2011, we can all agree that Mavs championship was a fluke run. I say this because people complain they don't get enough credit for winning that year. Either the Heat choked or the Mavs were very good.

The 2007 Spurs were heavily favored to rout the Cavs. Even if Phoenix had beaten the Spurs they would also have been favorites.

[PsychoBe]

Wade took almost half the 2014 season off and still lookedsluggish in the finals.

And if we are talking aboit LeBron in his prime then why is 2007 is being discusssed?

because he choked on the biggest stage and turned into the frozen one.

[MJistheGOAT]

If LeBron choked in 2011, we can all agree that Mavs championship was a fluke run. I say this because people complain they don't get enough credit for winning that year. Either the Heat choked or the Mavs were very good.

Both, still should have been Heat win.
Heat didn`t choke, Lebron did it.

[Stringer Bell]

Seriously?

Obviously 2011.

[Bigsmoke]

because he choked on the biggest stage and turned into the frozen one.
At least the Heat won the next year.

Kobe played so bad in that 2004 Finals that Shaq left.

[TheMarkMadsen]

The Spurs were more experienced, better offensive plays, and had more scoring options.

All the Cabs had was homecourt

The last game was decided by a single point and Lebron went 10-30 for 24 points.. you can't sit here and act like the cavs were going to lose regardless of lebrons performance..

they had chances to win in each of the last two games even with lebron playing poorly, if he would have just played to his averaged in the post season 25/7/7 on 41%.. they probably could have stolen two games and made game 5 a must win for the spurs..

[TheMarkMadsen]

At least the Heat won the next year.

Kobe played so bad in that 2004 that Shaq left.

worked out well for Kobe

[Magic 32]

LeBron was 22. you expected him to beat a team that won 2 championships over the last 4 years with the cast he had with Mike Brown as his coach?

Kobe was 22 when he played the Pacers.

At least he had one good game (G4).

And he was playing on a sprained ankle.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe was 22 when he played the Pacers.

At least he had one good game (G4).

And he was playing on a sprained ankle.

Kobe was 21 when he played the Pacers

at 22 he dominated the playoffs

[Bigsmoke]

Kobe was 21 when he played the Pacers

at 22 he dominated the playoffs

Kobe didn't really dominate in the Finals.

His FG% was similar to Iverson's


http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2000/nba_finals_stats.html

[MJistheGOAT]

Kobe was 21 when he played the Pacers

at 22 he dominated the playoffs

At 24 he choke against the pistons with a Shaq/Payton/Malone/Kobe core.
At 25 he missed the playoffs
At 26 he choke a 3-1 lead against Suns
At 27 he got raped by Suns

[dubeta]

Kobe didn't really dominate in the Finals.

His FG% was similar to Iverson's


http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2000/nba_finals_stats.html

Dw the dude was trolling, it was a giveaway.

Kobe and 'dominate' can only make sense in a off-the court hotel room setting, especially not in the finals

[aj1987]

Wade took almost half the 2014 season off and still lookedsluggish in the finals.

And if we are talking aboit LeBron in his prime then why is 2007 is being discusssed?
Dude's prime basically started when the turned 21. He has been a BEAST since forever.

Sure, he took about a thrid (not half) of the season off. He did choke and fail in the Finals. I never denied that.

Again, are you insinuating that '14 Wade = '07 LeBron?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Kobe was 22 when he played the Pacers.

At least he had one good game (G4).

And he was playing on a sprained ankle.

Yeah, because the 2000 Pacers = the 2007 Spurs. :rolleyes:

He was still outperformed by Shaq in that Game 4 and generally played like shit through the series, scoring less than 15 points in 3/5 games played and scoring 26 points on 30% shooting in one of the remaining two. One good game out of 5, that ring happened because of Shaq.

[Bigsmoke]

Dude's prime basically started when the turned 21. He has been a BEAST since forever.

Sure, he took about a thrid (not half) of the season off. He did choke and fail in the Finals. I never denied that.

Again, are you insinuating that '14 Wade = '07 LeBron?

He had no post game back in 2007, he could barely shoot, that was his 2nd year ever in the playoffs.

Im hoping your warming up for 420 but u can't be sober dropping this garbage

[MJistheGOAT]

Yeah, because the 2000 Pacers = the 2007 Spurs. :rolleyes:

He was still outperformed by Shaq in that Game 4 and generally played like shit through the series, scoring less than 15 points in 3/5 games played and scoring 26 points on 30% shooting in one of the remaining two. One good game out of 5, that ring happened because of Shaq.

As the 01 and 02 ones.
Lakers without Shaq = ringless
Lakers without Kobe = 3peat

[kamil]

07 is underrated..

the Cavs lost the last 2 games at home by a combined 4 points..

while Lebron went 10-30 in the final game for 24 points and played like shit the game before as well

He shot 32/90 for the entire series, essentially shooting 35%. That's pretty embarrassing for what people still think he's the GOAT... lulz.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

As the 01 and 02 ones.
Lakers without Shaq = ringless
Lakers without Kobe = 3peat

I agree, I just tried to stick to the horrible point he attempted to make rather than looking beyond it. :oldlol:

[Magic 32]

Yeah, because the 2000 Pacers = the 2007 Spurs. :rolleyes:

He was still outperformed by Shaq in that Game 4 and generally played like shit through the series, scoring less than 15 points in 3/5 games played and scoring 26 points on 30% shooting in one of the remaining two. One good game out of 5, that ring happened because of Shaq.

2007 Spurs are overated.

Should have lost to the Suns and one year away from total destruction (by some guy with 24 on his back).

And getting Jalen Rose'd would have sent Lebron into a coma at 21.

[Magic 32]

Kobe didn't really dominate in the Finals.

His FG% was similar to Iverson's


http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2000/nba_finals_stats.html

Well, game 1 drags the whole series down.

There was like a 10 day break after the WCF. He was completely out of sync.

27 ppg, 9 rpg, 6 apg, 44 FG% after game 1. Lakers backdoor sweeps.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

2007 Spurs are overated.

Should have lost to the Suns and one year away from total destruction (by some guy with 24 on hos back).

And getting Jalen Rose'd would have sent Lebron into a coma at 21.

http://i.giphy.com/O5NyCibf93upy.gif

[Magic 32]

http://i.giphy.com/O5NyCibf93upy.gif

http://www.urbanoptiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Amare-Stoudemire-RVS-By-V-Eyewear-RVS-Noah-Eyeglass.png

[dubeta]

Kobe wouldnt have even made the playoffs with lebrons 2007 Cavs.


Makes the 2005-2007 Lakers look like the dream team, a team that Kobe struggled to even make the playoffs with.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

http://www.urbanoptiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Amare-Stoudemire-RVS-By-V-Eyewear-RVS-Noah-Eyeglass.png

I feel like you meant to post a gif but you're bad at it. If an image was the best you could do then I feel sad for you.

Either way I stay winning.

http://media.tumblr.com/e16dd16f4de841b391f118f72714a54e/tumblr_inline_nbat9kBEXc1satqni.gif

[Magic 32]

I feel like you meant to post a gif

There is no gif of Amare looking mad.

And you got the point...so who won again?

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/4558397/horry-vs-nash-o.gif

[Bigsmoke]

2007 Spurs are overated.

Should have lost to the Suns and one year away from total destruction (by some guy with 24 on his back).

And getting Jalen Rose'd would have sent Lebron into a coma at 21.

The 07 Spurs had the whole repertoire. A superstar, 2 other All Stars, veterans, youth, great coaching... What more do u want? Duncan was still a top 5 player in 2007. That spurs team was Much better than the Spurs that kicked the Lakers ass in 2003

[24-Inch_Chrome]

There is no gif of Amare looking mad.

And you got the point...so who won again?



That's why you pick a better gif. :confusedshrug:

If I stay winning, that implies a streak.

http://media.tumblr.com/e16dd16f4de841b391f118f72714a54e/tumblr_inline_nbat9kBEXc1satqni.gif

[Magic 32]

The 07 Spurs had the whole repertoire. Much better than the Spurs that kicked the Lakers ass in 2003

Not much an achievement.

The 2003 Spurs is another overrated team.

Worn down lakers, Dirk injured. And somehow allowed the Nets to win two games.

[Magic 32]

That's why you pick a better gif. :confusedshrug:

If I stay winning, that implies a streak.

http://media.tumblr.com/e16dd16f4de841b391f118f72714a54e/tumblr_inline_nbat9kBEXc1satqni.gif

All you need now is to be intelligible.

[Bigsmoke]

Not much an achievement.

The 2003 Spurs is another overrated team.

Worn down lakers, Dirk injured. And somehow alloed the Nets to win two games.

The only time the Lakers played a team that was as good as the 07 Spurs in the Finals were the 08 Celtics..... I wonder who won...:lol

[aj1987]

He had no post game back in 2007, he could barely shoot, that was his 2nd year ever in the playoffs.

Im hoping your warming up for 420 but u can't be sober dropping this garbage
He had no post game in '09 and '10 either. His jumper was inconsistent AF as well. Those were not his prime years? You're just pissed that your idol sucked ass in the '07 Finals, I'm assuming.

Lets look at some stats, shall we?

LeBron in the RS:

27.3 PPG 6.7 RPG 6.0 APG 1.6 SPG 0.7 BPG 3.2 TOV/G on 55.2% TS

LeBron in the first 3 rounds:

25.8 PPG 8.3 RPG 8.3 APG 1.9 SPG 0.9 BPG 2.7 TOV/G on 54% TS

LeBron in the Finals:

22 PPG 7.0 RPG 6.8 APG 1 SPG 0.5 BPG 5.8 TOV/G on 42.8% TS

Saying that he wasn't in his prime and that's why he underperformed is a BS excuse.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

All you need now is to be intelligible.

Intelligible: able to be understood; comprehensible.

Did you mean intelligent? Because that's the only way that can be used as an insult, intelligible would suggest something else: that you don't understand English. :confusedshrug:

http://media.tumblr.com/e16dd16f4de841b391f118f72714a54e/tumblr_inline_nbat9kBEXc1satqni.gif

[Magic 32]

The only time the Lakers played a team that was as good as the 07 Spus in the Finals were the 08 Celtics..... I wonder who won...:lol

08 Celtics would wipe the floor with 07 Spurs.

0-2 against the Spurs in 07/08. Same thing would have happpend in 07.

[Magic 32]

Intelligible: able to be understood; comprehensible.


That's right. Please try harder with those pesky little words.

[Bigsmoke]

He had no post game in '09 and '10 either. His jumper was inconsistent AF as well. Those were not his prime years? You're just pissed that your idol sucked ass in the '07 Finals, I'm assuming.

Lets look at some stats, shall we?

LeBron in the RS:

27.3 PPG 6.7 RPG 6.0 APG 1.6 SPG 0.7 BPG 3.2 TOV/G on 55.2% TS

LeBron in the first 3 rounds:

25.8 PPG 8.3 RPG 8.3 APG 1.9 SPG 0.9 BPG 2.7 TOV/G on 54% TS

LeBron in the Finals:

22 PPG 7.0 RPG 6.8 APG 1 SPG 0.5 BPG 5.8 TOV/G on 42.8% TS

Saying that he wasn't in his prime and that's why he underperformed is a BS excuse.


The word is competition.


U didn't just telling me LBJ should do well against the Spurs because he did well against the Wizards and nets?:biggums:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

That's right. Please try harder with those words.

Please stop taking all these Ls, there's no way you can carry them all at once.

[Magic 32]

Please stop taking all these Ls, there's no way you can carry them all at once.

Is this how you make your way through life?

Celebrating non-victories?

Ghetto indeed.

[aj1987]

The word is competition.


U didn't just telling me LBJ should do well against the Spurs because he did well against the Wizards and nets?:biggums:
Are you trying to imply that LeBron was a garbage player who only played well against shitty opponents?

Dude averaged 27/8/5/2 on 54% TS with only 2.5 TOV/G (would've scored more if he didn't miss a ton of FT's) in two wins against the Spurs in the RS.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Is this how you make your way through life?

Celebrating non-victories?

Ghetto indeed.

http://i.imgur.com/u3twqwP.gif